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All-In [46825]
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Copy Pasta: Is the FBI actually against Trump?
Mar 6, 2018, 12:03 PM
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By late summer 2016, elements of the FBI's New York field office were actively working to elect Trump. They were providing Rudy Giuliani and others on the right with inside information, and they were also likely the source behind NYT's now-infamous article claiming the FBI had investigated Trump's contacts with Russia and found nothing. The rumor has long been that Comey felt forced to disclose that the Clinton investigation had been reopened, because he knew that if he didn't the information would leak through the NY office, which would create the impression of a cover-up. And, indeed, Rudy Giuliani had foreknowledge that the investigation had been reopened and was teasing it to sympathetic media.
That's where things get sticky. Assuming Comey really had no choice but to disclose about the Clinton investigation, should he have also disclosed the existence of the Trump investigation, even though doing so would have been against FBI policy, in some sort of attempt to balance the scales? I'm sympathetic to the idea that this would have amounted to playing politics, which Comey says he genuinely considered anathema to his responsibility as FBI Director. Personally, I think Comey's first misstep was in injecting politics into his briefing at the conclusion of the original Clinton investigation, in which rather than following norms and simply reporting that the FBI's investigation did not support bringing charges against Clinton, he chose to do the right's job for them and opine about the recklessness, but not criminality, of her conduct. It was inappropriate, and it was the first sign of bad things to come.
Ultimately, though, I think Obama has to own responsibility for a lot of this. Yes, he was placed in an impossible situation. Mitch McConnell was openly working against attempts to protect America from Russia's attack on our election, threatening to accuse Obama of using the intelligence community to help Clinton if he went public with the reality that Russia was interfering in our election to help Trump. Given the general political climate at the time, it's anyone's guess what sort of insanity that would have resulted in. But POTUS' job is to make impossible decisions, and in this instance Obama made the wrong one. He didn't do enough to counter Russia's attacks. We've been paying the price for that ever since, and we have a long way to go yet until our debt is settled.
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lutz, where did you get that trash from?***
Mar 6, 2018, 12:09 PM
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doesn't fit personal narrative = trash
Mar 6, 2018, 12:30 PM
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I bet if somebody wrote the same fan fiction from the other side of the fence, you'd be all "guys, this probably has some merit, but the media won't ever tell us the truth, so we'll never know."
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You dogemphis for conspiracy theories? Lol***
Mar 6, 2018, 1:28 PM
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I don't think his response had anything to do with
Mar 6, 2018, 1:37 PM
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Memphis.
He was making fun of you - the Lounge's resident TDS* member.
*Trump Dink Sucker
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hahahahahahah
Mar 6, 2018, 2:06 PM
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dink.
no, that post was conspiracy worthy.
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Re: hahahahahahah
Mar 6, 2018, 3:57 PM
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this coming from the guy that was linking stories about Clinton having Parkinson's
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You insinuated earlier that you bought into...
Mar 6, 2018, 2:13 PM
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The conspiracy theories of the Parkland school shooting. You'll believe any narrative that fits your ideology.
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They paid for the fake Steele dossier to derail his campaign
Mar 6, 2018, 12:33 PM
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That's enough for me
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Re: They paid for the fake Steele dossier to derail his campaign
Mar 6, 2018, 3:28 PM
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So you think they paid for a dossier to undermine his campaign and then waited until two months after the election to leak its existence?
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Re: They paid for the fake Steele dossier to derail his campaign
Mar 6, 2018, 4:34 PM
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So you think they paid for a dossier to undermine his campaign and then waited until two months after the election to leak its existence?
Why do you call the Steele dossier fake? Because Trump does, or Fox News?
That fact is that nothing in the dossier has been factually disproven. As a matter of fact, much of it has been corroborated.
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i'm still confused on this whole thing
Mar 6, 2018, 2:05 PM
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if americans are dumb enough to believe everything that they see on social media and the russians exploited that, is that really a crime?
it's not like they paid people to vote a certain way
they didn't alter ballots
whether it's ethically/morally right or wrong is a totally different discussion.
we use attack ads all day every day in politics domestically
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Most Amricans are dumb enough to believe articles they...
Mar 6, 2018, 2:14 PM
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read online. Moreover, it just takes a good chunk to swing a vote. They don't even have to be dumb, but they may just have odd outlooks. Look at the nonsense Memphis believes and falls for.
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Re: i'm still confused on this whole thing
Mar 6, 2018, 4:27 PM
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if americans are dumb enough to believe everything that they see on social media and the russians exploited that, is that really a crime?
it's not like they paid people to vote a certain way
they didn't alter ballots
whether it's ethically/morally right or wrong is a totally different discussion.
we use attack ads all day every day in politics domestically
So you think it's ok for a hostile foreign power to manipulate American's and interfere with our democracy?
You have to remember, this wasn't an honest fact vs fact endeavor. They sent agents to this country, used social media and other platforms to manipulate American's for their own purposes. That is no bueno. It's called an attack.
To put it another way, I can say anything to my brothers that I want. But you can't.
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Of course not. If you did a poll of every law enforcement
Mar 6, 2018, 3:48 PM
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agency, in every state in the union, Hillary would not carry any.
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Re: Copy Pasta: Is the FBI actually against Trump?
Mar 6, 2018, 4:08 PM
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Most of this is substantiated by multiple reports. I suspect one of the big cataylsts for the right's anti-FBI obsession were these stories leaking after the election.
And I agree with you about Obama, but at the time the biggest threat was electing Trump and imagine his regret if it had been his decision to bring this public that got Trump elected. Obama apparently spread information out across departments to make it harder for Trump to cover his tracks and make an eventual investigation easier, so there's that.
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