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Re: But but but they are a net positive
Dec 30, 2023, 10:47 AM
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I don't think the Repubs want to fix that border until after the election. They know it's a killer for Biden. In polling the economy is the top issue, but although a distant second, the border is a major concern. Something like 19% of the population who were surveys have it as their top issue
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Laws exist. Enforcement does not.
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TX created their own law to help and the Biden admin sued them immediately.
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Re: Laws exist. Enforcement does not.
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True, but I pounting out that the Repubs in Congress don't want the problem fixed at the moment. The border patrol needs way more funding for innovation and more officers. There also has to be rule changes for illegals/immigrant asylum seekers. Repubs like the prob at the moment. Its the lesser of two evils if its rid of Biden and helps them gain some sears in Congress.
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Got ya. Yea, they want the issue for their ads and tough talking.***
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Re: What is the Pub House gonna do? They can't do anything***
Dec 30, 2023, 11:39 AM
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You don't think you need the House for funding? Also, you don't think we need them for immigration reform? Was that a serious question?
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So they cut funding. Nothing gets passed.you start crying
Dec 30, 2023, 1:21 PM
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"The Pubs aren't doing anything..They're killing dumekracky!"
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Re: So they cut funding. Nothing gets passed.you start crying
Dec 30, 2023, 1:36 PM
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What are you rambling about incoherently?
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Re: But but but they are a net positive
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I have no proof, but willing to bet that Steve Bannon and other Trump conspirators are doing everything they can to encourage the migrant surge. He’s been involved in some shady stuff in south america as well as europe.
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Their benefit is enough to fund every fire department in the country
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Dec 30, 2023, 11:15 AM
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And probably every police department as well.
They send $55 billion a year back home to Mexico. Another $20 billion to other central American countries. That's a lot of labor. Plus whatever they spend living here. Plus the work they do, yeah, more than pay for themselves, overall. Including the BFE, Texas Fire Department, and even their health care. I've seen them disappear from workers comp claims. They don't want to tick off the employer, so they take their broken leg back to Mexico for treatment rather than having their employer file a WC claim and not hire their little brother who is en route to work for the same frame carpenter contractor.
Sucks to be the fire department or doctor/hospital that has to rescue/treat them for hypothermia and hyperthermia, and dehydration and malnutrition, and other junk as they risk it all to get here to work. But net, yeah, they pay for themselves, and then some. We enjoy the "then some" btw.
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Re: Their benefit is enough to fund every fire department in the country
Dec 30, 2023, 11:31 AM
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They are definitely needed. That said, what's the perfect balance between a border that isn't so porous and getting the workers we need? I wonder how everyone wins. On a similar note, I owned a few ice cream shops in Hungary, still a part owner of a chicken restaurant. Anyway, getting labor is really tough in Hungary. Theyvare well educated and want more now with all of the tech firms etc opening up there. The real reason it is tough is they don't want immigrants from certain areas. The Syrians and other refugees from mainly Muslim countries prompted Hungary to clamp down. The cops woukd even beat them at bus stops. Not having labor is tough. On the other hand, they want Hungary to stay Hungary.
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It's the same deal the world over. Hence my UAE/Abu Dhabi example
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Dec 30, 2023, 11:44 AM
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Same in the UK, Hungary, everywhere really.
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Re: It's the same deal the world over. Hence my UAE/Abu Dhabi example
Dec 30, 2023, 11:47 AM
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True, but what is the solution here?
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Irony is, ultimately, it's republicans who are the architects of everything
Dec 31, 2023, 10:47 AM
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republicans hate. A pub left the gold standard. Pubs gave us NAFTA. Pubs started the open-borders policies. Pubs set the stratospheric rise in the national debt in the 80's. The inflection point for everything was the 1980's. Higher debt, more spending, lower taxes, losses in manufacturing, increasing trade deficits, increase illegal immigration, NAFTA, decline of middle class, etc. Trickle down allows all of that to make us prosperous, according to the 1980's republican economists.
And it works. And democrats were on board the whole time. Pubs get their huge military and won the cold war, dems got their social programs expanded. Only now does the GOP have buyers remorse. And both parties are desperate to distance themselves from something most people don't even recognize much less understand. Hence our most recent Congress did less than any other Congress in history. Passed what 10, 12 bills? I forget. Abysmal. They're scared, both parties. Dangerous times. And for some reason we can't seem to find anyone else to run the free world other than a narcissistic populist, and a demented, shuffling, mumbling octogenarian.
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Re: Irony is, ultimately, it's republicans who are the architects of everything
Jan 1, 2024, 9:55 PM
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You're bypassing Joe's politics there. He is everything you said and that just makes him the perfect foil for everything the Liberal Progressives are pushing, BLM, LGBTQ, Demographic change due to an invasion from the south, destruction of the middle class, etc.
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Be sure and mention that
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Dec 30, 2023, 11:31 AM
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to the victims of the criminal illegals who should never been allowed in.
Cartels, terrorists, pedophiles, rapists, common criminals. They're all pouring over the border in large numbers due to our treasonous gubmint.
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Re: Be sure and mention that
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Statistics show they are less likely to commit a violent crime than you are, if we group you with all natural born citizens.
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We have immigration laws. Joe illegally chooses not to enfore them,
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in spite of the oath of office he took.
For Birm: Google it please rather than posting a pig of someone laughing.
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Re: We have immigration laws. Joe illegally chooses not to enfore them,
Dec 30, 2023, 1:39 PM
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Well, who knows if accuarate about that, but let's say you are. The border patrol says they are overwhelmed and they need more resources. They dont have the resources to enforce the laws.
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The question is, why is anybody, regardless of political affiliation, who
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Dec 30, 2023, 3:17 PM
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enters illegally, released into the U.S. instead of being expelled? That in itself is rewarding illegal entry (criminal behavior) and encourages others to do the same. Seems to me the answer to the problem of so many migrants showing up and entering illegally is plain as day.
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probably because of the economic advantages they offer to the country***
Dec 30, 2023, 4:40 PM
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Lol again. Those costs wouldnt be included of they werent here.***
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Re: Lol again.
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Ignoring the fact they aren't "illegal" in an analysis of "illegal citizens", it also purposefully ignores their contributions now and later in life while counting their "costs."
Garbage analysis, and I think you know it.
####, I just looked up FAIR...
The Southern Poverty Law Center classifies FAIR as a hate group with ties to white supremacist groups.[7][8][9][10]
FAIR was founded in 1979 by Michigan surgeon and white nationalist John Tanton.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federation_for_American_Immigration_Reform
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Re: Lol again.
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The SPLC is a corrupt and morally bankrupt organization. Anyone using them as a source disqualifies themselves from being taken seriously. Talk about being garbage.
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Unlike the white nationalist founded organization. Got it.***
Dec 30, 2023, 8:26 PM
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P.P.S. You should learn to take your own advice...
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Even in your own "evidence" for your argument...
..."it is true that immigrants inherently increase the size of GDP."
"The National Academy of Sciences in another formal study of immigration, The New Americans, proclaimed: Immigration will affect only the size of the economy: more GDP will be produced.
The United States will be a bigger economy.
"Harvard economist George Borjas, the nation’s leading immigration economist, amplifies on this
point. According to Borjas, immigrant workers (legal and illegal) “in the labor market makes the
U.S. economy (GDP) an estimated 11 percent larger ($1.6 trillion) each year.”
Sure, he attempts to spin that information into a negative by mainly using negative language where he makes it sound bad which is probably why when you read it (lol), you thought it supported your "argument."
I also like that he still has to try and include the children of illegal immigrants receiving the same benefits as other citizens to try and make his financial argument sound more persuasive. The subtext on that is awful.
and wrong...
from the NAS report:"The children of immigrants (the second generation) are among the strongest economic and fiscal contributors in the U.S. population, contributing more in taxes than either their parents or the rest of the native-born population."
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The Southern Poverty Law Center
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BWAHAHAHAHAHA!
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It's weirdly pavlovian sometimes in here with you guys.***
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You guys too.***
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Hmmmm. No, that's not it, or at least I've heard no government official
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give that as a reason. And if we do need the cheap labor that desperately, the answer is to allocate sufficient resources to allow enough cheap-labor-providing immigants to get in legally ... not just bypass the system in violation of existing laws.
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Yep, no reason there shouldn't be bipartisan support for expanding immigration
Dec 30, 2023, 10:50 PM
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maybe if we didn't demonize them so much we'd have that, I don't know.
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Is simply wanting them to obey our immigration laws "demonizing"?***
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Nope.***
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Re: Yep, no reason there shouldn't be bipartisan support for expanding immigration
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Mexico has already demonized them, thus they seek refuge here. Some think their predicament isn't the US's problem but the bleeding hearts here have turned the Southern Hemisphere's problems into our most pressing problem.
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Are you really that frickin' ignorant? A couple percentage points as compared
Jan 2, 2024, 1:36 AM
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to a couple of MILLION in difference... How statistically stupid!
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Supposedly, the migrants being released into the U.S. are being given
Dec 30, 2023, 10:53 PM
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court dates at some point in the future. What is that court date for?
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Re: Supposedly, the migrants being released into the U.S. are being given
Dec 30, 2023, 11:24 PM
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What immigration laws is Biden intentionally not enforcing? Still struggling to answer this? 😆
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No struggle at all. What I'm getting at is that immigrants are being
Dec 31, 2023, 12:09 AM
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released into the U.S. without having legal staus. They have no visa or green card, and have not been approved for assylum. Instead, they are given court dates in the distant future, usually years down the road, at which time their legal status will be determined. I'm not an immigration attorney and I can't quote the stutute and section. I just know that people are coming here and getting in without going through the immigration process because the system has a years long backlog.
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Re: No struggle at all. What I'm getting at is that immigrants are being
Dec 31, 2023, 1:16 AM
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The laws are being enforced as written and you have failed to prove otherwise despite extensive goggling on your part. Sorry that your narrative is BS. Not my fault. Frustrating, isn't it. 😆
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The law that requires immigrants to have legal status in order to remain
Dec 31, 2023, 11:50 AM
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In the U.S. is not being enforced. Prove me wrong.
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Okay, I did some goggling (as you put it) and found this explanation.
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Immigrants are being "paroled", or exempted from the usual process, in record numbers. This program has been massively expanded unilaterally by the Biden admin, bypassing congress, to get more immigrants into the U.S. and get around the traditional process used to allow immigrants to legally enter and stay in the U.S.. Technically legal I think, but this method was intended to be used in a limited way for targeted groups in special situations. Biden has clearly abused it to advance his party's agenda.
Traditionally, to enter and remain in the U.S., immigrants had to have legal status, which meant a visa or green card, which required an immigration hearing, which now has a years long backlog. It appears the Biden administration has decided to go around that by applying the law in a way it was never intended to be applied. The fact that sanctuary cities no longer want these immigrants exposes the whole thing as a farce.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/immigration-parole-migrants-us-expansion-biden/
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Re: Okay, I did some goggling (as you put it) and found this explanation.
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You forgot to mention that migrants under this "lawful program" have a US sponsor and a large portion of these migrants are Ukranian (they're white, so that should make MAGAts feel at ease). I can't stop LOLing at how pathetic your attempt is to defend the "not enforcing immigration laws" narrative. You're exhibit A for someone who chooses to be spoonfed misinformation. You need to do a deeper dive on Google and see what you can come up with.
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Re: Okay, I did some goggling (as you put it) and found this explanation.
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What constitutes a large portion?
I'm no supporter of Ukrainian immigration btw.
The damage has been done already from decades of illegal immigration from our own Southern neighbors. The immigrants from Ukraine and other Eastern European countries amounts to no more than a few condiments at a Chinese Buffet anyway.
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Re: Okay, I did some goggling (as you put it) and found this explanation.
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I acknowledged that expanding the parole system by executive order is legal. Something is not adding up, however. About 4.5 million have entered the U.S. illegally over the last 2 years, but only about 200k have been deported. How did the remaining 4+ million become legal? Where are they? I know you just troll and want to bash, but I'm really trying to understand.
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Re: Okay, I did some goggling (as you put it) and found this explanation.
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Are you using the CBP “encounters” numbers to get to 4.5 million over two years? From what I gather, that was is the combined number of apprehensions and expulsions at the border. 1) I don’t think they all make it in and 2) 4.5 million encounters != 4.5 million people; the same person could try to cross 10 times in two years.
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Re: Thanks - you may be right. You got me pointed in the right direction.
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Until I read yesterday, I didn’t know the difference between removal and return. Removal is a court order that come with criminal penalties if they re-enter. Return is flying them back voluntarily- faster but doesn’t escalate re-entry to a crime. As we slowly find the families for the children Trump took from parents, they are beng “returned.” There’s still around 200 time go.
Imagine if we had been stricter with German immigrants who claimed to be Swedish and came here to open whorehouses? That’s right, the Trumps would still be in Germany.
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Re: Thanks - you may be right. You got me pointed in the right direction.
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I think the thing to look at is their estimate of the total number of illegal immigrants residing in the US. Double the number to allow for what some estimate as the first undercount. It seems 20 years ago the estimate was 10 million. Now it’s 11-12 million. And the estimate for the workforce has stayed around 4-5% of the total.
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Re: Supposedly, the migrants being released into the U.S. are being given
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What laws is he refusing to enforce? Still waiting.
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