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Orange Elite [5161]
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Old school beats new school. Again.
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I like that story line.
It's the story of a principled head coach who has not yet sold out to all the addlebrained pundits, harpies and skells demanding that he adapt or die. Including many of you.
It's the story of him delivering yet another 10-win, ACC champion, playoff team.
Of his "lousy" DC scheming down one of the nation's top offensive units.
Of his "pathetic" OC finding a way to win despite not having an every down RB to work with.
Of his historically-bad FG unit turning around and making history.
I suspect the story will end in a couple of weeks. I don't see this team advancing deep into the playoff.
But it's been a great story, and a great ride.
Go Tigers.
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Varsity [104]
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"Principles"???
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Addicted to a model that violated federal laws, that exploited athletes, and that was corrupt to the core.
That is the polar opposite of "principled".
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Re: "Principles"???
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Good grief. Players were paid with an education and they knew how the game was played before they agreed. They want that shot at the NFL and college is the only way. If you didn't want to play for a scholly you had the choice not to play. These players should be grateful for the opportunity. Now I do agree that they should be able to market their name but I do not agree with it being paying players. If they want that kind of money to play then they should be forced to sign a contract.
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Tiger Spirit [9859]
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They got a lot more than just their tuition paid for too!***
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Game Changer [1796]
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Every p4 CFB player was/is treated..
Dec 9, 2024, 11:45 AM
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like kings on and off campus, comped everything, paying for nothing plus tuition plus stipend. Exploited booephinghoo, you must be desperately infatuated with a player the way your heart bleeds for them, teetering betwixt idle worship and psychotic obsession-
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@bluffington****
Dec 9, 2024, 11:50 AM
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Orange Elite [5161]
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I've known a couple of former p4 players.
Dec 9, 2024, 1:07 PM
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They weren't treated like kings at all. They got their butts handed to them every day in practice by the starters and had to make their grades and attend the meetings and do all the work for absolutely zero glory.
And they were extremely humble and grateful for the experience, and the education they received in return.
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Varsity [104]
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Too many TNetters addicted to that canard, including you.
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The players were exploited and anyone that says that anyone that benefitted it is "principles" is ignorant at best and lying at worst.
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Paw Warrior [4830]
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Re: Too many TNetters addicted to that canard, including you.
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Dec 8, 2024, 1:59 PM
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You are certified 🥜
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Hall of Famer [8251]
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Re: Too many TNetters addicted to that canard, including you.
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accidental TD meant for post above, sending TNet coins
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Varsity [104]
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You are FOS and out of touch.
Dec 9, 2024, 12:55 PM
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"Nowhere else in America can businesses get away with agreeing not to pay their workers a fair market rate on the theory that their product is defined by not paying their workers a fair market rate
Under ordinary principles of antitrust law, it is not evident why college sports should be any different."
"The NCAA is not above the law."
SCOTUS Justice Brett Kavanaugh
Concurring opinion
NCAA vs Alston
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Ultimate Tiger [33525]
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Re: Too many TNetters addicted to that canard, including you.
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Dec 9, 2024, 10:53 AM
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Careful… that may also be against federal laws as well as unconstitutional. Hahahaha
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Ultimate Tiger [33525]
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Re: Too many TNetters addicted to that canard, including you.
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Dec 9, 2024, 12:51 PM
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He won’t be able to hear it all the way up there on that high moral ground.
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Varsity [104]
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You obviously low moral ground stakeholders obviously
Dec 9, 2024, 1:01 PM
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can't understand it. There's this thing called the ability to discern. You should go to school and learn it.
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Varsity [104]
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Re: Too many TNetters addicted to that canard, including you.
Dec 9, 2024, 12:58 PM
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and judicial decisions simply put you in the wrong side of the issue.
Funny how every other FBS staff and Dan base has figured it out except the anachronisms among ours.
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Re: Too many TNetters addicted to that canard, including you.
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I'd like to be exploited like they were. It would be terrible to go to college for free and have your pick of the prettiest girls on campus. Poor things.
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Orange Elite [5161]
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Exploitation as an adjective is one of the favored
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Dec 8, 2024, 4:03 PM
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dog whistles of this ilk.
Caveat emptor is a very large part of life, including the decision to play college football. I don't disagree with Justice Roberts about the model being broken, but, to call it exploitative is to completely misunderstand the issues that gave rise to the lawsuits that ended with the SCOTUS ruling.
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Varsity [104]
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Legend [6990]
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Re: Too many TNetters addicted to that canard, including you.
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Dec 8, 2024, 4:02 PM
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Terrible take.
A HC can be principled in both the previous and current landscape. They didn’t create the NCAA system or force them not to adapt.
Are you trying to say anyone who benefited under the old system had no principles?
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Ultimate Tiger [33525]
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Re: "Principles"???
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Dec 8, 2024, 3:45 PM
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This is getting to be as tiresome as the guy that had an obsession with anyone who referred to our softball team as ladies. Your holier than thou, arrogant approach sounds real similar too. Scock?
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Valley Protector [1469]
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Re: "Principles"???
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Dec 8, 2024, 3:55 PM
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Addicted to a model that violated federal laws, that exploited athletes, and that was corrupt to the core.
That is the polar opposite of "principled".
You are so over the top with your comments.
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All-Pro [784]
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Re: "Principles"???
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Exploited athletes….ha ha ha. Athletes were standing in line to play college ball and still are at small schools where nobody ever gets anything other than the chance to play and maybe some free tuition. You “victimizers” are hilarious.
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Re: "Principles"???
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I don’t post on here a lot. But I just wanted to chime in and say. Dude you get on my nerves.
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Rival Killer [2721]
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Yes he does***
Dec 9, 2024, 11:12 AM
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Rival Killer [2721]
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This is a leap of non-logic I didn't see coming***
Dec 9, 2024, 11:10 AM
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TigerNet Immortal [176434]
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Ill be more in agreement on the "principled" thing
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Dec 8, 2024, 9:20 AM
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When he stops using staff positions as de facto pension plans for family and friends.
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Orange Elite [5161]
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Eh. I could see folks beefing with him
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Dec 8, 2024, 1:24 PM
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on the basis of his hires being a little too optimistic. Which would make him naive. Or on the basis of them being a little short on experience. Which leaves him open to criticism.
But it'd be a frosty Friday before anyone in the football community would say Swinney lacks principles.
And it'd be another frosty Friday to say Swinney's the only coach in football to place the people he knows and trusts in key positions.
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Hall of Famer [8225]
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Re: Old school beats new school. Again.
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It’s a good take. Changes need to happen, but Dabo did deliver another ACC championship and I would say makes a successful season and a great story
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Ultimate Tiger [33525]
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Re: Old school beats new school. Again.
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Dec 8, 2024, 3:50 PM
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Winning on a walk-off 56 yard field goal after all our kicking problems this year makes the story that much better.
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Orange Elite [5161]
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We all sat speechless. Couldn't even yell.
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Dec 8, 2024, 3:52 PM
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Just a great moment.
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Ultimate Tiger [33525]
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Re: We all sat speechless. Couldn't even yell.
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Dec 8, 2024, 3:55 PM
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We yelled and jumped up and down and hugged each other and just flat out celebrated for several minutes! It was a great moment. Were you at the game? We were in section 543.
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Orange Elite [5161]
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We stayed home.
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Dec 8, 2024, 4:06 PM
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And were just flat exhausted by then. We considered going but having sat frozen in the shade through the Carolina game, we decided to watch from the couch.
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Ultimate Tiger [33525]
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Re: We stayed home.
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Dec 8, 2024, 4:15 PM
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It was a fantastic moment. The energy kind of reminded me of the end of some games in 2015/2016 when we were just happy to be there. It was fun. Felt like we should have been heading back to Death Valley for a pizza party today.
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CU Medallion [20857]
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I did not suffer that issue.
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Dec 8, 2024, 3:59 PM
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My buddies and I were a pretty loud bunch when the refs eyed each other and put their arms up. Couldn't really tell from the TV angle other than it was straight on.
Really remarkable moment and the significance made it that much more so.
Still wowing and thankful our boys made enough plays to come out on top. SMU is very talented and considering Penn State's inability to capture the big ones I could easily see them taking that game there.
Great Tigers sports weekend.
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National Champion [7902]
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It really is a Miracle!!!!
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Nm
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Orange Elite [5161]
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Don't know about that.
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Dec 8, 2024, 1:56 PM
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But it was a great game and has been a great season.
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It was a good season, but it wasn't a great season***
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Orange Elite [5161]
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I would think you of all people would consider a CFP berth
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Dec 8, 2024, 3:38 PM
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a great outcome, not just a good one, given your prolific criticism of virtually every facet of the football program.
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CU Medallion [18160]
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You just got here though right?***
Dec 8, 2024, 4:30 PM
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Orange Elite [5161]
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Not sure where "here" is?
Dec 9, 2024, 10:47 AM
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Been on the earth for a minute.
Been a Clemson fan for a couple decades.
Been on TNETS for a few months.
Not that it matters -- I checked several of your posts before writing mine.
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CU Medallion [18160]
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I don't know who you think you're fooling...What handle did you use before this
Dec 9, 2024, 2:02 PM
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one? CaptainCall was right, you are definitely a RAG scok...Don't bother acting like you just got here or that you checked several of my posts before responding, the charade is over
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Orange Elite [5161]
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I've been a passive reader for a while now.
Dec 10, 2024, 10:08 AM
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But only ponied up some dough to signup and participate a few months back.
So what I'm getting from you is that if someone shows an ability to do a modicum of research (as I did on you), and a willingness to engage with you in a way that does not coddle your narrative, that person is a "RAG scok .." (whatever that is).
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CU Medallion [18160]
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Nope...that dog ain't hunting***
Dec 10, 2024, 3:51 PM
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Orange Elite [5161]
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Ok. Sounds good.
Dec 10, 2024, 4:34 PM
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Carry on.
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CU Medallion [18160]
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So what handle did you go by before this one?***
Dec 10, 2024, 4:35 PM
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Tiger Titan [50665]
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Making the CFP doesn't mean what it used to.
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Dec 9, 2024, 11:02 AM
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Making the 12 team playoff should be one of our season goals, and should be celebrated.
However, it's clear that our program has declined the last few years, and winning a weak football conference and getting an automatic bid to the expanded CFP doesn't mean that we still don't have major issues with our program.
Of course, this is assuming that our goal is to be an elite football program and compete for national championships, as was the case from 2015-2020. If not, please let us know so we can revise our expectations (and thus, how we financially support the program).
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Re: Making the CFP doesn't mean what it used to.
Dec 9, 2024, 12:54 PM
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And a guest appearance by Debbie Downer.
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Thanks, I'm here all week.
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Dec 9, 2024, 1:07 PM
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Don't forget to tip your server.
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Orange Elite [5161]
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Neither does making the Elite 8.
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But we'd probably all still be pretty thrilled about it, and probably wouldn't be taking the time to diss the head basketball coach and the direction of the b-ball program until well into the offseason when such things are put front and center.
In other words, stop being so Jungian about the football program, and, as the nameless Colonel from Full Metal Jacket suggested, jump on the team and come on in for the big win.
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Tiger Titan [50665]
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I'm not taking orders from someone who just joined 7 months ago.
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Back in line, private.
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CU Medallion [18160]
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He's been here for years, he just needed a new handle for some reason***
Dec 9, 2024, 2:04 PM
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Paw Warrior [4605]
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Re: Old school beats new school. Again.
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Now we get to play the NY Yankees of new school in Austin. Could make for great drama. They make sports movies about these kinds of matchups if we win.
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Orange Elite [5161]
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It would indeed.
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Re: Old school beats new school. Again.
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Your closing kind of sums it up for me. Do we want to just make the playoffs or do we want to win championships? In large part, our consistent success was because of superior talent during those years. We attracted that talent on our values and culture that few could match. Now the attractions have changed as evidenced by the loss of 7 previously committed high talent recruits.
Everything has its seasons and now the seasons have changed. We still have tremendous assets but I’m not sure they are enough by themselves to keep us elite and competitive for the grand prize.
Dabo is a smart guy and he ultimately has to determine the best course of action moving forward.
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Orange Elite [5161]
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I agree that Swinney is a smart dude and solid HC.
Dec 9, 2024, 1:03 PM
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And from where I stand, it's okay to extend trust in his way of approaching the many complicated and complex issues confronting the top-tier football programs of today.
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CU Medallion [18839]
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I was surprised to hear on the replay that all 5 of their OL starters were
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transfers. I would think that would make recruiting from high schools very difficult!
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Re: I was surprised to hear on the replay that all 5 of their OL starters were
Dec 9, 2024, 12:56 PM
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18 or 19 of their 22 offensive and defensive starters were transfers. Lots of oil money in TX….
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On that we can and will agree.
Dec 10, 2024, 10:16 AM
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Texas casts a pretty wide recruiting net.
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