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TigerNet HOFer [125867]
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question for conservatives
May 4, 2017, 6:12 PM
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Under the new healthcare proposal, rates for older people are expected to increase dramatically. Being that this will disproportionately affect conservative voters over younger, liberal voters, how was this a win? What do you think will happen in two years when the rates not only go up, but go up significantly for older voters? I find the political calculus on this one dumbfounding.
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Varsity [110]
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They'll just get them afraid of brown people again and carry
May 4, 2017, 6:15 PM
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on with business as usual.
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TigerNet HOFer [125867]
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Re: They'll just get them afraid of brown people again and carry
May 4, 2017, 6:21 PM
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again?
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Tiger Spirit [9865]
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Re: question for conservatives
May 4, 2017, 6:28 PM
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Please define "older people"
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TigerNet HOFer [125867]
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Re: question for conservatives
May 4, 2017, 6:29 PM
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that is for the insurance companies to decide, not me.
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Tiger Spirit [9865]
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Re: question for conservatives
May 4, 2017, 6:33 PM
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Your post:
"rates for older people are expected to increase dramatically"?
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TigerNet HOFer [125867]
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Re: question for conservatives
May 4, 2017, 6:36 PM
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yes, dramatically, as opposed to gradually. these are called words.
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Tiger Spirit [9865]
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Re: question for conservatives
May 4, 2017, 6:53 PM
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Speaking of "words" what does your post mean? See former question!
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TigerNet HOFer [125867]
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Re: question for conservatives
May 4, 2017, 7:00 PM
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it means republicans are screwing over a key voting demographic. If they are trying to flip the house back to the Dems in 2018, this is a good start.
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CU Medallion [19551]
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as long old people do what's right, they won't get sick.
May 4, 2017, 6:44 PM
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duh.
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TigerNet HOFer [125867]
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Re: as long old people do what's right, they won't get sick.
May 4, 2017, 6:50 PM
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more reason to euthanize the elderly and infirmed, they are a drain on the system, and they vote republican.
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All-Time Great [90065]
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No no no . Put my plan in place.
May 5, 2017, 10:00 AM
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At 80, you get free whiskey and Marlboros. If you aren' dead by 85, kill ya' then.
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Orange Blooded [2487]
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TigerNet HOFer [125867]
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Re: Gotta buy less iPhones***
May 5, 2017, 9:29 PM
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frank luntz is that you?
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TigerNet Vanguard [223435]
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You mean it's going to cost more for people...
May 4, 2017, 7:25 PM
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who use and need health care more often? WOW THAT'S SO CRAZY!
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Orange Immortal [60632]
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What's the purpose of insurance then?***
May 4, 2017, 7:49 PM
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TigerNet Vanguard [223435]
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Huh?
May 4, 2017, 7:50 PM
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A few weeks ago, tbalm was going on about how health insurance should be more like owning and maintaining a car.
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TigerNet HOFer [125867]
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Re: Huh?
May 4, 2017, 7:55 PM
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no I didnt, you have me confused with a tv show you watched stoned, or another poster.
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TigerNet Vanguard [223435]
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Yes you did.
May 4, 2017, 7:56 PM
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You compared maintaining health to that of maintaining your vehicle.
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TigerNet HOFer [125867]
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Re: Yes you did.
May 4, 2017, 8:01 PM
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No, I was comparing the COSTS of not maintaining your vehicle with not maintaining your health. And this was months ago. Being that if you let either slide, that it will cost you MORE in the long rung.
Notice comparing COSTS, is not comparing people to cars like you claimed. Nuance is a tricky thing for some I guess.
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TigerNet Vanguard [223435]
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It was when the first reform got shot down.
May 4, 2017, 8:06 PM
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It still doesn't make sense to compare a vehicle to a human being.
But oh well.
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TigerNet HOFer [125867]
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Re: It was when the first reform got shot down.
May 4, 2017, 8:13 PM
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Example
Joe notices his oil light comes on his car, because he can not afford an oil change he decided to keep driving anyway. Several months later his car breaks down and the mechanic informs him that his engine will need to be replaced. Had Joe just changed his oil, it would have cost him less.
Peter is feeling tired and sluggish and has a tough focusing at work. Because he does not have health insurance, he decides not to visit the doctor to have tests run. Several months later Peter's wife finds him on the floor passed out and has him rushed to the emergency room. Peter finds out that he has been carrying Hep C since his time in the brothel when he fought in Korea. Had he gotten routine blood work done he could have treated it with medication, instead he will need a liver transplant.
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TigerNet Vanguard [223435]
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lol. Apples and oranges.***
May 4, 2017, 8:14 PM
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TigerNet HOFer [125867]
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Re: lol. Apples and oranges.***
May 4, 2017, 8:17 PM
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what would be the point of comparing apples to apples, they are exactly the same.
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Tiger Titan [50675]
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Orange Immortal [60632]
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There's no reason not to compare then except for
May 4, 2017, 8:22 PM
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when the comparison doesn't work. Car insurance doesn't cover maintenance, so that doesn't really work. The way car insurance and health insurance works is the same, though. They both use the money from customers who don't need the service to cover the costs of the customers who do.
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Orange Immortal [60632]
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*compare them***
May 4, 2017, 8:24 PM
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TigerNet Vanguard [223435]
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TigerNet Immortal [176673]
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Right, and actuarily, if you are in a group
May 5, 2017, 1:01 AM
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Or location that gets in more wrecks or gets broken into more often, you pay more.
Much like the way health and life insurance have worked since they were invented.
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Orange Immortal [60632]
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Ok. Well be that as it may...
May 4, 2017, 7:59 PM
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the way insurance works is the people who pay for it, but aren't using it are providing the revenue that pays out to the people who pay for it and need it. So if you cut the people who don't need it out of the equation, then... how does it work exactly?
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Tiger Titan [50675]
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sounds like social security***
May 4, 2017, 8:00 PM
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Orange Immortal [60632]
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If that's the idea, then they should expand Medicare.
May 4, 2017, 6:16 PM
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But what about young people who suddenly need serious medical care? I have a cousin who needed an appendectomy in the '90s when she was in her 20s and she didn't have insurance. And I have an uncle who died from leukemia at 18, so age isn't necessarily the best metric.
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Ultimate Tiger [36428]
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What cousin?***
May 5, 2017, 1:53 PM
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TigerNet Vanguard [223435]
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Orange Immortal [60632]
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Well it's not insurance anymore.
May 4, 2017, 8:14 PM
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You have to call it something else like, "old sick person subsidy."
I guess people who are younger and seemingly healthy will pay less than people who are sick and old. How would that work based on the conventional health insurance model?
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Varsity [110]
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Ooh I know.
May 4, 2017, 8:25 PM
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It doesn't.
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What with cell phone telephones and internets, why have it
May 4, 2017, 8:02 PM
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until you need it? I'm just going to keep that sweet sweet cash and then enroll with my smartphone while the ambulance takes me to the hospital if I get hit by a car.
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TigerNet HOFer [125867]
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TigerNet Vanguard [223435]
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Re: You mean it's going to cost more for people...
May 4, 2017, 7:52 PM
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They do ask how much you drive. lol. Go apply with a different company and you'll see.
Also, age and incidents.
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TigerNet HOFer [125867]
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Re: You mean it's going to cost more for people...
May 4, 2017, 7:54 PM
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I have never had my insurance company ask me how OFTEN I drive. Some but not all will ask how long your commute is.
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Tiger Titan [50675]
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here they ask your anual mileage
May 4, 2017, 7:55 PM
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but once i answered they never asked again
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TigerNet Vanguard [223435]
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TigerNet HOFer [125867]
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Re: They ask how many miles you drive per day on average.***
May 4, 2017, 7:56 PM
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but not how OFTEN you drive, correct?
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TigerNet Vanguard [223435]
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If you drive 10 miles per day that is not very often.
May 4, 2017, 7:59 PM
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If you drive 100 miles per day that is very often. Does that not make sense to you?
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Tiger Titan [50675]
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he's saying each trip might be 1 time behind the wheel
May 4, 2017, 8:01 PM
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so oftenness is a tie
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TigerNet Vanguard [223435]
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I am often driving during my day.
May 4, 2017, 8:02 PM
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Re: I am often driving during my day.
May 5, 2017, 11:44 PM
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my apologies beefie, I just transferred off my New Hampshire car insurance because I bought a new car today. State farm here told me, and I quote, "We do things differently in NC". I was not happy with the rate they quoted me so they offered to give me and app and a device I keep in my glove box to determine how many miles I put on my car to lower said rate. I was wrong, in this state. Too bad for them my commute 1 way is 1/2 of a mile.
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Re: I am often driving during my day.
May 5, 2017, 11:55 PM
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You hate the racist south so much. Why do you come back? This is twice now.
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TigerNet HOFer [125867]
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Re: I am often driving during my day.
May 6, 2017, 12:02 AM
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my mom lives is lexington. she is in and out of the hospital. But truth be told paws, I am liking it Ok here.
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Tiger Titan [50675]
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Re: i am an older car and don't need repairs more often
May 4, 2017, 8:06 PM
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as are you health insurance premiums. Bets of luck, you are of the few older conservative I do not want deaded.
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TigerNet Vanguard [223435]
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Most "old" people I know are dems.
May 4, 2017, 8:08 PM
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Besides my parents, and Henry. But he's not THAT old.
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TigerNet HOFer [125867]
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Re: Most "old" people I know are dems.
May 4, 2017, 8:18 PM
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I keep forgetting that the people you know are indicative of the entire country.
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TigerNet Vanguard [223435]
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For the most part, yes.
May 4, 2017, 8:29 PM
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There just isn't a huge percentage of more older pubs over older dems over the past 25 years.
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Orange Blooded [2487]
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So wrong***
May 5, 2017, 12:22 AM
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Re Those Roosevelt Democrats have been long gone. About the
May 5, 2017, 11:53 AM
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time GM quit making the Olds 88.
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Tiger Titan [50675]
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CU Medallion [20960]
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Is this another one of those "we have to pass it to see what
May 4, 2017, 10:59 PM
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is in it" situations? "Older" people do need to be defined, specifically. But, I do know that health insurance rates DRAMATICALLY climb for some older people already - you know, those moving away from their parents insurance and on to their own. SO, are these the older folks who will see even more of an increase?
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Re: Is this another one of those "we have to pass it to see what
May 5, 2017, 9:28 PM
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from what I have seen today, 60-64.99 will get hit the hardest. I imagine in a state with a high prevalence of diabetes, it could be younger. Also, Ryan has been pushing to raise the age of eligibility for medicare for a while now. Maybe this is what he means by phase two in healthcare reform.
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If the left is crying I'm feeling good.
May 5, 2017, 12:39 AM
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Old people have medicare.
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Varsity [110]
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Welfare kings***
May 5, 2017, 10:10 AM
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [104989]
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They paid their entire working lives and now they collect.***
May 5, 2017, 11:32 AM
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Ultimate Tiger [36428]
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And some didn't, but they'll get paid too.***
May 5, 2017, 1:55 PM
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Re: question for conservatives
May 5, 2017, 10:48 AM
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You spelled conservatives wrong.
conservtards*
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110%er [6272]
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So you're saying liberals die younger.
May 6, 2017, 6:35 AM
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God I hope so!!
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110%er [3633]
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Life insurance should be the same, whether 1 or 90 years old***
May 6, 2017, 7:04 AM
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