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The last time Clemson climbed the mountain
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the whole world was saying Bama was unbeatable. They were a dynasty. An immovable object.
Seems that's Georgia now.
The last Clemson team that climbed the mountain had a bunch of guys chose to return. Had a highly rated but inexperienced QB. An OL everyone questioned. An OC people questioned.
As of now, we return 17 of 22 starters. XT is definitely starter quality, so 18. Cade finally won the starter job, so 19. Briningstool is starter quality, so 20. Mascoll has started many games, 21. That leaves LT, where a 5 star and several highly touted 4 stars will battle it out to start.
Biggest difference is WR, but maybe let's see how these do with Cade at the helm all year. In 2017 with Bryant at QB and as freshmen, Tee caught 17 passes and Amari 12.
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Re: The last time Clemson climbed the mountain
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Jan 10, 2023, 12:41 PM
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I like your thinking
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Re: The last time Clemson climbed the mountain
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With all due respect to XT (i am glad he is returning), he has not proven he can stay healthy or set the edge in run situations. At this point is a 3rd down rushing specialist in terms of what he has proven. I hope he can put it all together, but it is certainly not proven.
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The last time Clemson climbed the mountain
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they had pick axes and pikes, roped together through the blizzard, ox and mules being whipped up the hill, scratching and clawing their way to claim the peak.
Now we are content with riding the chairlift up the the 4th highest peak, and looking at Everest from afar.
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Re: The last time Clemson climbed the mountain
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Be careful posting anything positive on this board?.
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Re: The last time Clemson climbed the mountain
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Jan 10, 2023, 1:36 PM
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For real ! Lol you will get your butt handed to you.?
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Re: The last time Clemson climbed the mountain
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Jan 10, 2023, 2:42 PM
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That’s why you’ve got to quit being scared and give them their #### right back, they don’t like you doing that at all.
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How many starters on next year's team would start for that
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team? How many would even make the 2 deep?
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That starting DL was insane
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our entire group this year would be the backups, who were Huggins, Pickney, Justin Foster and Chris Register in 2018. Far better freshmen coming in this year. Depth at DT far better this year.
LB in 2018 was Joseph, Lamar and Simmons. Kendall was a gutty player. Lamar was a run stuffer. Simmons wouldn't be a big star for another year. Carter and Trotter both start. Woodaz definitely on the two deep.
CB were Terrel and Mullen in 2018, Terrell a true freshman. Both first rounders. Wiggins could be a future first rounder, Jones is a really good college CB, but edge 2018. Pride and Lukas are the ones to watch though in year 2, and they hopefully make a big jump. Both top 100 players.
S were Muse and Wallace. Both good players. Muse with a bad tendency to get beat deep. I honestly like our group of safeties better this year, especially if Mukuba gets his weight back up to 200 where it needs to be. Much deeper this year.
OL, Hyatt and Simpson clearly start from 2018. But the other 3 were Falcinelli, Pollard and Anchrum. Not much difference honestly, if not better this year C moving right. And I'm not sure Tate won't be better than Simpson when all is said and done. Tate would likely be at RG on the 2018 team.
TL over Cade, or anyone else for that matter. You down on Cade though?
TE, Briningstool over anyone one that team.
ETN over Ship and Mafah, and as TL, anyone else for that matter. But Ship and Mafah are head and shoulders over our depth that year. I'll go to war with Ship and Mafah though.
WR entering 2018 was a big question mark. Renfrow was the only proven commodity. The others were Tee and Amari off lackluster freshmen years, Overton, Powell and Triston Thompson. Ross came on the scene big as a true freshman and Tee became a star. WR is the biggest difference to me.
But that 2018 team had many, many question marks entering the year. QB controversy, unproven WR, lack of depth on DL, thankfully we stayed healthy. Huggy was the best backup. TE was weak. Depth at RB lacking. LB except for Simmons were not swift. Terrel was an unkown, as was Ross. It gelled. Do we win it all in 2023? No idea, but things are not nearly as bleak as are being painted
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The WR panic on here lately is what puzzles me.
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Jan 10, 2023, 2:41 PM
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While we certainly haven't looked like WRU these past two seasons, getting there is a 2-way street, as closing out the season with Cade has clearly illustrated.
I was thinking about our 2018 WR room earlier, and recalling that it wasn't exactly a sure home run by any means heading in. Our biggest hit down the stretch was a true freshman, who had the biggest game of his life in what was the biggest game in program history. The whole world got to tune in and see a superstar performance and an unholy rout of 'the greatest team in college history.' Anything short of that from Ross and TL following brought out moans, which, considering what every fly by night reporter, fan, what have you witnessed on that early January night in '19 as being the expectation, was fairly regularly by default.
I love the talent we have coming back and coming in, and I will absolutely take the team-first mindset that is part of the Dabo way and a large part of the backbone and makeup of our roster, a trait that has delivered championships when on paper we were underqualified, all.. day... long.
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I want to see the healthy Randall that wowed people
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all last spring. Antonio in year two. Beau with someone who can throw him open. Turner if he's another find from nowhere. I'm intrigued by the physicality of Noble Johnson coming in.
Right now, I don't see Tee or Ross. But no one saw them in January 2018 either. WR is definitely a key area for us to take a big step forward, and yes, Cade should be a big part of that.
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I'm really hoping that we can add Ngata to this '23 mix.
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He seemed like a totally different caliber player with CK under Center. I'm thinking his decision is more about stay or portal than stay or go pro. Hope he sticks it out for one more turn here. Could be another great redemption story before it's over.
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Would love to have him back, but also
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Jan 10, 2023, 3:50 PM
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don't view him as crucial. Have to remember in the OB, we played without Beaux, Stellato, EJ had transferred out as had Dacari. True scholarship WR available were Ngata, Antonio, Turner, Randall and Spector. Between Beaux, the 4 freshmen, and Stellato hopefully healthy, we're going to be better there.
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He had a great, HS pedigree
Jan 10, 2023, 5:44 PM
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but he caught 17 passes. You think any of our WR next year may benefit from Cade throwing the ball instead of DJ?
Right now I don't see a Tee or Ross. But we'd likely never have seen them as they were in 2018 without TL. I want to see Randall healthy. If Turner is really that guy from nowhere. If Johnson can be that physical 50/50 guy. Beaux being hit in the timing of the route. Especially with Cade at the helm.
WR is the place we need 1-2 big play threats to emerge. That changes the entire offense. Those chunk plays have been the biggest thing missing the last two years.
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His numbers were certainly better than Randle's and you seem
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Jan 10, 2023, 7:23 PM
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to put a lot of stock in him
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That torn ACL thingy
Jan 10, 2023, 7:32 PM
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he wore a brace all year until the OB. I want to see him healthy. Like Amari after his, he was able to play, but not full tilt until the following year.
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I would say Tee looked better coming into his SO season, but
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then I'm not trying to push a narrative either
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I'm not saying he'll wind up better than Tee
Jan 10, 2023, 7:51 PM
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and we both know Dabo can lay the praise on thick sometimes. But when he does say Randall was the most ready freshman WR we've had along with Sammy and Ross, that gets my attention. Every report from the spring was about how impressive he was, from everyone. ACL killed that. You can still have straight line speed, but the flexibility, making cuts, those sorts of things take time.
Dabo kept saying Turner was a player. Looks like he was right there as well. Time will tell. I think Noble Johnson has an impact. The guy can high point the ball, something we've really missed the last few years, even when Powell and Amari had the good years in 2020. And Cade can make those throws
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I’m not buying that RB depth in 2018 was
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Jan 10, 2023, 4:30 PM
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more of a concern than next year. I agree Ship/Mafah are awesome, but steep fall after that. You had Feaster and Adam Choice rotating with ETN. Just go look at their 2017/2018 stats. Think you’ll find they were more proven than Dominique Thomas? Is that the next guy up?
Either way we had 3 proven backs with starter being better than our current 2 proven backs.
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The question to me was who would even make the two deep
Jan 10, 2023, 4:57 PM
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from 2018. Ship/Mafah >>>>>> Feaster, Choice and Lyn J if they were on the roster in 2018.
No one was better than ETN
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I got you....I was going by the depth at RB
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lacking comment. I feel it's much more lacking next year. Hopefully no one gets hurt or some of these unknowns show out.
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I think Green or Adams will be a servicable #3
Jan 10, 2023, 5:37 PM
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let's face it, won't be many carries unless it's a rout behind Ship and Mafah, barring injury
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Purposely left him out bc he was an incoming
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freshman and no way to tell what he was going to do. He was certainly more highly recruited than the 2 incoming freshman we have next year. Maybe they'll turn into ETN part 2.
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You make solid points. Question for you:
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Plus one for the Hee-Haw reference***
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Re: The last time Clemson climbed the mountain
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I feel like Clemson can make the playoff this coming season, but we’re not winning any national championship until we find some wide receivers who are Ballers. That was the major common denominator between 2016 and 2018. We had studs that could win jump balls and make clutch catches when we needed them. We do not have that right now
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Don't disagree, WR is the biggest difference
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but entering 2018 Renfrow was the only proven guy. Tee and Amari were mediocre as freshmen. Ross was an unknown. Powell, Overton, Thompson weren't anything special. I don't see a Tee Higgins on this team. That huge play guy. We do need someone to emerge in that role
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Re: Don't disagree, WR is the biggest difference
Jan 10, 2023, 5:09 PM
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And we really only need one. One guy the other team has to account for every time he’s on the field
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Re: The last time Clemson climbed the mountain
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the whole world was saying Bama was unbeatable. They were a dynasty. An immovable object.
Seems that's Georgia now.
The last Clemson team that climbed the mountain had a bunch of guys chose to return. Had a highly rated but inexperienced QB. An OL everyone questioned. An OC people questioned.
As of now, we return 17 of 22 starters. XT is definitely starter quality, so 18. Cade finally won the starter job, so 19. Briningstool is starter quality, so 20. Mascoll has started many games, 21. That leaves LT, where a 5 star and several highly touted 4 stars will battle it out to start.
Biggest difference is WR, but maybe let's see how these do with Cade at the helm all year. In 2017 with Bryant at QB and as freshmen, Tee caught 17 passes and Amari 12.
Gloom, despair and agony on me
Many good points. I think the topography of the mountain has changed a bit. UGA retutns almost everyone except Bennett so we will see how their 4 and 5 star back ups pan out. As far as the remaining talent across the board, I don't see much comparison. UGA put 15 players into the NFL last year and this year they are mostly underclassmen that will return. To compare UGA's O line to Clemson's work in progress is a bit far fetched to me. It's like saying B Stool is starter quality (I agree). He's not in the same hemisphere as Brock Bowers or the big "O". I'll state it more plainly. How many returning Clemson players would crack the starting line up at UGA? My answer is 1. Barrett Carter could likely play safety. Cade could have an outside shot. That's it. Can anyone name another?
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How many of our guys would have been starting for Bama
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prior to the year in 2018? Some on the DL for sure. None on the OL. Tua over TL.
That championship game was a perfect storm. We played to a level I don't think any other Clemson team ever has that game. But those things do happen
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Re: The last time Clemson climbed the mountain
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Mafah and Shipley would play any where in the country. Their numbers aren't jarring because we underutilize them imo.
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Re: The last time Clemson climbed the mountain
Jan 11, 2023, 10:06 AM
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Shipley and Mafah are tough backs but we need some burner speed at RB.
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Re: The last time Clemson climbed the mountain
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Who is going to make the explosive plays needed to win a title like you seem to think we will do? Check where we ranked in that category in 2022. There is no BV. We have a guy who hasn’t even coached before we our DC, lol. And then Streeter…. But I do want some of what you’re smoking.
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The big play guy at WR is the big question mark
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but no one knew who it would be in 2018 either. Tee was mediocre as a freshman and Ross was an unknown. Can Randall begin to wow people again like he was last spring a full year off the ACL? Can Noble Johnson come in and be that 50/50 guy? Can Cole Turner shock the world? Unknown, just like 2018. But someone needs to grab that role.
You don't think Cade at QB will make a difference?
At OC, people complained about Chad. They sure complained about Elliott. Nothing new for Streeter and OC's at Clemson
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Re: The last time Clemson climbed the mountain
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@TigerFreak Td’ed you… you repetitively chime in but sound miserable.
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The secondary was light years better that year as well....
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Everyone wants to focus on the offense (especially the OL and WRs, and it is justified), but the defense gave up the most passing yards per game since Coach V's first season back in 2012. Injuries to the starters did not help us at all this as guys like Wiggins, Pride, and Luckus (and even an injured Mukuba) got a baptism by fire this year. They HAVE to be better (and I think they will) next year.
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Agree about injuries
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Wiggins made huge strides though, so did Mickens. Jones and Phillips are both very good college starters. I believe both Pride and Lukas make big jumps this year. I love our depth at safety.
But yes, we need to be better. Beginning 2018 Mark Fields was a starter at CB. Terrell eventually took the job. Muse was a great athlete but lacked awareness many times. Wallace was just a glue guy always in the right spot. Very much like Mickens
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Re: The secondary was light years better that year as well....
Jan 10, 2023, 5:09 PM
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More pressure on the QB would have helped. The DL was probably the biggest disappointment on the defensive side. I’m guessing because they were the most hyped.
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The ends racked up the sacks that year
Jan 10, 2023, 5:50 PM
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I love KJ, but for as many pressures as he had, he needed more sacks. Murphy underwhelmed. XT was out.
I'm honestly looking for Woods or Parker to push Mascoll. I think Mascoll can have a good year, but don't see him as an elite pass rusher
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How dare you be positive!
Jan 10, 2023, 2:46 PM
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Didn't you get the memo that we're done...over...Dabo's an idiot, yada yada yada???
Get with it man! The sky done falled.
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Re: The last time Clemson climbed the mountain
Jan 10, 2023, 2:51 PM
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I like your optimism. I don't agree with it, but like it.
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Re: The last time Clemson climbed the mountain
Jan 10, 2023, 3:35 PM
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I think we should have a good team but am worried about wr, secondary, and defensive end.(huge we have XT back but depth is still an issue). Barring major injury issues where would you guess we will finish ranked next year if you had to pick now?
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We return our top 10 guys in the secondary
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so I actually feel pretty good there. Hopefully healthier and another years experience for the freshmen and Mukuba. WR is the question mark, especially the big plays. I feel better about 2023 than 2022. Antonio has a chance at a breakout year. Really want to see a healthy Randall. Turner looks like a keeper. Really looking forward to seeing if Noble Johnson can make an impact. Plus, Cade running the offense.
It looks as though Woods will begin his career at DE. Between he and Parker, they're both going to get alot of snaps. Denhoff and Patterson need to show something this spring, both former top 100 players. Depth is definitely unproven.
Ranked? Top 10 to begin the year. Rosters are still in flux with the portal. A ton of top teams will be breaking in new QB's. The same teams as always will be favorites in the media with a darling like FSU getting alot of preseason hype. I expect 14 SEC teams in the top 25, lol
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Re: The last time Clemson climbed the mountain
Jan 10, 2023, 3:38 PM
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Striper, with all of that said, what is your expectation of the team for next year?
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Preseason top 10 with the schedule to
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get some really big wins in ND and FSU, both at home, and some quality ones in UNC and Louisville. We have questions, as does everyone else. I think we see significant improvement on O and D though. Return a ton of experience. Coordinators more comfortable. No QB controversy. Impact freshmen coming in. Special teams need to be solid with new PK however. Would hate to lose a game due to that.
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People are saying UGA is unbeatable now????
Jan 10, 2023, 5:39 PM
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they barely beat an above-average OSU team to get to the natty. It's a down year and they're queen of the pigs this season. They're a good team, but ain't nobody labeling them unbeatable.
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I think them media drumbeat will be dynasty
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just like FSU will be the trendy newcomer. Jawja's schedule next year is laughable
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Re: In my opinion; Two things The Tigers need, to get back
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Jan 11, 2023, 11:49 AM
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to the top, A Christian Wilkins, and a Hunter Renfrow. Not only for their playing skills, because we all know how good as players they were, but their leadership. I haven't seen leadership, like they provided since they left. Maybe I'm wrong, but I believe The tigers have some very talented players, but we need some of them to step up and lead. This may not have a lot to do with Stripers OP, but it's my thoughts.
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