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Oculus Spirit [79002]
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slow down no huddle offenses
Jun 18, 2013, 1:44 PM
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I am sure Les Miles will get on board real soon
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/blog/eye-on-college-football/22464891/bret-bielema-wants-rules-changes-to-slow-down-no-huddle
Bret Bielema wants rules changes to slow down no-huddle offenses By Jerry Hinnen | College Football Writer June 18, 2013 12:42 pm ET
Arkansas coach Bret Bielema and Alabama coach Nick Saban might not be on the most friendly of terms after Bielema told Arkansas fans this past March to compare his (superior) Big Ten record to Saban's. (Are there coaches with which Saban is on the most friendly of terms?) But the SEC West's current coaching overlord and the division's new-kid-on-the-block will see eye-to-eye on at least one topic: the rise of the no-huddle, up-tempo offense.
AL.com reported Monday that Bielema, a member of the NCAA's Playing Rules Oversight Panel, proposed a rules change that would create "a 15-second substitution period" after each first down to allow defenses to substitute. At the recent SEC spring meetings, Bielema framed it as a player-safety issue -- just as Saban did when asking for similar rules changes last October.
"Not to get on the coattails of some of the other coaches, there is a lot of truth that the way offensive philosophies are driven now, there's times where you can't get a defensive substitution in for 8, 10, 12 play drives," Bielema said, per AL.com. "That has an effect on safety of that student-athlete, especially the bigger defensive linemen, that is really real."
Saban said in the wake of his team's (relative) struggles with Hugh Freeze's up-tempo Ole Miss offense in 2012 that defenders have "a much greater chance of getting hurt" in the late stages of a long no-huddle offense, calling it also an issue of "fairness" and asking, "Is this what we want football to be?"
So Bielema will have at least one prominent supporter when it comes to attempting to push his proposal through. (He'll likely have another in Florida coach Will Muschamp, who also said he believed the no-huddle could be a saftey hazard.) But that doesn't mean the rule is on the verge of entering the NCAA's rulebook, not since the users of the up-tempo spread are just as empathic in their support of it as Bielema and the pro-style camp are in their opposition.
"If the offense doesn't sub, the defense shouldn't sub, and that's the way the rules are," Freeze told AL.com. "Offensive players are playing, too, the same number of snaps. Are they in danger also? ... They're having to play the same number of plays."
A (highly) cursory glance at injury numbers from the 2011 season would seem to back up Freeze's assertion. If Bielema's and Saban's theory is correct, teams that run no-huddle attacks (and face more extended-drive snaps not only in games, but throughout the season in practice) and play in spread-friendly conferences like the MAC or Conference USA should rank higher in starts lost to injury. But Phil Steele's tabulation of the 2011 injury numbers showed that the top-four most injury-stricken teams were all pro-style proponents, with clock-eating option team Army at No. 7.
Meanwhile, prominent no-huddle spread teams Northern Illinois and Houston -- whose defenses played the third- and fourth-most snaps in the country that year, respectively -- both finished in the top 10 for fewest starts lost to injury, with Freeze's own go-go Arkansas State team finishing at No. 1.
It's fair to say Steele's numbers only provide a rough estimate of actual injuries suffered, and that the common-sense dictum that tired athletes are more likely to suffer injury -- one held not just in football, but across the entire athletic spectrum -- likely has more than a little truth behind it. And no one's going to doubt Bielema's or Saban's sincerity when they say they want safer playing conditions for their players.
But when new Auburn defensive coordinator Ellis Johnson -- formerly every bit as sharp a critic of the no-huddle spread as Saban or Bielema -- just-so-happens to be A-OK with up-tempo attacks now that he's working for Gus Malzahn, it's also fair to assume that football concerns have at least as much to do with Bielema's and Saban's opposition as the injury issue. Until the day Chip Kelly comes out and agrees that no-huddle offenses are a safety problem, it's not going to be a coincidence that it's the slow-it-down pro-style coaches that want the rules changed to hurt the other guy's offense.
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do they not get 3 timeouts per half?
Jun 18, 2013, 1:48 PM
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if you need a break, take one.
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This is more than real. "[It] is really real."***
Jun 18, 2013, 1:51 PM
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Saban clif notes version:
Jun 18, 2013, 1:54 PM
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We get the best players and can beat anybody in a 1950s football style game. Get rid of athletes thay can equalize our on field supremacy in smashmouth football. Our style is the only style that should be permitted.
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Legend [15223]
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It's just as much a burden on the OL. Those guys, in theory
Jun 18, 2013, 2:05 PM
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should also be more likely to become injured.
You can't say it's only more dangerous for the defense.
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Re: Saban clif notes version:
Jun 18, 2013, 2:05 PM
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Their opinion isn't saying you can't have a different style of play. They are arguing the offense shouldn't be allowed to run a gimmick that takes advantage of the intention of the rules.
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gimmicks that takes advantage.. What?
Jun 18, 2013, 2:09 PM
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The offense is perfectly within the rules. THe offenses play as many snaps as the defenses. You think a receiver gets less tired than a cornerback? Maybe slightly. I don't understand why this creates such a big deficiency for defenses. Mismatches are what the whole game is about, and I don't see this as a safety issue.
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It's not a safety issue.....
Jun 18, 2013, 2:13 PM
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that's just the way those opposed to no-huddle up-tempo offense are selling it in order to garner more attention.
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expect to see "injuries" on long possession drives .
Jun 18, 2013, 2:23 PM
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this is setting the tone.
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And it's a risky offense too. When a good defense, like SCar
Jun 18, 2013, 2:19 PM
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causes several 3 and outs in a row and only a few minutes tick off the clock, then the game can get out of hand.
Or like against WVa... a few quick turnovers and the game is over. It's not like it's some perfect offensive system.
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Their premise is safety of defense
Jun 18, 2013, 2:11 PM
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Which doesn't make as much sense if the offense running the pace has to play those same number plays. You think Olinemen want to jog upfield after a 15 yard pass play, and 8 seconds later do a power running play?
And I don't see it as a gimmick, really. Are fast breaks in basketball a gimmick? A quick-paced pitcher? Is swapping quarterbacks mid-game a gimmick tactic?(assuming injury/blowout isn't there)
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Re: Saban clif notes version:
Jun 18, 2013, 2:11 PM
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That's like a team in the 50s saying teams shouldn't throw the ball more than 10 times because it causes them to run further down field.
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It's no a good argument. If the argument included the fact
Jun 18, 2013, 2:12 PM
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that it also puts the OL and other offensive players who don't substitute in danger, then I would buy it.
It's not just the defense who plays more snaps.
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Re: slow down no huddle offenses
Jun 18, 2013, 2:07 PM
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whah-whah-whah cries the SEC. If you don't play ball where I can win, I'm going to cry and go home.
See ya'.
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Re: slow down no huddle offenses
Jun 18, 2013, 2:26 PM
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They don't seem concerned about safety when a 300 lb DL hits a 175 lb running back. If you are truly concerned about player safety, make the maximum playing weight 225 lb and the minimum 175 lb. That way, everyone is approximately the same size.
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Re: slow down no huddle offenses
Jun 18, 2013, 3:19 PM
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you would think with all the SEC speed that saban has, his defense could handle the no huddle.....
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So basically the Defenses get a free time out every play
Jun 18, 2013, 2:32 PM
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This is absurd.
The HUNH offense has advantages and disadvantages. The quick 3 and outs could absolutely kill a team.
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Re: If you clowns are scared just say so***
Jun 18, 2013, 4:28 PM
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Your hunh hasn't been any more effective against us than Napier's offense was.
I'm not sure why you would think we are afraid?
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