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The OB was a disaster for Clemson, its brand, team morale..
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The OB was a disaster for Clemson, its brand, team morale..

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Jan 4, 2023, 10:47 PM

coaching abilities exposed, Oline deficiencies amplified, db play coverage lacking, poor OC play calling, DC making in-time changes late, low fan turn-out due lack of interest, etc.

Oh, what team this year in a bowl game had 7 drives in First Half near or into the Red Zone and came away with 3 measly points?

CLEMSON!

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Re: The OB was a disaster for Clemson, its brand, team morale..

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Jan 4, 2023, 11:08 PM

We got beat by a really no good team that had been ranked #1 during the season. There is no morale issue or shame in that.

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We didn’t play that Tenn team

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Jan 4, 2023, 11:24 PM

We played the one with their starting qb out who should have won the Heisman

They also had a ton of opt outs.

And let’s not forget, they had a horrible defense all year

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Re: We didn’t play that Tenn team

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Jan 4, 2023, 11:32 PM

They had two terrible defensive efforts...Alabama and South Carolina. In the other 11 games they gave up 16.72 per game, which is actually very good. I think all of us look at the two really bad ones and ignore the rest.

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Re: We didn’t play that Tenn team

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Jan 5, 2023, 5:11 PM

No, I look at the fact that they were the 127th ranked passing defense and the 92nd ranked total defense. Two bad games do not bring you down that much. Yes, they were only the 37th ranked scoring defense, but despite all their opt-outs, we scored less points than: Pitt, Florida, Alabama, Tennessee Martin, Georgia, Missouri, and South Carolina.

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Re: We didn’t play that Tenn team


Jan 5, 2023, 6:28 PM [ in reply to Re: We didn’t play that Tenn team ]

Tennessee actually had a good DLine and great run defense. Their secondary was suspect.

All the people that complain endlessly about how bad everything is, are always the least informed on what is happening on the field.

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Re: The OB was a disaster for Clemson, its brand, team morale..

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Jan 4, 2023, 11:21 PM

There are plenty of questions and doubts, but they will all be answered by winning ballgames in the fall.

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Re: The OB was a disaster for Clemson, its brand, team morale..

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Jan 4, 2023, 11:28 PM

The Orange Bowl at the end of 2011 was also a disaster, as I recall.

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Re: The OB was a disaster for Clemson, its brand, team morale..

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Jan 5, 2023, 12:04 AM

Our loss to TN was a bad loss.

Our awful loss to WVU at end of 2011 season seemed like a disaster at the time, but in fact had little bearing on the fortunes of Clemson football.

The TN loss will also have no disastrous consequences for us.

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Re: The OB was a disaster for Clemson, its brand, team morale..

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Jan 5, 2023, 7:36 AM

You are absolutely correct, but Dabo made big changes after that loss

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Can't blame the coordinators for that game.

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Jan 5, 2023, 10:18 AM

Other than those 3 long passes, we held UT down pretty well. They only had 375 yards.

Our offense moved the ball all night and we ran over half of our record 101 plays on their side of the field. Redzone issues were execution - go back and watch. We did try running and passing in the redzone, before you go there.

3 missed FGs by one of the most consistent kickers in the country was an anomaly as well - do we fire the special teams coach too?

No coordinators are getting fired, and there's no reason to suggest they should, assuming that was your direction with that post.

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Re: Can't blame the coordinators for that game.

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Jan 5, 2023, 6:46 PM

I do not agree if your are suggesting that we had a balanced, effective attack. Shipley had 5 touches in the first half, and a total of 17 for the game. Mafah had 7. Cade had the most at 20, most of those running for his life. Streeter did nothing to protect Cade from a relentless pass rush from a mediocre defensive line. For example, he made no effort to establish the run early in the game to put the defense line back on its heals, and he made no effort to put a back in the back field later in the game to protect Cade. Streeter's offense under performed all season. You are entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to my opinion that Dabo needs to make a change and replace Streeter just like he did when he replaced Steele after the debacle of the WVU Orange Bowl. I do not care that we had more yards and more first downs. Last time I checked, there are no moral victories in football. It is not a successful Clemson season in my view any longer when we get beat by Carolina (because of poor coaching decisions), embarrassed on national TV at Notre Dame, and shown up in the Orange Bowl by a team that was without its starting QB and several offensive weapons. Like I said, you are entitled to your opinion, and leave me to mine.

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Re: The OB was a disaster for Clemson, its brand, team morale..


Jan 5, 2023, 4:23 PM [ in reply to Re: The OB was a disaster for Clemson, its brand, team morale.. ]

I disagree. If Clemson lost a close game to WVU, Kevin Steele stays and Brent Venables goes somewhere else

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Step back from the ledge, It will be ok

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Jan 4, 2023, 11:29 PM

Our starting QB said on live TV that he hadn't practiced with the one's but a week before the ACCCG and before that it was pre-season. Given bowl practice is limited, he did well, but made some learnable mistakes.

I think the future is bright. The DJ angst era (not knowing which DJ would show up) is over.

There is optimism for 2023. I think we have a chance to make the playoffs. Winning one, may take some special luck. But hey, I rather be there and have a chance.

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Re: Step back from the ledge, It will be ok


Jan 5, 2023, 12:08 AM

I worry that our fans will over react negatively if CK2 does not perform up to our overblown expectations for the 2023 season.

Neither Sam Hartman nor Kenny Pickett were world beaters in their first year as a starter.

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Isn’t that a indictment against Coach Swinney?

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Jan 5, 2023, 12:31 PM [ in reply to Step back from the ledge, It will be ok ]

And Coach Streeter?
It proved they were never serious in giving Cade his chance against DJ.
He wasn’t prepared because of coaching. He should have been taking reps with the 1’s all year along.

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Jan 5, 2023, 7:25 PM [ in reply to Step back from the ledge, It will be ok ]

That is the coaches fault

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Re: The OB was a disaster for Clemson, its brand, team morale..

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Jan 4, 2023, 11:37 PM

Wait, but if this was 2024, Dabo could say we are a Nationally relevant team because we would have been ranked above Tenn. So then we have become a playoff team again. Just not the way the fans wanted it.

But then we would probably have been ranked 5th due to P5 rankings, Bama probably ranked 7th and they would have smoked us.

I made a post few days ago but Dabo has hit proverbial mountain top and thinks fan will be happy winning a Conference because they will play for Natty. But playing for Natty won't be because you are an elite team but because the rules changed. We will end every season ranked 10-15. That is what Penn St, Oregon, and tes like that have been doing for yrs.

Dabo needs to get out of his own way and hire great Coordinators and let them tell him if we need changes at position coaches. But top Coordinators won't play the Swinney kids, the buy the friends and family plan because they are looking for improvement and better incomes. The guys Dabo has hired all got giant payraises in the last 12-24mos, they are you and as happy as pigs in slop.

We should be able to question Dabo but it seems like the coaching questions are off limits.

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Re: The OB was a disaster for Clemson, its brand, team morale..

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Jan 4, 2023, 11:47 PM

so we should've gotten Petrino while he was cheaper?

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That's a lot of words.

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Jan 5, 2023, 10:21 AM [ in reply to Re: The OB was a disaster for Clemson, its brand, team morale.. ]

Basically none of it accurate though. Your unhappiness at the loss is clouding your judgment, at least that's what I hope it is.

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Re: The OB was a disaster for Clemson, its brand, team morale..

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Jan 4, 2023, 11:42 PM

Disaster … that’s a bit much.

Nearly all us (including presumably you, and most definitely me) had over rated our chances this year due to a relatively easy early season schedule that provided the platform for our still-developing offense and re-juggled OL and new receivers to improve quickly as the season progressed.

Most us anticipated that our defense would quickly approach the standard of 2021’s defense.

Our offense did indeed improve, but not to the extent or consistency that it needed to in order to be within a binocular’s view of the elite offenses.

Our defense suffered mightily early in the season due to DB problems and ‘teething process’ for LBs who replaced Skalski and B.Spector. The LB play + DL play rose to the general vicinity of the elite teams. Unfortunately, our CBS (with the exception of Nate Wiggins and somewhat with Sheridan Jones) and Safeties (with the exceptions of R.J.Mickens and Jayln Phillips) did not improve at the pace which we had hoped.

Because of our overall DB unit, we did not anywhere near to the performance of the 2021 unit.

WR should finally get to a good (more than just respectable) level next year.

QB is my biggest worry … let’s hope that CK2 develops quickly, Vizzina turns out to be a quick study, and that Paul (forgot his last name … the portal guy who was brought aboard for depth purposes) can sustain us for a victory or two if CK2 gets injured or needs a ‘relief pitcher.’

(***). There are enough foundational pieces for our OL to become elite (I’m not kidding) in 2023. Our RB unit and TE units remain thin; barring major injuries our RB unit should approach elite status … our TE unit is a ??? mark.

(***). Defense should be elite at DT and LB.
(***). DE may surprise if our SRs (including XT) can play lots of snaps and 2 or so FRs can play a bunch of quality snaps.
(***). CBs will be very good (N.Wiggins elite, S.Jones excellent, T.Pride good)
(***). Safeties should also be much better assuming continued excellent play from Mickens and Phillips, along with experience related better play from the others.

Our young coordinators will be coming into their 2nd years. This is usually the biggest year for major improvement.

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Summary: We indeed have a chance to reach ~ top 10 status next year; most of will depend on how quickly CK2’s decision making improves.

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Re: The OB was a disaster for Clemson, its brand, team morale..

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Jan 4, 2023, 11:55 PM

I like your analysis. I too see cause for optimism but question a noticeable amount of play calling. I'm no guru but while some plays were obviously brilliant, at least as many were head scratchers. I'm hardly ready to say folks need to be fired but we seem to need a few new wrinkles. I did really like our increased tempo and hope it continues to be a facet of our offense.

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I don’t think it was nearly as damaging as you are saying.

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Jan 5, 2023, 12:08 AM

Missing the playoffs two years in a row after being picked in the preseason both years it make it hurts our reputation more than losing to Tennessee.

Failing to develop talent hurts our reputation more than losing to Tennessee.

Most people don’t put much importance on a performance in one game. They look at recent trends, and some of those aren’t helping us.

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Re: I don’t think it was nearly as damaging as you are saying.


Jan 5, 2023, 10:25 AM

I agree and you can bet other teams are using that against us in recruiting. There's a reason we've stopped getting elite WR prospects the last couple of years and it isn't because they don't think they'll play due to all the talent ahead of them.

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What talent are we not developing. Please

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Jan 5, 2023, 12:26 PM [ in reply to I don’t think it was nearly as damaging as you are saying. ]

cite positions and names.

I'm calling bs on your comment.

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Re: What talent are we not developing. Please

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Jan 5, 2023, 4:55 PM

I happen to agree that there are areas where we are not developing players. You want names and positions? Here you go, Offensive line: Linthicum, Putnam, Parks, Leigh, Tucker, Mayes, Mitchell, Miller. IMO, not one of those players has developed to the point where you can just plug and play. They all were 4 star recruits(I believe) and not one has played up to the hype. You want to blame that on the players or the coaches? I don't think this is BS.

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You forgot the S&C, equipment managers, and watergirls.

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Jan 5, 2023, 10:12 AM

Geez dude, you gonna be alright? It's not that freaking bad.

We'll never see a redzone anomaly like that again. And that's really all there is to that.

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Re: The OB was a disaster for Clemson, its brand, team morale..


Jan 5, 2023, 12:54 PM

Are you the same guy who keeps the lights on in the chicken houses?

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Re: The OB was a disaster for Clemson, its brand, team morale..

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Jan 5, 2023, 2:08 PM

disaster? No way, unless no one learns from it. It literally was bragging rights game, an exhibition game. Secondary regressed back to Wake Forrest level play, got smoked a few times. Continued lack of execution by players on key plays.

I think we will be better for the game not worse.

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It was also a good motivator to any who though they...


Jan 5, 2023, 3:13 PM

might be doing enough. I have no one in mind, I have everyone in mind.

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Re: The OB was a disaster for Clemson, its brand, team morale..

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Jan 5, 2023, 4:11 PM

We lost a playoff game, time to move on...

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Re: The OB was a disaster for Clemson, its brand, team morale..


Jan 5, 2023, 5:09 PM

Playoff Game? did you mean Bowl Game?

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Re: The OB was a disaster for Clemson, its brand, team morale..


Jan 5, 2023, 6:21 PM

Dabo said it was a playoff game so I believed him...

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Re: “How to Ruminate and get TUs” by LbB***


Jan 5, 2023, 7:22 PM

LBB throws out more chum than Captain Quint.

He’s a good old fellow, but he’s been around Clemson football far too long to believe half the stuff he tries to stir into the pot on TNet.

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