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National Champion [7591]
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Recruits and their families dont stand on the issues with many here
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Why do we assume that recruits and their families view the Kirk/professor issue like some on here do? I don’t get the arrogance. As an African American with some pulse on what black folks think about these things- unless you want an all conservative white team- don’t worry about the inaction on the professor/kirk stuff affecting us.
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Re: Recruits and their families dont stand on the issues with many here
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As a white conservative I agree. I don’t think this BS with the professors will have any impact on any athletic programs.
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National Champion [7591]
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I am black and conservatiive- morally- but not politically
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There needs to be room for folks who have conservative values(if we were to reduce them to that term- but the instrument, arguments or means to expressing and getting there are different. I don’t have to agree with or like what Charlie Kirk said or vote red or agree with how to handle social issues to be conservative(term is so polarizing)… I don’t have to be right to live or be right.
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All-In [10725]
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Re: I am black and conservatiive- morally- but not politically
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Sep 13, 2025, 9:02 AM
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Do you not agree that society needs to focus more on mental health, our citizens and the restoration of the family? The black community would serve to benefit from those ideals more so that Charlie Kirk or many of us on here who already live that way.
Do you agree that youth centers in NY and Chicago built in Black neighborhoods have been turned into migrant shelters and should be for those Americans that are already here and serving the role they were intended to serve?
Do you not believe our society has become morally corrupt, with a focus on hyper sexuality so intense that it permeates the music, the movies, the culture?
We have left God out and are replacing him with a “State”, that is what Russia did during the Bolshevik revolution and while appealing to the ignorant and hungry masses it will do little to better their condition and will only serve to bring those who are achieving down.
I’m not for it and I’ve yet to even discuss Murder if someone who disagrees with me
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CU Medallion [18890]
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Im concerned that moral people such as yourself
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Sep 13, 2025, 9:20 AM
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are not being protected socially, politically, and at times, physically.
If you align more closely with conservative values, it means you are an advocate for liberty, agency, the rule of law, equality of opportunity, and the preservation of human rights against all enemies foreign and domestic. Actively advocating, not passively watching the moral baby get thrown out with the social bathwater. Stand tall for the opportunity of freedom or slouch over for the guarantee of oppression - no one is neutral.
Especially if your faith undergirds your moral convictions, the caution of nominal morality from James 2 is a sobering challenge for us all:
“But someone will say, “You have faith and I have works.” Show me your faith apart from your works, and I will show you my faith by my works.”
James 2:18 ESV
Also, Go Tigers.
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Paw Warrior [4845]
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Never thought of it as it might relate to recruiting.
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I see it as a world issue. University inaction just enables more of it and emboldens the perpetrators. It’s wrong and we shouldn’t stand for it.
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CU Medallion [19088]
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Re: Recruits and their families dont stand on the issues with many here
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So, you’re pro-murdering conservatives and think our recruits feel the same way? Just want to be clear.
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National Champion [7591]
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Of course not- I am saying they are not Charlie Kirk fans
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Sep 13, 2025, 8:55 AM
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And won’t not go to a university because of their statements. Now you may not want that kind of student at Clemson personally but that doesn’t matter in the end when it comes to their choices
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Re: Of course not- I am saying they are not Charlie Kirk fans
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Sep 13, 2025, 9:02 AM
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What many state as the reason for coming is the family atmosphere and how much the Clemson experience will help them in life. It may be debatable as to whether what we offer is beginning to lose some luster and becoming a bit frayed around the edges.
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CU Medallion [19088]
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Re: Of course not- I am saying they are not Charlie Kirk fans
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Sep 13, 2025, 2:06 PM
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One of the professors posted “be a Tyler Robinson”. That is a literal call to murder. Your initial post seems to suggest our recruits might be on that side of a “Kirk/professor” debate. Kirk - whose entire schtick was debating college kids - can’t debate because he was murdered solely over his beliefs. Employees at Clemson openly endorse that. You need to wrap your head around what the really means and the second/third/etc effects that will lead to.
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Re: Of course not- I am saying they are not Charlie Kirk fans
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Sep 13, 2025, 2:13 PM
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Doesn’t matter if a fan of Kirk or not. No one deserves to die for their beliefs. Anyone celebrating on social media is not a good person. It’s as simple as that
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CU Medallion [19061]
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i think its more of
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clemsons silence is loud. it states that they support a professor who would celebrate if my conservative recruit son was murdered. also tells other employees who may be conservative. that clemson supports them working along side someone who would love to see them dead
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Rival Killer [2999]
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I think
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Sep 13, 2025, 8:54 AM
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The last two posters totally missed what the first two posters said.
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National Champion [7195]
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Clemson already said the statements do not reflect Clemson values
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so if recruits agree with the professor, this ain't the place to come.
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National Champion [7591]
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They would make the same statement on some of what Kirk had said
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Sep 13, 2025, 9:00 AM
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If a professor had said that the civil rights movement was a mistake, that MLK was not so good for the country, and some of his more radical statements. If Kirk was an employee of clemson- the admin would have put out the same. Now, some of Kirk’s statements would have hurt recruiting if the university had not said anything more than the professor’s.
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National Champion [7195]
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I don't disagree. But Kirk was not a university employee. Professors are
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Sep 13, 2025, 9:08 AM
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charged with educating young impressionable minds. Dancing on someone's grave, regardless of politics is not cool, especially if you are a "teacher". It calls into question what exactly are you teaching
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CU Medallion [19061]
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if you can convince someone
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Sep 13, 2025, 9:30 AM
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that the folks they oppose politically are evil. then you can convince them to do anything.
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Orange Blooded [2140]
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Re: They would make the same statement on some of what Kirk had said
Sep 13, 2025, 9:10 AM
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I don't think big time football recruits are going to care much about either honestly. Much like having buildings named after notorious segregationists hasn't affected recruiting, statements from individual professors aren't going to affect recruiting.
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National Champion [7195]
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especially these days, when its basically, show me the money and not much else.***
Sep 13, 2025, 9:11 AM
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Orange Beast [6519]
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He actually did
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Sep 13, 2025, 2:26 PM
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He called the Civil Rights Act of 1964 a huge mistake. Ad a black man, that sort of rhetoric pisses me off.
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National Champion [7195]
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as an aside, the context of what I read Kirk said about civil rights
Sep 13, 2025, 9:34 AM
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Kirk claimed the federal government was coming after students' free speech "using the mid-1960s Civil Rights Act that was passed with good intentions" as now a permanent diversity, equity and inclusion-type bureaucracy.
I don't know what was or wasn't in Kirk's heart or head. I'm not defending his statements or arguments, however I do believe context matters and media slants views to fit their narrative.
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Re: Recruits and their families dont stand on the issues with many here
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Of course not. But if it were a "right wing" professor advocating for violence against the left, I'm about 100% sure you'd have a problem with it.
See how the game is played?
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National Champion [7591]
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Re: Recruits and their families dont stand on the issues with many here
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I never said I didn’t have a problem with it. Where did you get that? All the folks many would consider to be on the “left” that I’ve communicated are NOT advocating violence. There is more of a “chickens coming home to roost” thing than- he should have been killed or it was good. See Malcolm X’s (please don’t reject me cause I cited Malcolm x) interview after the death of JFK to get the chickens coming home to roost statement. I personally DON’T agree with consoling myself or feeling righteous through the MalcolmX quote. I am simply giving context for those who don’t have it. So don’t attack me- cause I have a more complex take on it like most of us here.
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Game Day Hero [4328]
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I want a team, university, society
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Sep 13, 2025, 9:05 AM
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That doesn’t condone horrific comments by anyone, much less a professor.
If you want to learn to hate America, the best thing to do is go to a college or university. It’s just a simple fact. By not doing anything about this awful human being, Clemson seems complicate with his comments.
I don’t care if you’re black, white, Asian, Hispanic or other, common decency is not too much to ask. You seem ok with what the professor said, which is an indication you’re not the least bit upset an American citizen was assassinated on a college campus, mainly because he was a white conservative.
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National Champion [7591]
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Never said I agree with what the professor said
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Sep 13, 2025, 9:14 AM
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Why does this keep happening in these discussions? I was explaining why the professor thing wouldn’t hurt recruiting like some have suggested. Wow!!
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Game Day Hero [4328]
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You never said it but you certainly implied it. Just own it.
Sep 13, 2025, 9:53 AM
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It’s obvious that is what you believe.
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Clemson Icon [24725]
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Let Clemsons president, BOT and legal counsel investigate
Sep 13, 2025, 9:11 AM
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And determine the best course of action. I will live with whatever decision they make.
A news article from a right wing organization and unconfirmed allegations on social media may not be a sufficient basis to terminate employment. Let the University go through a “process” that determines all of the relevant facts.
Faceless internet mobs on the internet or otherwise calling for “action “ against a Black man
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Clemson Icon [24725]
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To complete my last sentence
Sep 13, 2025, 9:21 AM
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….. taking action based on a faceless internet mob may create its own negative imagery and ramifications.
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Clemson Icon [24173]
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TIME FOR YOUR KIND TO SHUT THEIR PIEHOLES
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It's unbelievable that we are actually having these types of discussions about an American or any American that has been assassinated. It's totally absurd.
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Re: Recruits and their families dont stand on the issues with many here
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If our recruits support cold blooded murder like the Clemson professors then I don't want them. I don't care what color they are
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MVP [546]
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What a completely tone deaf take.
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Re: Recruits and their families dont stand on the issues with many here
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Congrats on being a BLACK racist.
Also, in case you hadn't gotten the memo Americans are done listening to people like you.
Your opinions no longer matter. So, step aside my feeble-minded friend, the adults are in-charge.
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Legend [6743]
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We do not care about recruits, we do the right thing
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if someone does not want to come to Clemson because we value law and order, free speech, debate, morality, etc., then we do not want them anyway.
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Clemson Icon [24725]
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Free speech may indeed be the issue***
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Orange Beast [6542]
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Re: Free speech may indeed be the issue***
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When you sign an employment contract you're essentially signing your rights away to free speech as it relates to making public comments about your personal opinions.
Employers can fire your for "cause" for making public comments they don't agree with for a myriad of reasons (Twitter,Facebook, Radio,Internet, etc...).
Clemson can fire people for the same, and probably win in their case in a court of law.
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Clemson Icon [24725]
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Probably can slide one way or the other based upon evidence
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There are financial costs and public relations considerations with legal proceedings. The individuals impacted may make compelling witnesses. Past practice can be brought into play _ as in have there been any similar instances where employers have been retained or terminated based upon social media comments. Are the alleged comments taken out of context?
My guess there will be some sort of negotiated, mutual separation and the professors will get paid to end of term or contract.
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Re: Recruits and their families dont stand on the issues with many here
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Why do we assume that recruits and their families view the Kirk/professor issue like some on here do? I don’t get the arrogance. As an African American with some pulse on what black folks think about these things- unless you want an all conservative white team- don’t worry about the inaction on the professor/kirk stuff affecting us.
You assume Black people are liberals. If certain Black players want to align with ANTIFA, we don't want them on our team.
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National Champion [7591]
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I am an alumnus and $upporter of Clemson. you should say I not we
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YOU don’t want them on Clemson’s team!! You can’t be that fascist about the team please!!
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And there it is fascist. The lefts favorite word when they dont agree
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Your TDS revealed.
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Orange Blooded [2102]
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You dont even know what that means. I stand by my previous
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Comment, you are the problem not any of us. Saying watch out, someone feelings might get hurt and they might not come here cause they don't want us standing up against actually these horrible people. Give me a break. Actually using skin color in this debate is also ignorant, just look at the many NFL black players speaking out against these people.
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Re: I am an alumnus and $upporter of Clemson. you should say I not we
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YOU don’t want them on Clemson’s team!! You can’t be that fascist about the team please!!
You’re calling fellow Tnetters Fascist now? Wow you people suck
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Some things are bigger than Football or even Clemson for that matter.***
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Orange Blooded [2102]
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Dont give a crap what color you are if you dont stand
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On the correct side on this. Go somewhere else I don’t care. I could care less about football or anyone else’s feelings at them moment. I’m sick and dang tired of people that are on that side supporting and not calling out those that use the term nazi and hitler when it’s a freaking lie. Halle the President was shot, schools are being shot up by trans, Charlie had is throat blown out in front of his kids. Screw those recruits then.
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Sep 13, 2025, 2:15 PM
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It won’t hurt recruiting a bit. If Clemson has to condone murder to keep the mediocre program high mediocre, why not, right? Coming in 2nd in the ACC is way, way more important than producing decent alumni.
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Legend [7096]
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I find it offensive to assume our recruits agree with murder
Sep 13, 2025, 2:17 PM
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This isnt about difference or opinion, its about murder. And anyone that celebrates it is a POS.
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Re: Recruits and their families dont stand on the issues with many here
Sep 13, 2025, 2:21 PM
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It shouldn’t be about the recruits. It should be a question of whether or not the professor’s behavior is consistent with Clemson standards, practices, values, etc. If not then deal with it. Not all words are the same and everything isn’t a fireable offense. Some are.
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Re: Recruits and their families dont stand on the issues with many here
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Great take. Agree with and allow evil people to spread their vile drivel for the sake of some recruits. Great morality there.
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