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Ring of Honor [22313]
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What some of T-Net want Dabo to say to the press
Nov 29, 2022, 12:28 PM
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"I have no idea why we recruited him. He's a total bust. He better be glad he's getting a degree so he's not serving fries with a burger. But he's a great guy!"
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They deserve to know...
Nov 29, 2022, 12:29 PM
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because fans.
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Re: They deserve to know...
Nov 29, 2022, 1:33 PM
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The only things fans “deserve” is admission to the game when you have paid for your ticket. Anything more is literally the definition of entitlement.
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Head Coach [948]
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Re: They deserve to know...
Nov 29, 2022, 1:52 PM
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Couldnt disagree more. My donations and tuition help fund the university and my ticket purchases fund football. Without fan support the progran loses funding, the stadium loses the energy, recruits go elsewhere, etc. Expecting more from the coach and program doesnt make fans entitled.
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Expecting the coach to tell you in public
Nov 29, 2022, 1:58 PM
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what should be discussed and decided in private makes you oblivious on how to manage an organization and people
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Re: Expecting the coach to tell you in public
Nov 29, 2022, 7:31 PM
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Seems like an unnecessarily harsh statement. My point is simply football is a business. Like any stakeholder who posses both a degree and donates to the university I expect my investment to adapt and change when the product become inferior. I support Dabo, I support the program, but that does not mean that either is infallible or without needing to make changes.
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Re: Expecting the coach to tell you in public
Nov 29, 2022, 7:33 PM
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...and yes, I do not believe in airing dirty laundry or publicly degarding your personnel. Managing people is a tough gig. I just want to see devolpment and changes where and when necessary.
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Re: Expecting the coach to tell you in public
Nov 29, 2022, 7:34 PM
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*degrading
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Re: They deserve to know...
Nov 29, 2022, 2:28 PM
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We will probably agree to disagree, but with that logic does Bojangles have a right to demand Dabo or Neff to come to their boardroom and answer their questions about hires and play calling and who plays and doesn’t play? My thought is no, they are putting a lot of funding into the university for the right to put their name on the scoreboard and be a sponsor and if they don’t like the product they are not entitled to any explanation, but they can take their sponsorship elsewhere. Fans and boosters have the same prerogative but are not owed anything more than a sponsor would be.
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Orange Blooded [2102]
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Not quite. Sponsors are buying visibility with fans.
Nov 29, 2022, 9:17 PM
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Their main thing isn't on field success. Boosters are paying for an on field product. So they have the right to some level of explanation.
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Re: They deserve to know...
Nov 29, 2022, 1:56 PM
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Yeah, #### the fans!! They contribute nothing!!!!
Don’t need em!
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Ring of Honor [22313]
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Yeah, you'd rather he #### the players and coaches
Nov 29, 2022, 1:59 PM
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So you can hear what you want to hear
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Re: Yeah, you'd rather he #### the players and coaches
Nov 29, 2022, 2:13 PM
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I have never wanted or asked Dabo or any other coach to #### over any players. Whenever he does get somewhat of a serious question, he has no issue calling out a Mukuba, a Collins, or a Murphy. Yet, we all see the elephant in the room and he nor Streeter will talk about how DJ is working on himself, improving himself, or how he performed in a bad game. No one calls him out. No one dares ask Dabo about play calling and why they go from something that is working during a game to calls/plays that contribute to a loss. What about special teams and those cute little tricks they did?
You just assume that everyone wants Dabo fired if they want him to answer some hard questions. That’s yours and other pumpers’ go-to in order to make yourself look like the perfect fan that you are….
The rest of us get talked down to and preached to by the likes of you and that girl fan Francis.
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Re: Yeah, you'd rather he #### the players and coaches
Nov 29, 2022, 2:41 PM
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Dabo has answered those questions. You just don't like the answer.
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Re: Yeah, you'd rather he #### the players and coaches
Nov 29, 2022, 3:34 PM
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He has gaslighted us for 2 years "aw shucks we won didnt we" for example when we squeak by a far inferior team We are adults what we want to hear Is we have problems, the buck stops here and everything is on the table to fix these problems Instead he attacks the fan base (you know the ones that pay his salary) for daring to question him
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CU Guru [1574]
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Re: Yeah, you'd rather he #### the players and coaches
Nov 29, 2022, 7:22 PM
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He has literally said each of those things you want him to say.
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Re: There is only one reason you want Dabo to say…
Nov 29, 2022, 3:36 PM
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Yeah, I shouldn’t have the right to come on a fan board and say that I disagree with how the coach is handling or saying things. I am selfish and a bad fan because I don’t agree with you and think you’re cute.
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You can disagree all you want…
Nov 29, 2022, 3:43 PM
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You don’t have the right to have a head coach cater to your needs, that’s selfish.
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Solid Orange [1391]
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Re: They deserve to know...
Nov 29, 2022, 7:40 PM
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No, you buy tickets and seats and maybe parking, which are guaranteed. Every year, is there anything in your package that says “ this guarantees a super duper undefeated national championship perfect coached season again.”
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Re: They deserve to know...
Nov 29, 2022, 2:08 PM
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Don't fans buying tickets and merch help pay for the program and his salary
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Re: They deserve to know...
Nov 29, 2022, 2:56 PM
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So if I go out and buy a Lebron jersey can I tell him what to say? Please???
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Re: They deserve to know...
Nov 29, 2022, 3:07 PM
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If you don't think that the fans are a necessary part of the Tigers success, how many recruits would get if they came to a half empty stadium? And what we are "entitled to" is the best players and best coaching in the country! We had it before and now what do we have? A team that has coaches who don't have the guts to say they are not coaching or developing players up to Clemson Standards. Easy to say it's someone else's fault.
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Ring of Honor [22313]
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You're not entitled to anything
Nov 29, 2022, 3:47 PM
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Good grief! Let's fire Dabo and hire Saban. Oh wait, he's 10-2 as well. Let's hire Kirby!
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Re: What some of T-Net want Dabo to say to the press
Nov 29, 2022, 12:30 PM
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You know better than that.
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Nope, all we want is
Nov 29, 2022, 12:33 PM
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"We are opening up competition at many positions this week. The ACCCG is a huge game for our season and we plan to play both QBs and stick with the one that is most successful."
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So after 12 games
Nov 29, 2022, 12:37 PM
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you make it spring practice with 6 days to prep and no contact drills?
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Re: So after 12 games
Nov 29, 2022, 12:42 PM
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No... the honest answer is a lot of people have known that DJ didn't really have it for a while now.
We didn't look fantastic early in the season when we had 'good DJ'... then he went off the rails against 'Cuse THAT was probably the time to make the switch. At least to give Cade 2 weeks to prep and a full game against ND and then we would know.
Dabo didn't, for whatever reason and the truth is none of us really know. Perhaps it is because it's more than DJ (certainly true), perhaps it's because Cade really isn't ready (again who knows as we haven't seen much from the kid), perhaps he's sticking it to all the blowhards on tigernet (almost certainly NOT true).
So yeah, now we're kind of stuck and DJ's in his head.
But the time to deal with this was earlier in the season.
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Re: So after 12 games
Nov 29, 2022, 12:47 PM
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Re: So after 12 games
Nov 29, 2022, 12:52 PM
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Oh I agree he was better than last year, but that's damning by faint praise.
And yeah, a lot of announcers were over the moon about him etc... but even winning wasn't the 'blow out 27 points in the first half and put in the backups' like we've been accustomed to. Hence Cade not really getting all that much work in the early season because the games were always... KINDA too close for that.
I'm not saying he hasn't improved this season, clearly he has. But we never looked like we were on the way to being a great offense unless we were playing lesser schools (and heck... even Furman was giving us a game for a bit) or completely broken ones (Louisville and Miami). Even BC was what? 7-0 at the half?
And now it's off the rails and we haven't really prepped for it. Too late now methinks.
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Re: So after 12 games
Nov 29, 2022, 12:59 PM
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Re: So after 12 games
Nov 29, 2022, 1:20 PM
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I don't know that we're supposed to do that per se... just that's what we USED to do. So when we're bothered at the offensive falloff, we look back at what we used to do... and that was our MO. We would get a nearly insurmountable lead, then put in backups to a) get them work and b) spell the starters.
We haven't been able to do that this year... so Cade hasn't gotten organic work in games allowing up to see what he can do. So at SOME point... if the switch was going to be made it was going to have to be 'Let's put Cade in and see what we got' moreso than in '18 when we would put Trevor in and the offense would take off and things were more out in the open.
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The issue is not that Dabo does not recognize DJ's shortcomings
Nov 29, 2022, 1:05 PM
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it's that right now, the true freshman has more.
Thankfully, freshmen become sophomores, and have learned, as they should, as rookies
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Re: The issue is not that Dabo does not recognize DJ's shortcomings
Nov 29, 2022, 1:16 PM
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And that very well may be true.
But I don't think we have enough data to make an objective call.
Cade has been put in and pulled at seemingly random intervals this season.
Do we really KNOW how he would perform if given a weeks prep with the 1's and told he was going to get a game? I would say no.
I think the disconnect, really, between the two 'sides' (if you want to call them that) comes down to trust in Dabo.
One side trusts that if Cade was really better that Dabo would be putting him in.
The other side doesn't.
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The data***
Nov 29, 2022, 1:24 PM
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Is gathered by coaches in practice and meetings
Nov 29, 2022, 1:24 PM
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which we have zero access too
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Re: Is gathered by coaches in practice and meetings
Nov 29, 2022, 1:29 PM
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Agreed.
That's why I said it comes down to trust.
If you trust Dabo, then you think DJ is our best option... no matter how bad that looks.
If you do not, then you think he's sticking with DJ for.... well you're not really sure why he's sticking with DJ but it's really hard to see how Cade could be WORSE than 8-29.
*shrugs*
I actually think (and said as much last year) that putting a backup in for a full game or two would HELP DJ. If our offense stays in the toilet then at least the fans can go 'Huh... well, it's not JUST him' and focus on a more holistic approach.
But because they won't do that, last year OR this, DJ becomes the focus.
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And that's the thing
Nov 29, 2022, 2:12 PM
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The most successful coach we've ever had, and one if the most successful in college football history, isn't trusted to make the best decisions to put us in a position to win by some of our "fans"
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Re: And that's the thing
Nov 29, 2022, 3:36 PM
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have you watched anyof our games the last 2 years ?
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Re: Is gathered by coaches in practice and meetings
Nov 29, 2022, 3:56 PM
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Not intentionally, no.
At least I don't have any reason to think that.
But there's a fine line between 'determined' and 'stubborn'.
What he may see as 'sticking by his guy' in keeping DJ in, can be seen by those of us with a bit more of a detached perspective as 'stubbornly keeping this guy in when he's not performing and driving our offense into the ground for two years'.
Add to that, he's been extraordinarily successful doing it 'his way'.
Add to THAT, he's got a young staff that are all pretty much connected to him in some way.
So... who will be the one to step up and say 'Hey coach? Yeah, this ain't working.' and have the gravitas to make it stick?
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Re: Is gathered by coaches in practice and meetings
Nov 29, 2022, 2:43 PM
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I enjoy your post so I hate to respond negatively, but here goes. You are correct, the data is in the locker room with the coaches. So when you say the freshman has more shortcomings than DJ, it's just as much of a guess as saying Cade will do better than DJ. However, when Dabo was asked about Cade's progression he said, "Doing good. Doing really good." It's hard to wrap you mind around how Cade could be worse. It's just all really confusing, especially when you add in the attitudes that come with questions about DJ. It's one thing to say DJ is better at this point than Cade, it's another to get upset and say DJ is doing fine and blame everything around him. Fans have eyes too. A lot of them actually know the game pretty well. We know DJ is not good, no matter what is going on around him. I want to trust Dabo and he has definitely earned that respect, but he's been a tad mysterious lately with the way he's acting. By no means is this a 'Fire Dabo' post. That shouldn't even be considered.
Personally, I feel that Dabo HAS to start and play DJ now. If he were to put Cade in and he does well, Dabo would have A LOT of questions he won't want to answer.
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Watching Dabo for 13 years
Nov 29, 2022, 3:52 PM
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do you really expect him to come out and say Cade is not where he'll get to one day in order to be the starter. Dabo is always going to spin things positively, that's who he is.
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Re: After 8/29 99?
Nov 29, 2022, 1:22 PM
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Also, were you griping when Dabo put Cade in during the ‘Cuse game with 0 minutes preparation?
Just goes to show how ludicrous that argument is.
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Down in the game, different situations totally
Nov 29, 2022, 1:28 PM
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now ask yourself, what did they ask Cade to do in that game? If you answered hand off and run a couple of times, you're the winner!
Even 8-29, DJ could do that. That Syracuse game told us exactly where Cade is in his development, right where the majority of freshmen are
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Re: Down in the game, different situations totally
Nov 29, 2022, 1:50 PM
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Oh I remember a lazer 2pt pass to the back of the endzone across his body with the game on the line and still trailing....but you may not remember.
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Was a great play
Nov 29, 2022, 2:09 PM
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after a penalty that put us at the 8 I believe. You think we run that play from the 3?
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Of course not
Nov 29, 2022, 2:13 PM
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From the 3 it's probably a read with Cade keeping it around the end or Delayed qb draw. Either way, they trusted Cade with the ball in his hands needing a pass in the end zone and he got it done.
I'll also take you back to his very first drive against GT and some of the plays he made on that drive against a team that beat the team we will be facing in Charlotte Saturday night.
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Re: Down in the game, different situations totally
Nov 29, 2022, 11:10 PM
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Thats as much of an indictment on Streeter as Cade? It took the backup QB, only handing the ball off, to get any offensie production capable of beating Syracuse. I think DJU is an average QB but the scheme we ask of him and the offense in general is stale. Cade probably isnt ready but the fact that he won the game while being asked to do little more than hand the ball off should say something.
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Re: So after 12 games
Nov 29, 2022, 1:31 PM
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you make it spring practice with 6 days to prep and no contact drills?
Love your Tiger history and posts striperfan, but if you've watched most games this year (I know you have), especially SYR, ND and SC, you know any QB would be a wash compared to starter's play. Last year, with a slight improvement this year against the worst teams and worst defenses, our QB play has been among the worst rated in the nation. Coaching or player or both? I don't believe we have the answer to that. IMHO it's both.
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So if the backup has not shown he is better
Nov 29, 2022, 1:38 PM
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he should play anyway? We did that against Syracuse. We ran the ball all but 4 plays. Against ND we did it, terrible situation to put Cade in, he makes a freshman mistake, throws across his body into the middle of the field, INT.
So why not against the coots? Not down in the game until late. With DJ at QB for two years we've played conservatively. And we all, including the coaches can see why. Dabo did that. The D got the stop and they kicked to us. We would have been at midfield with 2 minutes left needing 15 yards. We could have run the ball. But, we fumbled.
When Case has come in it's been time be a spark when down. When leading, right or wrong, and this can be debated, Dabo played it conservatively.
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Re: Nope, all we want is
Nov 29, 2022, 1:23 PM
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I wouldn’t think there would be anyone on the planet that would trust “DJ is better than Cade” but there are a few of them.
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When you formulate opinions based on things
Nov 29, 2022, 1:31 PM
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you never see, how is your opinion trustworthy? Coaches see them every day
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Re: When you formulate opinions based on things
Nov 29, 2022, 1:37 PM
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I don't see the cook prep my food but I can tell you when dinner sucks.
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Maybe if you did, you could tell him what he's doing wrong
Nov 29, 2022, 1:41 PM
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Until then, especially if the cook is one of the best in the business, you trust him on how to cook the food
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Re: Maybe if you did, you could tell him what he's doing wrong
Nov 29, 2022, 1:57 PM
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That was snarky of me... but the point is this is a results oriented business. If you and I go out to eat, and the meal sucks we don't have to know WHY to have a very unsatisfactory experience.
Mores to the point, let's say we go out to a very fancy restaurant. 5 starts and a named chef... the works. And the meal comes out and it's just very obviously chef boyardee canned lasagna. And one of us says 'Hey, this isn't a 5* restaurant worthy meal! This is something I have in my pantry at home!', and the other says 'Don't be ridiculous, trust this famous chef!'. One of us is commenting on the results, the other is relying on the reputation of the chef that this meal is an anomaly.
Now let's say we revisit this same restaurant... oh I don't know, let's say 25 times. And maybe once or twice we get a good meal... but most of the time it's chef boyardee. At SOME point... the reputation of the chef isn't enough to justify the defense of all the bad meals.
It's not perfect but all analogies walk on three legs.
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Ring of Honor [22313]
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But you're assuming there is filet mignon in the frig
Nov 29, 2022, 2:17 PM
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we have a true freshman backup. We've played true freshmen at QB before, they were exceptions to what most freshmen are. If Cade were the better option he'd be playing. Dabo has never not done that. What makes us think he's doing that now? Especially 12 games in?
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Re: But you're assuming there is filet mignon in the frig
Nov 29, 2022, 2:26 PM
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I'm assuming nothing.
Cade may, in fact, not be the answer. But you give him a week's prep and let him play a full game and HE goes 7-29 and then we'll know. Right now we DON'T know. This is what leads to all the crazy speculation (Big Dave has blackmail, Dabo delt dirt to get DJ, DJ broke down in Dabo's office last year, Dabo is just stubborn and wants to stick it to tiger6 and prove him wrong!), we don't KNOW why he won't try Cade when DJ is obviously struggling.
But in the end, the fan difference comes down to this. Some people are still, after 25 visits, saying that canned lasagna is the best this chef can put on the table for us. Others are kinda tired of it and saying, okay... do you have ANYTHING ELSE back there in the kitchen that I can try? I know I don't like THIS.
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You wanted to do that with the playoffs still on the table?***
Nov 29, 2022, 4:34 PM
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Re: You wanted to do that with the playoffs still on the table?***
Nov 29, 2022, 4:57 PM
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Yeah.
But as the saying goes, 'Beware the advice of the man who risks nothing in the action'. So I might feel different if I were coaching there and had skin in the game.
Baked into that cake is that given our offense last and this year? I really didn't think we were good enough to be in the playoff. At least not with DJ as our QB.
Our offense with DJ, even when he's 'on', looks like an engine with the air/fuel mixture that's off. It's running... but it ain't smooth.
So I would rather find out about Cade and the future and see what we have there, because best case... BEST CASE scenario with this setup we squeak into the playoffs and get skulldragged by a complete team.
*shrugs*
At least that's how I see it.
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I have seen....
Nov 29, 2022, 1:52 PM
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Even in the handful of snaps Cade has had he has looked 10x more productive than what we have seen in recent weeks from DJU. DJU has regressed to 2021 effectiveness.
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I saw Elvis yesterday
Nov 29, 2022, 2:19 PM
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That doesn't make me a singer
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Re: I saw Elvis yesterday
Nov 29, 2022, 2:25 PM
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You don't have to attempt to be a singer to know when Elvis is off key.
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Re: What some of T-Net want Dabo to say to the press
Nov 29, 2022, 12:33 PM
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"I know what our weaknesses are in personnel and staff. I'm not going to advertise them publicly. Some I can work on while the season is still going on and some has to occur after the season is over. At the proper time I will inform you where we are. In the meantime keep supporting us"
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And that basically throws coaches and players under the bus
Nov 29, 2022, 12:36 PM
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"Y'all ain't good enough, so start thinking about where you'll be next year."
If he said what you suggested, how many are playing their butts off this Saturday?
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Dabo has thrown nearly every player under the bus this seaso
Nov 29, 2022, 12:38 PM
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not named DJ....
Give me a break...
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Examples please
Nov 29, 2022, 12:42 PM
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He called out Murphy...for loafing. If DJ were doing that I'd expect it.
Said Mukuba got beat deep twice. We have 4-6 DB's on any one play. We only have 1 QB, so when he says we missed throws, or didn't make the right read, or held onto the ball to long, or said that sack was on DJ, who do you think he's calling out?
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Re: Examples please
Nov 29, 2022, 1:25 PM
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He literally called out the wide receivers, safeties, mafah offensive line in defense of dj this past week.
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Ring of Honor [22313]
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You just said he said we missed passes
Nov 29, 2022, 1:44 PM
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who missed the passes? He is he "calling out," Potter?
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Re: And that basically throws coaches and players under the bus
Nov 29, 2022, 12:46 PM
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"Y'all ain't good enough, so start thinking about where you'll be next year."
If he said what you suggested, how many are playing their butts off this Saturday?
I like this too!
I think you would have some quit or transfer more likely.
Which; "fine by me"!
But, i.m.o Clemson's biggest opportunity isn't with personnel - it's with the people guiding the personnel. Particularly two particular spots on offense(OC and WR-coach). The, "y'all ain't good enough" part. The, I am going to have to make a move; because you do not win NC in today's cfb without explosive plays. Or having 100 yard receivers.
Or turning the ball over. It just doesn't happen.
So, sorry! I know people don't like this line or tone of conversation. Some would say, "what if your boss told you that"!
The thing is: "I would know well before my boss ever told me, I needed to pick it up, do something different, etc". I wouldn't need him to be in my buttocks to know it - b/c I can look in the mirror and critique myself. B/C like most people it's all about improving day over day! Year over year and so on.
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The issue isn't if your boss told you that
Nov 29, 2022, 1:08 PM
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it's did he tell everyone else that?
Why is that concept so difficult to understand?
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Re: What some of T-Net want Dabo to say to the press
Nov 29, 2022, 12:40 PM
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"I know what our weaknesses are in personnel and staff. I'm not going to advertise them publicly. Some I can work on while the season is still going on and some has to occur after the season is over. At the proper time I will inform you where we are. In the meantime keep supporting us"
Love this!
I think this about sums up where I am.
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You're on staff at a company who had a profitable year
Nov 29, 2022, 12:47 PM
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not the best in recent years, but profitable none the less. The CEO comes out at the annual company meeting and tells the shareholders, look, I know you didn't make as much money as last year. I know who the problems are. They will be dealt with. You want that?
Or would you prefer him coming to you in private and telling you, you need to improve your performance. I believe in you, now go do it.
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It's called managing people
Nov 29, 2022, 1:11 PM
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you want them to work hard for you, show them respect.
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I would argue that he's doing a poor job of managing
Nov 29, 2022, 2:13 PM
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people when questions about DJ are answered by over defending DJ and blaming everyone else for not doing their jobs.
Managing players well would mean that they are playing to their capability (which they are not) and working well together (which they are not).
We've played 12 games this year. That should be enough time to get on the same page. Instead, we have a horrible offense, and defensive players arguing with each other on the sidelines to the point of having to be separated.
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Ring of Honor [22313]
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What have y***
Nov 29, 2022, 2:20 PM
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Ring of Honor [22313]
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You managed
Nov 29, 2022, 2:24 PM
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Was DJ the reason we lost? Or was it a team effort? So the entire universe is pinning it on DJ instead of recognizing there were many reasons we lost. All he said was DJ wasn't the reason. Didn't say he played well. Didn't praise his performance.
When the entire universe is coming after one guy, you get in front of him and take the bullets. And yes, that's managing people. Its why people want to play and work for him
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Dabo is going out of his way to defend DJ.
Nov 29, 2022, 2:30 PM
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Well above and beyond what is appropriate.
For example, in a recent interview, a reporter asked Dabo if DJ will be the starter on Saturday against UNC. Dabo's response?
"Are you asking if DJ is the reason we lost the game?"
Seriously?
Dabo is overly defensive about DJ, and it's been obvious to pretty much everyone. He's going well beyond simply standing up for his players, and it's odd.
I say this as someone who believes DJ should be our starter. He hasn't had nearly as bad of a year as many fans suggest, and he certainly isn't the root of our problems on offense.
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Re: Dabo is going out of his way to defend DJ.
Nov 29, 2022, 2:58 PM
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Agreed - I wish I could post that tweet from Danny Kanell after our game (I'm blocked from Twitter in my office), but he hit the nail on the head.. at this point it's maddening to keep hearing the defense of him.
And I understand the whole "these are kids" stuff. But DJ isn't a kid - he's a grown man, and a millionaire at this point. When you sign these endorsement deals, you lose the "I'm just a kid" defense.
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Re: Dabo is going out of his way to defend DJ.
Nov 29, 2022, 3:04 PM
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Let's not forget Streeter. In my experience as a manager, if you answer a question with angry emotion, you've predetermined the question was coming and have no intelligent answer.
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Re: This Seems to Be your Approach
Nov 29, 2022, 7:37 PM
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You’ve just missed out on an opportunity to understand effective leadership techniques and what they look like in the real world.
You had an opportunity to get that from a person who knows what good looks like, but you’ve squandered it.
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Re: What some of T-Net want Dabo to say to the press
Nov 29, 2022, 12:44 PM
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Fans want Dabo to validate them, that he sees the same faults and issues across the program as they do.
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Re: What some of T-Net want Dabo to say to the press
Nov 29, 2022, 1:31 PM
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So you are telling me the 1000’s of fans and all the talking heads that see the same shi7 are all wrong and Saint Dabo is all right?
Got it!
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No, you just want him to air in public
Nov 29, 2022, 1:47 PM
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what should be in private. And that's you wanting validation
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Re: No, you just want him to air in public
Nov 29, 2022, 2:06 PM
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Why not? People need to be held accountable.
Also, people need to stop worrying about these guys feelings so dang much. They are young men.
Young men have been fighting in wars since the dawn of man at ages younger than these players.
Hell, I joined the military 2 weeks after my 17th birthday. You think the drills gave a #### about our “feelings”? Hell no, be a man and stop with all the sensitive crap. This is big time football and not paddy cakes!
It’s no a good look!
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Re: No, you just want him to air in public
Nov 29, 2022, 2:23 PM
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Striperfan supports safe spaces for Dabo, his coaches, and DJ where their feelings cannot be hurt.
They don’t make enough money in their jobs or NIL to face hard questions or situations.
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Striper likes people who treat others with respect
Nov 29, 2022, 2:30 PM
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and don't just clamor to hear what I want to hear.
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Accountability occurs in private
Nov 29, 2022, 2:27 PM
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especially during the season.
It becomes public if changes are made after the season. Just like it did with Napier, or Steele
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Re: What some of T-Net want Dabo to say to the press
Nov 29, 2022, 12:53 PM
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I think fans are beyond sick of everything that is DJU. As a player. The sooner he moves on, the better for him and everyone else. It’s awful as a fan to watch and has to be awful for him and the coaches too. It just needs to be over.
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No, I'd like, "We recogniz the offense the past 2 yrs has
Nov 29, 2022, 1:10 PM
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been pretty poor and we are working diligently, as coaches, to make this offense more dynamic.
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Ring of Honor [22313]
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And if he said that, and knew, thst with DJ at QB
Nov 29, 2022, 1:50 PM
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that's not happening, and Cade isn't ready to make that happen yet, then what?
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Then they are exposed as coaches who can't develop
Nov 29, 2022, 2:03 PM
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5-star QBs.
And naturally Dabo doesn't want that to happen.
Which is why he hasn't said that.
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Why wasn't PJ developed as a top 60 player as a freshman?
Nov 29, 2022, 2:36 PM
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Why did he have little impact as a freshman? You cite your opinion Brad develops guys over time, guess what, i dont disagree. But you expect a true freshman QB to come in and immedoately be the man.
As for DJ. He was a five star recruit. You honestly believe he's a 5 star talent? He's obviously the first 5 star someone has missed on, right?
This is why people call you a troll.
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Why wasn't PJ developed as a top 60 player as a freshman?
Nov 29, 2022, 2:36 PM
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Why did he have little impact as a freshman? You cite your opinion Brad develops guys over time, guess what, i dont disagree. But you expect a true freshman QB to come in and immedoately be the man.
As for DJ. He was a five star recruit. You honestly believe he's a 5 star talent? He's obviously the first 5 star someone has missed on, right?
This is why people call you a troll.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [102386]
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Lol.
Nov 29, 2022, 1:10 PM
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People in hades want ice water?
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Just a drop***
Nov 29, 2022, 7:53 PM
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Re: What some of T-Net want Dabo to say to the press
Nov 29, 2022, 1:25 PM
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“And as soon as he has that degree in hand he’s on the first bus outta here”.
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Re: What some of T-Net want Dabo to say to the press
Nov 29, 2022, 2:07 PM
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Re: What some of T-Net want Dabo to say to the press
Nov 29, 2022, 1:56 PM
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I think more fans want to hear "DJ has had his struggles this year, but listen he was a highly recruited kid for a reason. He has all of the physical tools in the shed to be all world. We have not set him up for success and developed him the way we should, that is on me first and foremost. I will figure this out and we will not allow another highly recruited player come to Clemson and not leave improved on the field. Best is standard for players and coaches alike."
Something that includes accountability and clear intentions of addressing an issue, not telling us everything is OK we just need 10 other players on offense to elevate their game to compensate for the head man.
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Ring of Honor [22313]
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I get that
Nov 29, 2022, 2:42 PM
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but after 2 years, you really believe he's developing into an elite QB wherever he winds up? The things he lacks are instinctual, not things that can just be drilled home. In HS he didn't need those things, he out physically talented others. The next level up, he couldn't do that.
So why would you say that? It's like the guy who throws 100 mph who you think you can teach to throw strikes. Or the batter who hits a fastball 600 ft you think you can teach to hit a curveball
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Paw Warrior [4797]
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Re: I get that
Nov 29, 2022, 5:12 PM
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I'm definitely with you. I'm just saying it would have been the best way for Dabo to not crap on DJ (bc he's worried about his psyche) without bad mouthing the other 10 players. You're the head coach take it on the chin and let everyone know you're in touch with reality( I know he really is, but alot of people are confused bc he refuses to acknowledge the elephant in the room).
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If after 13 years fans still need their hand held
Nov 29, 2022, 7:57 PM
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as Dabo attempts to do what is best to see us win, that's on them.
Only one QB plays. When Dabo says we missed some throws, held the ball to long, missed open receivers, that sack was on DJ, we didn't read that right, all things he has said. Who else is he talking about?
People hear, or don't hear, what they want to
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I was expecting to see "you're fired!"***
Nov 29, 2022, 2:19 PM
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Who knows?***
Nov 29, 2022, 2:45 PM
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Rival Killer [2781]
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Re: What some of T-Net want Dabo to say to the press
Nov 29, 2022, 2:46 PM
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Here is what I would really like to hear from Dabo:
"First off, I'd like to thank DJ for his contributions to our program. He's given it his all, but unfortunately it just didn't work out in the end. I've let him know that we intend to start Cade these remaining two games, just to get him some game reps with the first string. After the season EVERY position will be open, and DJ is open to compete for the QB1 role, but I would also be open to him continuing his collegiate career at another school; possibly at one with less stress than he is facing here.
Additionally, I have reached out to several coaches about some positions I believe will be opening up in the offseason. I'd prefer not to get into all of that at the moment, but as I have always said, 'Best is the Standard' and right now it is obvious to see that we have not achieved that benchmark I have set. It's not fair to the students, the fans, nor the athletes that compete on this team day in and day out. So, expect to see some big changes for '23, but in the meantime, you will also see some changes in the QB position, as we try something new."
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Re: What some of T-Net want Dabo to say to the press
Nov 29, 2022, 4:33 PM
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Goodness thats lame. Sounds like something Beamer would say.
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Re: What some of T-Net want Dabo to say to the press
Nov 29, 2022, 3:52 PM
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Dabo should have benched him long ago and simply said "Cade beat him out.".
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Re: What some of T-Net want Dabo to say to the press
Nov 29, 2022, 4:48 PM
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I have no desire to see Dabo (or anyone else) rip an inmdividual player. I would like to see him try to fix a two-year old problem. I don't think that is too much to ask.
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I'd like to hear this-
Nov 29, 2022, 9:29 PM
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I'm aware of some of the areas that we need to improve in. We're going to do the best we can to keep getting better with each practice and game this year. My goal is to win the next two games. After that I'll make changes as needed to make sure we have these problems resolved next year.
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