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"owning people as property is always wrong" is controversial on this board
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Apr 8, 2024, 7:58 AM
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That's wild.
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Re: "owning people as property is always wrong" is controversial on this board
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Apr 8, 2024, 8:34 AM
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8 AM Monday morning
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lol, what's up with christians and wanting to moderate the P&R board?***
Apr 8, 2024, 8:46 AM
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Re: lol, what's up with christians and wanting to moderate the P&R board?***
Apr 8, 2024, 8:48 AM
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Who is trying to moderate the board?
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Re: lol, what's up with christians and wanting to moderate the P&R board?***
Apr 8, 2024, 8:52 AM
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acting as though the time at which i post something has anything to do with the content. I get it though, when you have to defend owning people as property you have to attack me and not the content.
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Re: lol, what's up with christians and wanting to moderate the P&R board?***
Apr 8, 2024, 9:06 AM
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It just seems like an odd thing to post, first thing in the morning. Were you dreaming about this post?
Carry on
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Re: lol, what's up with christians and wanting to moderate the P&R board?***
Apr 8, 2024, 9:16 AM
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It was a response to other posts.
>Carry on
I will thanks for more moderating instructions sir
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Re: lol, what's up with christians and wanting to moderate the P&R board?***
Apr 8, 2024, 9:22 AM
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Well then, have a cup of coffee. Try to enjoy your day. Make someone smile today. Don't stare at the eclipse.
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Re: lol, what's up with christians and wanting to moderate the P&R board?***
Apr 8, 2024, 9:23 AM
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right away sir, i'll try to figure out how messaging boards work, for some reason I thought we could all post what we wanted.
>Don't stare at the eclipse.
I'm not trump, don't worry
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Re: lol, what's up with christians and wanting to moderate the P&R board?***
Apr 8, 2024, 9:26 AM
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Have you not been able to post something?
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Re: lol, what's up with christians and wanting to moderate the P&R board?***
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Apr 8, 2024, 9:27 AM
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Have a great day P6fuller
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Re: lol, what's up with christians and wanting to moderate the P&R board?***
Apr 8, 2024, 9:29 AM
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Thanks - you too
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Re: "owning people as property is always wrong" is controversial on this board
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Apr 8, 2024, 8:40 AM
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You don’t understand context.
It’s ok. We know you’re not as smart as you think you are.
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lol, owning people as property is contextual
Apr 8, 2024, 8:45 AM
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- Big Dog
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Re: lol, owning people as property is contextual
Apr 8, 2024, 9:00 AM
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Everything is contextual.
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Re: lol, owning people as property is contextual
Apr 8, 2024, 9:01 AM
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Contextualize sexual assault for me please
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Re: lol, owning people as property is contextual
Apr 8, 2024, 9:06 AM
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Sexual assault has never been legal in any society.
Stupid comparison.
Like ive said multiple times, it’s great that slavery is not a part of society for the most part anymore.
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Re: lol, owning people as property is contextual
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Apr 8, 2024, 9:21 AM
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>Sexual assault has never been legal in any society.
Might want to check on that one:
Numbers 31
"""17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man."
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Re: lol, owning people as property is contextual
Apr 8, 2024, 10:21 AM
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You know, I'm just going to call your assertion for what it is - Stupid.
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Re: lol, owning people as property is contextual
Apr 8, 2024, 10:34 AM
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I would too if i was defending owning people as property or sexual slaves.
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Folks in this world do a lot of things I think is wrong.
Apr 9, 2024, 7:04 AM
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As I said, I wouldn't own another person and though I believe it's morally wrong I have several other reasons for my position on slavery.
In our most recent past, industry used paid labor as slaves. A mill which houses it's employees, gives them a wage just enough to get by and all of it was spent at the country store allowing the mill owner(s) to profit on every penny the employees spent was a form of slavery.
Mill workers were some of the nicest and happiest people on earth. They had the security of a job which allowed them to feed their families, provide a place to live and a secure life.
Since I have your undivided attention I'd like to bring the focus on the Christians who filled the rolls of the first Churches.
As recorded the first Christians sold all their possessions to feed the poor and church widows. If they had slave they couldn't afford to feed them anymore. The record shows that none of the apostles had slaves. One Greek convert had a runaway slave which was born again and found the apostle Paul.
Paul sent him back to 'Philemon,' his owner, with explicit instructions to 'treat him as a brother.'
"10 I beseech thee for my son Onesimus, whom I have begotten in my bonds:
11 Which in time past was to thee unprofitable, but now profitable to thee and to me:
12 Whom I have sent again: thou therefore receive him, that is, mine own bowels:
13 Whom I would have retained with me, that in thy stead he might have ministered unto me in the bonds of the gospel:
14 But without thy mind would I do nothing; that thy benefit should not be as it were of necessity, but willingly.
15 For perhaps he therefore departed for a season, that thou shouldest receive him for ever;
16 Not now as a servant, but above a servant, a brother beloved, specially to me, but how much more unto thee, both in the flesh, and in the Lord?
17 If thou count me therefore a partner, receive him as myself.
18 If he hath wronged thee, or oweth thee ought, put that on mine account;
19 I Paul have written it with mine own hand, I will repay it: albeit I do not say to thee how thou owest unto me even thine own self besides."
Paul seldom wrote and probably had someone to read to him because he was going blind. He wrote this with 'his own hand,' to ensure that Philemon got the message. That is profound.
So slavery was diminished in the church and became less than whips, starvation, selling children and all the horrible things which are highlighted in our recent rewrites of American History. I said 'highlighted,' not fabricated so don't accuse me of dismissing or ignoring the horrors.
What horrifies me most about American slavery was the fact that slaves, historically, were forbidden to teach, learn or practice reading and writing. Historically, that had done more damage to the descendants of slavery than anything done since.
From my position, I am delighted that our nation no longer allows slavery but I am greatly depressed over our inability or unwillingness to stop the import of human slaves.
If you shoot off another of your post which dismisses everything I've said rather than recognizing that I'm entertaining your position without seeking conflict our relationship will be ended. I will quit replying to you. If that doesn't bother you then please, have at it.
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Re: Folks in this world do a lot of things I think is wrong.
Apr 9, 2024, 7:06 AM
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The entire claim is that the bible endorsed chattel slavery, which is seems like you do not disagree with. That was the only point.
You keep telling me what you wouldn't do, which is great, but not the point of the discussion
>If you shoot off another of your post which dismisses everything I've said rather than recognizing that I'm entertaining your position without seeking conflict our relationship will be ended. I will quit replying to you. If that doesn't bother you then please, have at it.
Yet another moderator, do whatever you'd like, I do not care.
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The discussion is whatever I have to contribute if I'm still welcome to...
Apr 9, 2024, 8:02 AM
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participate. By 'saying I wouldn't do it,' I'm saying that it's morally wrong. I wouldn't do homosexual acts but I'm not condemning those who do or did. I am not allowed to judge. I try to be careful because it's a reflection of my pride which both I and My God condemn.
I was not avoiding your question. That was my personal testimony to how I view slavery. If you were a bit more objective you would have recognized it.
There's a long list of things which I consider sinful and openly condemn but you'll find scarce the times I've condemned another man, past, present or future.
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Re: The discussion is whatever I have to contribute if I'm still welcome to...
Apr 9, 2024, 8:11 AM
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So how do you reconcile the fact that the bible condoned something you agree is morally wrong?
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This is a matter of you having read and heard people rather than reading the...
Apr 9, 2024, 8:55 AM
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the Bible enough to remember what God said about slavery. He allowed the COI to become slaves willingly as when Jacob worked for Laban in order to get his blessing to marry Rachel. Otherwise there I remember no record of God instructing Israel to enslave anyone.
As previously said, 'Kill them all and I'll sort them out,' when He spoke to Joshua regarding controlling the land of Canaan. God provided no avenue for slavery otherwise that I know of.
All those people were judged by God as unworthy of life. That is His prerogative. HE IS GOD.
God allowed things without approving them. That was under a different covenant. He allowed divorce because Moses struggled with men who married who they thought were virgins but turned out to be ######. Yes, I said ######. It was the same with slavery, He allowed it but He never endorced the practice.
It wasn't because He was so against slavery; it was because the idols of the pagans were introduced into Israel. He is very jealous of His children and our relationship with the godless around us.
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Re: This is a matter of you having read and heard people rather than reading the...
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Apr 9, 2024, 9:13 AM
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>This is a matter of you having read and heard people rather than reading he Bible enough to remember what God said about slavery.
Except for the fact that I literally did read it, and showed the passages, so a blatant lie by you again.
>Otherwise there I remember no record of God instructing Israel to enslave anyone.
Huh, well maybe you should read it instead of relying on your memory.
>All those people were judged by God as unworthy of life. That is His prerogative. HE IS GOD.
No, that's what some dbag man wrote down. There is not verifiable evidence god said this. You say it's god and when asked, you point to another person saying it's god, that's literally all the evidence you have of "god saying it".
>God allowed things without approving them. That was under a different covenant.
Sounds pretty capricious to me and That is a distinction without a difference. I "let" my kid harm animals, but I don't "approve it" would be psychotic.
>He allowed divorce because Moses struggled with men who married who they thought were virgins but turned out to be ######. Yes, I said ######. It was the same with slavery, He allowed it but He never endorced the practice.
Wow, religion is gross. And it makes people say gross things like that.
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