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Re: Christians are the worst
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Feb 15, 2023, 8:08 AM
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I'll go ahead and say it before the buffoons do. You mus bay thankin bout phukkin pekkers if you be posting sumpin la kiss. You mus bay one nem ar qurs.
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2 + 2 = 5 for very high values of 2***
Feb 15, 2023, 10:23 AM
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Re: Bruh, you've never read 1984
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Feb 15, 2023, 8:44 AM
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And likely not a book ever, really.
Read books? They don't even read the articles they link.
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Re: very mature response.***
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Feb 15, 2023, 10:12 AM
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Ah, yes, from our resident bastion of maturity.
In all seriousness, the 1984 point holds true. Many of you like to cite the book, and usually incorrectly, because you hear it mentioned on Tucker or some other fringe source. But when pressed on your knowledge of the book, it falls pretty short and y'all fail to answer.
1984 and the government in the novel have many characteristics and actions that Trumpkins have embraced or adore/would adore. Same as people on the fringe left.
For example, I remember you were an advocate of our government instituting torture to "fight terrorism". The government in 1984 did the same, although for a different end goal. You've advocated book banning the same as Big Brother, and you've been fervently pro-war in the past over specious reasons--the same Big Brother gave in their made-up wars to build patriotism.
If you actually read 1984, you'd know it's a partial condemnation of folks like you.
Spoon's comparison holds true; these stories are meant to get y'all fired up and furious as part of authority's measures to keep you obedient. If you hate a common enemy, they know you'll obey.
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Re: very mature response.***
Feb 15, 2023, 12:27 PM
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funny how extremists eventually find themselves seeking the same thing. Of course, this begs the question: what is extreme? Is the definition objective or simply identified by detractors of that which is being asserted as extreme?
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Re: very mature response.***
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Feb 15, 2023, 12:32 PM
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I would say a very simplified definition is an extremist is someone who leans more and more--whether right or left--toward government authoritarianism, loss of individual freedom, and violence to accomplish their own personal worldview.
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We need to protect trans children from their parents
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Feb 15, 2023, 8:32 AM
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It takes a village to raise a child.
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Re: We need to protect trans children from their parents
Feb 15, 2023, 8:51 AM
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It takes a village to raise a child.
That NC Tiger TU'd your comment will likely be the funniest thing I'll see all day. Well played!
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Re: Christians are the worst
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Feb 15, 2023, 8:36 AM
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Per Sarah Huckabee, there’s only two choices now, normal or crazy. That’s a fact.
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Christians aren't the worst.
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Feb 15, 2023, 8:41 AM
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1. People who pretend to be Christian and hate others are the worst.
2. This has nothing to do with Christianity and this woman is using that as her excuse.
3. The district, like it or not, had written policy as part of her contract and she willfully violated it.
From the article:
"Based on your religious beliefs, you cannot be dishonest with parents... If asked about a student's gender identity by a parent, you cannot refer the parent to a counselor, defer the inquiry and suggest they speak with a student..., or otherwise deflect the parent's inquiry," the letter, signed by assistant superintendent of human resources, Daniel Brooks, said.
The district is also bound by state law:
"The District is required to comply with all state and federal laws, including the California Education Code which guarantees a student’s right to participate in sex-segregated school activities and to use facilities consistent with the student’s gender identity, regardless of the gender listed on the student’s records," they told Fox News Digital. "The District is also obligated to protect a student’s right to privacy which is guaranteed by state and federal antidiscrimination laws and the California Constitution. The District will continue to protect the rights of all students and staff as required by law."
That's fine if you don't agree with the law or the policy, but the district has to obey it and requires employees to do it as well. She chose to break the law and the district didn't have much of a choice.
Again, has nothing to do with Christianity.
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Re: Christians aren't the worst.
Feb 15, 2023, 8:43 AM
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Per your #2 point. Is she being asked to withhold the truth?
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You mean #3?
Feb 15, 2023, 8:59 AM
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Reading the article, it appears she was told per policy that it wasn't her place to contact parents over these issues.
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Re: You mean #3?
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Feb 15, 2023, 9:03 AM
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No , I mean #2. You said it had nothing to do with Christianity. She was being asked to withhold the truth. Not telling the truth made the cut for the “big 10”.
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Re: You mean #3?
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Feb 15, 2023, 10:24 AM
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Well then, as her employer noted, her religious beliefs don't apply when it comes to obeying the policies of her employer and the state law they are bound to obey. Thus, she has the option to work in another environment if that doesn't suit her. Private schools, perhaps?
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That very well may be the case
Feb 15, 2023, 8:58 AM
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That is, of course, clearly up for debate.
What's not is the fact that this woman violated policy and law, just or not. She shouldn't be surprised at the results.
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Re: That very well may be the case
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Feb 15, 2023, 9:02 AM
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I suppose if someone defines lying to parents about the parent's child's gender identity and allowing boys into girls locker rooms as sane, then I suppose it's debatable.
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Finally someone gets to the point
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Feb 15, 2023, 9:17 AM
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It's all about the "rules" that liberals want to enforce.
Man-bun guy: "20M illegals? No big deal, lets raise taxes to support them"
Soy boy: "yea!. And I'm glad they fired that CA teacher that refused to tell a bold-faced lie to parents if they inquired about their children. And didn't want 12 yo girls to see penusus in the locker room"
Why is this important? 'Cause Gavin Newsome is going to be the Dem nominee for 2024, and he wants to bring this level of ridiculousness to the entire country. This story is but just a teaspoon in the ocean of absurdity.
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Not sure what a soy boy is supposed to be
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Feb 15, 2023, 10:19 AM
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Whatever stupid term that is, but the point is, the teacher knew the policies and laws. So does the district. If she wants to sue CA over it, by all means, have at it. But are y'all arguing the district should violate state law or continue to employ people who refuse to obey their policies?
Let's type it out again: Are you saying an employer should keep people who willfully disobey their policies?
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Re: Not sure what a soy boy is supposed to be
Feb 16, 2023, 12:53 AM
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It may suck what California is doing, but IMO you are right.
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Re: That very well may be the case
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Feb 15, 2023, 9:27 AM
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Yes, she “violated policy”. If you want to understand why she had no choice you can read Acts 5:29. I realize it won’t change your mind but if you care to understand her position it will help you see her point.
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Be that as it may, government doesn't operate under
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Feb 15, 2023, 10:08 AM
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religious pretexts.
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Re: Be that as it may, government doesn't operate under
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Feb 15, 2023, 10:31 AM
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And Christianity doesn’t operate under government mandates against the faith. So, she will move on to another job. Maybe she can come to SC to teach.
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And there you go
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Feb 15, 2023, 10:33 AM
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You talked out the correct solution to this situation.
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Re: And there you go
Feb 15, 2023, 10:43 AM
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Doesn’t make it right but unfortunately she has 2 choices. Compromise her beliefs or go where they are respected.
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When we work for someone...
Feb 15, 2023, 10:44 AM
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Aren't we all doing it to some degree, big or small? Compromising beliefs, that is.
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Re: When we work for someone...
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Feb 15, 2023, 10:50 AM
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No, not if you work for someone who respects and compliments your values.
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Don't try to get biblical here
Feb 15, 2023, 10:23 AM
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You don't really have a track record of being very Christian here.
And that's the point as well; this woman is throwing Christianity out there when it doesn't apply.
That's fine if she wants to "obey God over men". But I can cite Romans 13:1-2 (oh look, a passage of the Bible that contradicts your cherry-picking... didn't see that coming). Does that not apply?
She violated policy. On purpose. And refused to comply. Thus, she lost her job.
Would YOU continue employ someone who continuously disobeyed you?
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Re: Don't try to get biblical here
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Feb 15, 2023, 12:07 PM
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What in my track record here is not Christian? I’m not arguing, I just want to know.
I don’t need to look up the Roman’s passage because I know what it says. In fact , I figured someone would go there. Christians are to obey the authorities who are put in place by God. When those authorities put the citizen in opposition to Gods law then Gods principles trump man’s law. It does not mean we are to blindly obey government no matter what. The Bible gives clear examples of a Christ followers who disobeyed the authorities. Many were out to death because of it. Now, if the government tells me I have to pay 90% of my income in taxes I won’t like it but it’s my duty to vote for change but in the mean time obey the laws. The Romans passage absolutely does not trump Gods principles.
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Re: Don't try to get biblical here
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Agnostic, bruh. There's a difference.***
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I will affirm Tardawg's position.
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Feb 15, 2023, 12:14 PM
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The two passages are in harmony. We are to respect and obey government authority, as God's minister to us for good. However, when we are told by man to do something contrary to God's commands, then the command from man is overriden.
This one is more of a employer/employee issue than a mandate/law issue, to me. Certainly I am bound to obey my employer. If my employer wants me to do things that I don't feel are right, then it's my duty to break the relationship, or it will be broken for me by the employer. I don't know, in this case, if she thought there was some window of interpretation where she might be able to keep her job, and that's why she didn't resign outright. The difference between getting fired/resigning is often semantic.
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Re: I will affirm Tardawg's position.
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Feb 15, 2023, 12:18 PM
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Good summary.
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Re: Don't try to get biblical here
Feb 15, 2023, 12:46 PM
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You've espoused enough hate and discrimination on here to contradict the Gospels, but that's a debate for another day.
I'll take your point on what you said in the rest of the post, and while that may matter with the woman's personal convictions, it doesn't apply in the realm of an employer's policies, especially those in the public realm where religious beliefs are not allowed to dictate policy. As we've already established, she can go find a job where her beliefs are catered to if one exists. Her Christian martyrdom is just a fake attention seeker.
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Re: Don't try to get biblical here
Feb 15, 2023, 12:57 PM
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I’ve espoused hate and discrimination? I disagree with a lot of people on here but where is the hate? I’m sincerely asking you to be specific and not generalize. If I’ve done that I want to know how, sincerely.
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Re: Don't try to get biblical here
Feb 15, 2023, 1:23 PM
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I'm not going to stretch it out in this thread and I can't find the old thread in the search function, but I recall your comments on abortion regarding IVF and people struggling to have kids, moms who have to choose between risking/losing their own lives or giving up the baby, and those who were victims of rape or incest. They were harsh, lacked empathy and understanding, and in my eyes, that drips of hate and discrimination. You were clearly fine with a woman dying to maintain your hardline abortion stance or a struggling couple losing their abilities through legislation to have a child because, in your mind, that's a "small percentage," as if probabilities should somehow factor in here.
And if you think having such beliefs aren't hateful towards those people, that's part of the problem.
Again, not going to dive into another thread on it if you still have these views. If you've changed em, consider me corrected and wrong and we can move on.
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Re: Don't try to get biblical here
Feb 15, 2023, 1:36 PM
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I appreciate you answering my question. But I must ask, do you have me confused with someone else? I don’t recall ever commenting on IVF , letting a mother die, etc. I’m not trying to avoid here but that does not sound like anything g I ever said. I am most definitely pro life and I often take a firm stance on my beliefs in that regard. But I just don’t know about some of the harsh comments you attribute to me? If you prove me in error I’ll stand corrected.
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Godwinned!***
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Re: That very well may be the case
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Feb 15, 2023, 1:11 PM
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Well in that case, if someone raped her daughter and paid her husband 50 shekels, would she start planning the wedding? Or is this a case where we cherry pick as to when we obey "man's" law vs "God's" law?
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Christianity doesn't have anything to do with it
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Feb 15, 2023, 11:52 AM
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from her employer's perspective, I suppose, but it has everything to do with it from the teacher's.
She made the right call. I'm sure she'll be fine. It's not good for our public education system to lose good teachers over this ridiculousness. But it will continue to happen.
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Re: Christians aren't the worst.
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an unwillingness to promote acts that one believes are ultimately harmful is not hate and employer policy isn't the standard by which hate is defined or measured.
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The use of the word "hate" in these contexts...
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Feb 15, 2023, 12:33 PM
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is usually just ad hominem and should be ignored. It's easy to accuse someone of "hating" a person, as opposed to actually understanding their position.
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I'll clarify my comments
Feb 15, 2023, 12:58 PM
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I wasn't accusing this particular teacher of using hate; I was speaking in general about people who claim Christianity but push hatefulness toward others (more of a response to Keowee's snarky title). We have people on this board who fit that definition; they claim to be Christian but have advocated violence, discrimination, and legal persecution for those who are different than them, as well as label those people as evil. Some have also expressed very racist views. That's the definition of hate.
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OK, fair enough.
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Feb 15, 2023, 1:05 PM
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It is still ad hominem. I prefer responding to posts without regard to who posted them, or what they have previously posted. It makes for better debate if you're actually debating the ideas, as opposed to the people.
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Re: OK, fair enough.
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Perhaps this is a flaw, but I tend to cater my responses often to the level of the person, and given Keowee's history, it seemed fitting. Whereas with someone like you, I would debate the ideas. Again, perhaps a personal flaw, but maybe I'm just hardwired that way.
I can't think of anyone who models real Christianity better on this site than you.
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I would like you to know
Feb 15, 2023, 1:16 PM
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that I only hope I make you think more positively of Jesus, by my posts.
I thank you for your kind words. I'm sure a lot of it is skill in crafting words to present a persona, as opposed to what's actually in my heart and in my deeds, but I'd rather present positively, even if my life doesn't always live up to it.
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Re: I would like you to know
Feb 15, 2023, 1:28 PM
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I would like you to know that I only hope I make you think more positively of Jesus, by my posts.
You absolutely do. Unfortunately, some others here don't sell it very well.
I do make a point to stay off the Religion board as I really don't think it's right for me to go over there and question people's faith or attack the religion; my attacks here are on people who claim Christianity while pushing hatefulness and trying to infuse their beliefs into government to oppress others.
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Re: Christians aren't the worst.
Feb 16, 2023, 12:51 AM
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From what little that I’ve gathered, I agree with you that the teacher violated some conditions of her job, and her Calofornia public school employer had the grounds to dismiss her.
The American social experiment … if you don’t like a particular state (or if you believe that the state doesn’t like you), then move.
In other news, despite a high birth rate among non-white Californians, California appears to have passed the inflection point and is in the early stages of population decline..
Cut-and-paste from World Population Review (2021 vs. 2020 population changes … selected states)
New York
-1.58%
Illinois
-0.89%
Hawaii
-0.71%
California
-0.66%
Louisiana
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Massachusetts
-0.53%
West Virginia
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Mississippi
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Pennsylvania
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Michigan
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The pace of societal decay steadily increases.
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Heading to a bad place.
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Re: The pace of societal decay steadily increases.
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Disagree. Things are better than they've ever been.
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Re: The pace of societal decay steadily increases.
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I'm always curious about what time period they want to go back to that was so good.
Unless they say the 90s because of music, the prices, the movies, and that glorious break between fall of USSR and 9/11.
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Re: The pace of societal decay steadily increases.
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Feb 15, 2023, 12:44 PM
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I definitely enjoyed the 90s. Probably my second-favorite decade that I lived through, next to the current one. 2010s were pretty great too though.
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Re: The pace of societal decay steadily increases.
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2010s were pretty great too though.
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Re: Wut?
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What was the best decade for all Americans?
Feb 15, 2023, 12:33 PM
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Universally, what decade should we model that benefits the most Americans in the best way?
I can entertain the 1990s.
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Re: What was the best decade for all Americans?
Feb 15, 2023, 12:43 PM
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Re: What was the best decade for all Americans?
Feb 15, 2023, 12:50 PM
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The 70s were a mess. Crime was sky-high in the 80s and didn't stop rising until 1991. I know you mentioned crime as a criteria.
1990s saw a steady decline in violent crime, a great economy, and a nice level of peace sandwiched between fall of USSR and 9/11. Pop culture was at its best. We weren't plugged into devices all the time. So all of that is much better than now.
But in terms of overall freedom and liberty for all Americans, it's never better than it's been now.
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Re: What was the best decade for all Americans?
Feb 15, 2023, 1:33 PM
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Ya know, I may be crazy...
Feb 15, 2023, 1:40 PM
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But it kinda sorta sounds like you're okay with going back to decreasing the liberties for those people in order to improve the "overall state of the country" in your mind.
Am I reading that wrong?
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Is increased liberty always a good thing?
Feb 15, 2023, 1:56 PM
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I think we'd all certainly agree it is not. Extreme example to illustrate the point: I am not in favor of the freedom to murder someone. Once you start at that extreme, you realize it's not an absolute that liberty is good. There are always lines, and it's almost the entire point of government to draw those lines.
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Equal liberty for all Americans is.***
Feb 15, 2023, 2:01 PM
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Eh...even that is not absolute, I don't think.
Feb 15, 2023, 2:03 PM
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For example, I'm in favor, though I could potentially could be persauded otherwise, that all people who commit violent felonies forfeit their right to a weapon in the future. Or maybe there's a really tough road to hoe to earn that back.
I agree that only one's choices should affect one's liberties. Nothing outside of the control of our choices should affect what liberties we have, relative to others.
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Re: Eh...even that is not absolute, I don't think.
Feb 15, 2023, 2:09 PM
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Well, I figured it was a given we're not counting people who were convicted of felonies nor are we considering committing any crimes against people as "liberty".
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I'm thinking high-level philosophical here.
Feb 15, 2023, 2:36 PM
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Sorry, I get that way sometimes.
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And Johnny wearing a dress won't affect that, either
Feb 15, 2023, 2:02 PM
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So there's no harm in making sure everyone has equal liberties.
I didn't say this is necessarily our best time because of it, but it certainly is one area that trumps the 90s.
But the 90s music kinda overpowers all of that.
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Re: And Johnny wearing a dress won't affect that, either
Feb 15, 2023, 2:10 PM
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Re: And Johnny wearing a dress won't affect that, either
Feb 15, 2023, 2:12 PM
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We do have bigger fish to fry, which is why we should just let people be themselves and focus on those fish. Which begs the question why these stupid ### threads keep popping up on this site.
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Lag variables: 1980s made 1990s better. ‘90s made 2020s ???
Feb 16, 2023, 1:45 AM
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Only occasionally are good policies which are enacted during a given time frame end up creating benefits in that same time frame.
The same applies in a sense for bad policies … bad policies which are enacted ‘now’ are often not recognized for their harm until the future.
Early 1980s: Higher interest rates circa ~ 1982 helped to stamp out lingering inflation, but the higher rates contributed to a recession (this happened very fast)
Early 1980s: Major tax cuts were enacted to counter the recessive influence of higher interest rates. The early 1980s recession was therefore short lived.
Mid 1980s: Interest rates started to decline, which further stimulated economic growth.
Early to Mid 1980s: Major deficit spending (arms race with S.Union) stimulated the economy, created the conditions for the ‘peace dividend’ which started following the collapse of the USSR’s ‘Eastern Block’ … freeing up Poland, Czechoslovakia, etc.
Early 1990s: Oil price shock (from Iraq invasion of Kuwait) caused a ‘blip recession.’ This contributed significantly to G.H.Bush losing 1992 election. Fortunately, the economic recession was small and short; economy had started improving again during 1992. USSR collapsed.
Early to Mid 1990s: USA economy boomed; we were utterly dominant as the world’s only super power. USA economy was further ‘optimized’ via relaxation of trade restrictions with P.R.China. Outsourcing of USA’s manufacturing to P.R.China gathers steam.
Mid to Late 1990s: Acceleration of USA’s technology / manufacturing expertise to P.R.China creates an additional boom to the USA economy. No signs of competitiveness problems from P.R.China … yet.
Decade of 2000 - 2010: Economic benefits from sale of technologies and mfging expertise to P.R.China still out-weigh the growing competitive and military challenges from P.R.China. Why worry? Things were still good; worry about PRC later.
Decade of 2010 through 2020: Uh oh … PRC is a global threat both militarily and economically. Whu happened?
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Re: Wut?
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Mental health issues are off the charts because things are so good?
Are they off the charts? I can imagine things have been tough since lockdown, but I don't know what charts you're referring to.
Let’s see, high inflation,
We faced the danger of a deflationary spiral back in '09 but injected a bajillion dollars of cash into the system (and into GM, AIG, etc.) and rescued it. Ever since, there was a fear of inflation, but instead it stayed stubbornly low for over 10 years. Finally it spiked, but isn't out of control. We need it to be high enough so that interest rates can live long-term well above zero, where it'd been hanging out for way too long. Long story short, we needed some inflation, and it's currently not out of control.
stalled market,
Market is averaging 4% a year which is half the long term average but not unusual especially considering Covid, and definitely not stalled.
rising borrowing rates,
Do you mean more people borrowing, or higher rates? Both are good for the economy, anyways. The stagnant economy following the 2008-2009 crash was the result of (among other things) people sitting on their money and refusing to borrow.
increased mass shootings and horrific other crimes,
Mass shootings are a big problem, agreed. Regular shootings, and violence in general, are also a big problem.
not crushing the virus,
That sucks but life has returned to normal for many people. Personally the virus has almost zero effect on my life.
political discourse at an all-time high,
I don't have a problem with that. Might be a good thing, if we can educate people on how to see through disinformation.
government lying to us,
That's been an unfortunate part of government since the beginning of government. Kicking the Bullshitter in Chief out of office in 2020 helped things get better though.
record debt and continued deficits,
Definitely a problem but again, nothing new. Kicking the Spender in Chief out of office in 2020 helped things get better though.
disintegrating families and family values, [blah blah blah]
Two Minutes Hate. Not real.
and virtually a step away from a two front war that would likely draw in clowns like NoKo and Iran as well. Yeah it’s awesome!
Settle down.
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Sometimes you just need to stay on the sidelines
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Re: Sometimes you just need to stay on the sidelines
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One of the main root causes - SOCIAL MEDIA addiction
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Thanks for the mental health links.
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I haven't read them yet but will do so.
The rest of your responses are either ignoring my responses or failing to understand them.
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LOL ok guy me stoopid
Feb 15, 2023, 2:28 PM
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higher than where it was when he started?***
Feb 15, 2023, 5:46 PM
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Re: higher than where it was when he started?***
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So higher than the 4% Spoon cited?
Feb 15, 2023, 6:28 PM
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"stalled market,
Market is averaging 4% a year which is half the long term average but not unusual especially considering Covid, and definitely not stalled."
That seems to be the point spoon makes that you're referring to. But does not refute what he said. Maybe you have a different opinion on what "stalled" means?
If we expand out the Dow Jones trend to 5 years to get added context?
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Re: So higher than the 4% Spoon cited?
Feb 15, 2023, 6:39 PM
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Just showing the context....
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Here's the max chart for Dow if you want to go further than Trump:
But as you say, outside events often impact the economy (like geopolitical events or covid) so maybe the overall point is to not attribute causation when looking at economical performance under presidents.
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Re: Just showing the context....
Feb 15, 2023, 6:59 PM
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Re: Just showing the context....
Feb 15, 2023, 7:04 PM
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And as predicted, T3 doubles down on attributing causation to economical performance under presidents.
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Re: Just showing the context....
Feb 15, 2023, 7:15 PM
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Naming things isn't evidence for causation
Feb 15, 2023, 7:37 PM
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that's basically the exact problem. You're naming things you think are connected without providing evidence for how one created the other. You'd also have to show how what Biden/dems did also caused events on a global level when they have even less control over global economics than domestically.
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Re: Naming things isn't evidence for causation
Feb 15, 2023, 7:48 PM
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Never said I was an expert on anything
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except for maybe Seinfeld.
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Re: Never said I was an expert on anything
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Re: Wut?
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Weak propaganda by Spooneye in an attempt to discredit Trump (spent big during the single worst economic & health crisis since before the start of the 20th century).
Even weaker propaganda to paper over the Biden Admin’s (1) categorical failure to take tangible steps to address mental health & opioid crisis, (2) insane and unjustifiable deficit spending by JB (the COVID crisis spending of DJT’s admin was no longer needed), (3) 1984-esque ‘disinformation’ govt initiatives … followed shortly by the even more onerous ‘misinformation’ initiatives, (4) laughably absurd rationalizations that higher food prices (with food costs being conveniently excluded from CPI calculations) as being ‘a good thing,’ and (5) euphemistic description of the declining market as being “stalled.”
The Biden admin’s culture of lying has both width and depth, as we clearly see here on TNet.
Gheeesh!
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So here's the emotional response that we're getting here
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Which is exactly what Fox intended:
Emotional response: "Christianity under attack! Transgender evil! Society is crumbling!"
Here's the actual logical response: "Employee willfully disobeyed a policy that was forced on a district by state law. Refused to comply. District had no choice but to terminate employee so that they were in compliance with state law."
How many of you think this employee should have been kept on board but required to pay the fines and the lawsuits brought on the district?
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Do you think Christianity is not under attack?***
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Do I think...
Feb 15, 2023, 1:09 PM
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The religion that overwhelmingly represents our entire American population and is (supposedly) followed by the overwhelming majority of our elected politicians is "under attack"?
No.
Letting Mary who now goes by Joe use a potty doesn't attack your religion.
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Figures.
Feb 15, 2023, 6:43 PM
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The law is steadily encroaching on religious freedom, especially for Christians.
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True Christianity has always been under attack
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and always will be, in all parts of the world. Biblically, the response to that from the Christian should be joy, and continued faithfulness.
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It's not under attack where I live.***
Feb 15, 2023, 1:35 PM
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Maybe not in a way that you can observe.
Feb 15, 2023, 1:47 PM
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2 Timothy 3:12
Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
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If a Christian does not experience some persecution
Feb 15, 2023, 1:50 PM
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then I would question whether they are "living godly in Christ Jesus". I know that's the main problem for me personally.
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Re: If a Christian does not experience some persecution
Feb 15, 2023, 2:18 PM
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The main problem with you is persecution? Or not living godly in Christ Jesus? I assume you mean B but I'm not positive.
We might see things differently in terms of being "under attack." In my community, Christianity is the norm. I'm not under attack for not being religious, but I'm not involved in some of their activities as a result. I don't feel under attack at all for that.
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Persecution is often viewed in the lens of
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government authority. I think many Christians do a disservice to themselves thinking so narrowly about it. Persecution can and will take many forms. It could be ostracization by peers, snide comments from family, spiritual attack from Satan and his minions, and many others.
And you interpreted my first statement correctly.
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Man, I cringe to think how this board...
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Would have responded to THAT story back in the day.
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Re: Man, I cringe to think how this board...
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Probably be people going, "She broke the law, so it was her choice to be arrested." No matter how absurd the law was. That'd be my guess.
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lol...beat me to it***
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Re: Maybe...
Feb 15, 2023, 1:56 PM
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Probably some of that too
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