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Re: Painfully accurate article about our lack of killa instinct
Dec 5, 2016, 12:19 PM
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I just pray we get through 2 more games without this biting us
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Yeah, that lack of "killa" instinct...
Dec 5, 2016, 12:22 PM
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really "bit us" against a favored Oklahoma team about this time last year.
smh
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Re: Yeah, that lack of "killa" instinct...
Dec 5, 2016, 12:29 PM
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This year's team is not a carbon copy of last year's team. For whatever reason this team seems to not be able to step on the throat of its competition, if the competition is remotely close to being in the same atmosphere as our talent. I'm not saying we can't, we just haven't yet. Our team will have to pay it's best game of the year from here on out to win. (Which I think they're gonna do)
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12-1 says otherwise***
Dec 5, 2016, 12:39 PM
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No team is a carbon copy...
Dec 5, 2016, 12:44 PM
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of the previous year's team, at least not in college football. But if you can't see the extreme similarities this years ACCCG and last year, then I dunno... smh.
We lost a fluky game to a good Pitt team, beat an outmanned coot squad, and won a tough conference championship against a legit, well-coached team who is PEAKING RIGHT NOW.
I think we've seen how well Dabo and Venables prepare for bowl games. It's not us that needs to be worried. The buckeyes hang their hat on an OOC win over Oklahoma; I suspect they are keenly aware of what we did to that team with the same main skill players and the same QB last year, when we were the underdogs. And they haven't forgotten how we punished Braxton Miller in 2013. Pucker factor for Urban Meyer - 103%. He knows Clemson, of ALL teams, is NOT scared of the ESPN-OSU hype. We've been there and we THRIVE on that noise.
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How was this ACCCG any different from the close game
Dec 5, 2016, 12:34 PM
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with UNC in last years ACCCG.
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There was one difference, VT actually fields a defense...
Dec 5, 2016, 1:42 PM
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We had to earn our points against VT, they weren't giving up big plays and easy scores. Last year our offense didn't even have to try to score against UNC.
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Re: Painfully accurate article about our lack of killa instinct
Dec 5, 2016, 12:37 PM
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This has been extremely frustrating this year...I attribute it to coaching. When we get a big lead, offensive play calling goes conservative and we get behind the chains. Venables also seems to call off the dogs and sit back in a bend/break mentality. We go conservative way to early in games.
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yes, it's always frustrating to go 12-1***
Dec 5, 2016, 12:38 PM
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It's Painfully Accurate we are the #2 Seed In The CFP
Dec 5, 2016, 12:37 PM
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Just saying
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Did she even watch the same game I did Saturday
Dec 5, 2016, 12:37 PM
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Clemson was never up 35-17 on VT
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can't hold them, how are we 12-1 then? Can't believe...
Dec 5, 2016, 12:38 PM
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some of y'all buy into ESECPN propaganda
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This is not propaganda...it's why we are 12-1, not 13-0.***
Dec 6, 2016, 4:19 PM
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That article is dead on . . .
Dec 5, 2016, 12:56 PM
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and being #2 and 12-1 doesn't contradict it's point, b/c the article isn't about whether Clemson is resilient under pressure or not- and whether they are able to win in such situations or not - they clearly are. But the point still stands that the inability to finish off a team a bit early when they're on the brink is a regular phenomenon. And not just this year, but for a while now, last year included (L'Ville, ND, NCSU, Syracuse, USC, UNC).
And the issue is also not just teams that end up being tough outs - even if unexpectedly. It's this deal where, if we come out on fire, and go up, say, 17-0, 21-0, 24-3, etc, or work our way to a similar margin later in the game, you just KNOW it's not over.
Now, VT is a good team. And so are some of the others, but there are other factors than just that. The dynamic of a game changes, and how it's approached should change, when you have a big lead - and the team with a sizeable lead has their foot on the opponents neck. Occasionally it won't pan out anyway - and not every instance is an indictment of a team's killer instinct. But when it's regular, predictable, foreseeable, and - as this article put in, almost as if on ###### - you can't wave that off with references to 12-1 and #2. It's similar to the criticism of the turnovers. There is both a legitimate compliment AND criticism related to the turnovers in some games this year. Yes they are able to WIN in spite of them, very often. But they are also committing those turnovers. It's "both/and."
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##### = scrip(t)*****
Dec 5, 2016, 12:56 PM
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Re: That article is dead on . . .
Dec 5, 2016, 1:13 PM
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I agree with you. Look at Alabama. They never let their foot off the gas. It's always pressure, pressure, pressure. They pressure teams into boneheaded mistakes. Thus, defensive and special team touchdowns. Not to mention, the Tide pressures opponents by constantly attacking on offense. Theirs is a 60 minute game. Clemson usually plays hard for about 40 minutes. It's the other 20 minutes that spell trouble. Against Ohio State it could mean elimination. Against Alabama, certain death. I hope they practice hard and are coached hard for the next few weeks. Some film watching may be appropriate too. Gooooo Tigers!!
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Orange Blooded [2753]
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Exactly . . . I had a friend put it well the other day . . .
Dec 5, 2016, 1:18 PM
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he said "we play one good quarter per half." That's about right.
The one thing that's encouraging though, is that we did improve in the playoffs last year after all that time off.
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Re: Exactly . . . I had a friend put it well the other day . . .
Dec 6, 2016, 4:07 PM
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A nice replenishing four weeks should be just what the fans ordered.
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Bama only played one team with a good offense all season...
Dec 5, 2016, 1:45 PM
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and at that point the USC Trojans offense wasn't on track yet. If we played Bama's schedule we would have had more big wins.
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Possibly, but that's not the whole story . . .
Dec 5, 2016, 2:00 PM
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Whatever one makes of a comparison with Bama in particular, the point of the article still stands. We might have had less close games than we did if we'd had Bama's schedule, but you can also bet we'd have more close games than they did. Both last year and this (and for years, really), we've had the basic M.O., whenever we get a sizeable lead, of drawing it out, often unnecessarily.
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with there schedule, we would have gotten more big wins than Bama...
Dec 5, 2016, 4:25 PM
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Bama wears teams down, they don't score fast and are very inconsistent on offense. If we got to face all the bad offenses and bad defenses they played, we would have set a Clemson record for most 50+ point games in a season.
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Re: Bama only played one team with a good offense all season...
Dec 6, 2016, 4:10 PM
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I agree. Mississippi, USC, LS-EWE, Aw-burn and Florida. Only Ole-Miss' offense was humming when they played. The other four collectively stunk.
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We Used to lose a lot of those close games before Dabo
Dec 5, 2016, 1:04 PM
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We may not be the "killers"..But we are Closers!
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Yeah that's a good point that we don't want to miss . .. but
Dec 5, 2016, 2:12 PM
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but I still think we can appreciate that difference while still noting the unnecessary nature of it all. I'd much rather be where we are now than back when we lost all the close ones. But some of the shenanigans we pull are simply unforced errors, and when we win in spit of them, Dabo does all his cheerleading about BYOG and finding ways to win and such, and then we go back the next week and pull all the same unnecessary crap again. Clemson is too good to being doing this as often as we do.
Like any game, the Pitt loss was the result of the sum total of it's parts. Our mistakes and missed opportunities, and Pitts great plays, and the bad officiating all played a part, and it can't be said that this or that play, or call, or flag ALONE - TO THE EXCLUSION OF ALL OTHERS, quote-unquote LOST us the game. But it CAN be said of some things that had it been done/called differently, that we'd have won IN SPITE of all else that went wrong. Many of the same things that contributed to the Pitt loss were also present in most of the other games this year, but we still pulled them out.
THE TRICK is the minimize the damage that you CAN control - especially that which can be controlled easily, so that you can absorb as much adversity as possible. WE DON'T DO THAT. We are just so good that it often simply overwhelms the mistakes and the bad coaching decisions. Then, when our talent and good coaching decisions outweigh the fallout from our mistakes, we call it "resiliency" or "finding a way to win," or BYOG or whatever. Now, to be fair, that's all true to an extent. But we aren't maximizing the "little" things that we can control to minimize risk. We're simply overwhelming the cons with the pros. We could have made EVERY LAST MISTAKE we made in the Pitt game, and suffered EVERY LAST bad officiating error, and STILL won the game if Dabo/Elliot/Scott had simply made the kindergarten-level-complexity decision NOT TO PASS THE BALL at the three yard line with under 6 min left and an 8 point lead and a FG in our pocket.
There's more to it than just that, but that is plenty enough for starters, and until we quit stuff like this, we'll still be a half-octave down from Alabama's stratosphere. I saw an article the other day entitled something like "Clemson Is The Next Alabama." Close, but not quite. If our staff would mix in a little more strategic-game-situational-smarts along with our basic offensive philosophy, then we would have been 15-0 and finished #1 last year, and would be 13-0 this year with a chance to do it again.
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you just exposed yourself as a coot by calling Dabo a cheerleader...
Dec 5, 2016, 4:26 PM
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and mocking the BYOG slogan
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God, we get it. You're a better fan than everyone.***
Dec 5, 2016, 4:44 PM
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Lost me at 35-17***
Dec 5, 2016, 1:23 PM
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I have to pause the DVR.
Dec 5, 2016, 1:29 PM
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Watching Live literally gives me heart problems.
Very tough to watch. Especially when you know that 21 pt lead is sure to gonip in smoke rapidly.
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Simple solution
Dec 5, 2016, 1:51 PM
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Schedule more SEC East teams.
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Re: Simple solution
Dec 5, 2016, 4:14 PM
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If only Penn State would have thought of that instead of scheduling ACC foe Pitt...
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Maybe the problem is that the players are
Dec 5, 2016, 4:42 PM
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taught that it you don't play well on one play there is always the next. You can see where if you have a nice lead that some of this thought can really creep into multiple players taking multiple plays off at the same time. You can see several time where with a lead, some look like they are just going through the motions.
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Re: Maybe the problem is that the players are
Dec 6, 2016, 4:16 PM
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There seems to be some of this. Clemson is so talented that I think, subconsciously anyway, they feel they can just coast to victory.
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Re: Painfully accurate article about our lack of killa instinct
Dec 6, 2016, 4:32 PM
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Painful but right on the money, don't know if you can coach to having that killer attitude. You either have it or you don't. I hope the boys prove me wrong though! Go Tigers
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