|
Replies: 25
| visibility 1
|
Orange Blooded [3742]
TigerPulse: 95%
Posts: 4199
Joined: 10/11/12
|
Pretty obvious why Cade didn't come in Sat or has passed DJ
Nov 27, 2022, 1:09 PM
|
|
on the depth chart. They didn't pull DJ yesterday because we had a lead for practically the entire game. Dabo thought we had enough of a cushion and the running game was good enough for us to manage the game to a win if the Defense did it's job. He usually has a pretty good feel, but this time he was wrong.
I think everybody knows Cade is more accurate and more of a playmaker than DJ, but it's clear to me that his issue is taking care of the ball. Dabo know this teams isn't good enough to overcome turnovers vs good competition. I think he'd rather have 1 QB the the fan base dislikes instead of 2. I think he also wants us to have a clean slate for Cade next year (I believe everybody knows this is DJ's last year) instead of exposing his warts and growing pains this year.
|
|
|
|
 |
CU Medallion [57147]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 39693
Joined: 11/12/04
|
Re: Pretty obvious why Cade didn't come in Sat or has passed DJ
Nov 27, 2022, 1:10 PM
|
|
Good thing Dabo avoided turnovers by keeping Cade out yesterday.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Orange Blooded [3742]
TigerPulse: 95%
Posts: 4199
Joined: 10/11/12
|
The coaches feel DJ can protect a lead better Cade
Nov 27, 2022, 1:25 PM
|
|
If we were behind at halftime by 2 or 3 TDs, I don't think Dabo hesitates to pull the trigger. At that point you have nothing to lose. However, if you have a lead, it's harder to pull the veteran guy and replace him with a guy that's cold off the bench that has likely proven to have been less steady in practice.
The only issue is that Cade maybe one of those QBs that's more of a gamer. It would have been nice to have seen DJ miss a game or two to really see what Cade could do with extensive playing time.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Asst Coach [719]
TigerPulse: 81%
Posts: 625
Joined: 12/1/21
|
Re: The coaches feel DJ can protect a lead better Cade
Nov 27, 2022, 1:28 PM
|
|
So only put in a true freshman in last ditch situations with seemingly insurmountable odds?
|
|
|
|
|
|
CU Guru [1133]
TigerPulse: 99%
Posts: 1415
Joined: 10/21/20
|
Re: The coaches feel DJ can protect a lead better Cade
Nov 27, 2022, 1:46 PM
[ in reply to The coaches feel DJ can protect a lead better Cade ] |
|
He should at least have a set of plays he’s comfortable running and come in a drive or two for a change of pace
|
|
|
|
|
|
Orange Blooded [2140]
TigerPulse: 92%
Posts: 1393
Joined: 8/15/06
|
|
|
|
|
|
CU Guru [1133]
TigerPulse: 99%
Posts: 1415
Joined: 10/21/20
|
Re: Pretty obvious why Cade didn't come in Sat or has passed DJ
Nov 27, 2022, 1:48 PM
|
|
The pick with 7 mins left when Shipley just ran a good 6 yard run and had to be tackled by a face mask was bad.. no need to take that shot on first down when your back is still getting huge chunks of yards
|
|
|
|
|
|
Orange Blooded [3369]
TigerPulse: 84%
Posts: 4591
Joined: 7/31/18
|
Re: Pretty obvious why Cade didn't come in Sat or has passed DJ
Nov 27, 2022, 1:22 PM
|
|
If I was Cade I’m quitting Clemson if I’m not starting next week.
|
|
|
|
|
|
CU Guru [1346]
TigerPulse: 96%
Posts: 2005
Joined: 5/27/12
|
Re: Pretty obvious why Cade didn't come in Sat or has passed DJ
Nov 27, 2022, 1:27 PM
|
|
Hopefully, Cade has more character than you. Entitled little snowflakes rarely make it in this world.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Mascot [23]
TigerPulse: 44%
Posts: 29
Joined: 11/25/22
|
Re: Pretty obvious why Cade didn't come in Sat or has passed DJ
Nov 27, 2022, 1:33 PM
|
|
DJ is literally the equivalent of a football welfare queen. Cade is the quiet and hard-working player being overlooked because of the voodoo trance DJ put on Dabo.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Hall of Famer [24784]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 42524
Joined: 7/31/10
|
Kinda 'raw' but interesting take...***
Nov 27, 2022, 1:49 PM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Orange Blooded [3369]
TigerPulse: 84%
Posts: 4591
Joined: 7/31/18
|
|
|
|
|
|
110%er [7133]
TigerPulse: 96%
Posts: 9692
Joined: 10/6/21
|
Re: Pretty obvious why Cade ... proof of accuracy?
Nov 27, 2022, 1:27 PM
|
|
We're all in agreement that DJU had an awful day yesterday.
But where do you get the notion that Cade is more accurate than DJU (or any of our QBs, for that matter)?
Maybe Cade will become the next iteration of Tom Brady. Let's hope so. But his lack of pocket presence and predilection to leave the pocket and roll right keeps him on the bench.
Despite going through Spring practice (when Dabo mentioned that Cade was mistaken in his belief that he could outrun college LBs and DBs in the same way that he had outrun HS LBs and DBs), and the summer (when Dabo repeated his comment about Cade), there is no evidence that Cade has made the mental adjustment to learn pocket presence.
Certainly in his limited game time, Cade impulsively rolls right when he perceives pressure. He commonly got tackled for loss or no gain.
Fact is that Cade isn't ready yet. He has to get past his predilection to run at the first perception of pressure and learn how to use the pocket his advantage.
That is why DJU played the whole game, and why Cade watched. Cade's accuracy is (for now) an unproven fantasy.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Commissioner [929]
TigerPulse: 95%
Posts: 1219
Joined: 11/30/98
|
Re: Pretty obvious why Cade ... proof of accuracy?
Nov 27, 2022, 1:33 PM
|
|
And what’s your evidence for DJ having better pocket presence or accuracy than Cade? We have a body of work from DJ (which is pathetic) and little to no body of work from Cade because our QB1 has been so bad that we’ve been in close games against weaker teams and didn’t have enough of a lead to get the backups playing time.
Cade could not be worse than DJ was yesterday. Heck I think Hunter Johnson could have led us to victory yesterday against the Coots.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Orange Blooded [3568]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 2974
Joined: 6/24/11
|
Re: Pretty obvious why Cade ... proof of accuracy?
Nov 27, 2022, 1:33 PM
[ in reply to Re: Pretty obvious why Cade ... proof of accuracy? ] |
|
Have you watched Cade he absolutely can outrun college lbs and DEs and has. Dabo said that in the spring game when it's 2 hand touch on the QB in a game might I add that Cade played better than DJ with less of the starters on his team.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Orange Blooded [3742]
TigerPulse: 95%
Posts: 4199
Joined: 10/11/12
|
I've heard the coaches say Cade was accurate
Nov 27, 2022, 1:36 PM
[ in reply to Re: Pretty obvious why Cade ... proof of accuracy? ] |
|
When they talk about DJ they usually say he has a big arm and he works hard. Accuracy doesn't come up very much unprompted. With Cade they usually say he's a ball of energy and that he's accurate. However, I will admit that there is a limited sample size of that in real game situations aside from the 1st game vs GT.
|
|
|
|
|
|
CU Guru [1133]
TigerPulse: 99%
Posts: 1415
Joined: 10/21/20
|
|
|
|
|
|
Orange Blooded [2409]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 1784
Joined: 5/27/14
|
Re: Pretty obvious why Cade ... proof of accuracy?
Nov 27, 2022, 1:56 PM
[ in reply to Re: Pretty obvious why Cade ... proof of accuracy? ] |
|
So what you are saying without actually saying is it that our coaches have not done a good job coaching Cade nor DJ for that matter.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Lot o points [155941]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 65832
Joined: 5/6/13
|
What possible stat between the two has led you to believe
Nov 27, 2022, 1:31 PM
|
|
that Cade is worse at taking care of the ball than DJ?
|
|
|
|
|
|
Orange Blooded [3568]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 2974
Joined: 6/24/11
|
Re: Pretty obvious why Cade didn't come in Sat or has passed DJ
Nov 27, 2022, 1:31 PM
|
|
I'll counter this with Cade could pull the ball on the read options and that was there all game. DJ could not run after he got hit in the hip and the run game suffered. Dabo could easily have pulled DJ and just said it was due to injury and they could've ran the ball every play to victory bc they were selling out to stop Shipley and mafah.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Orange Blooded [3336]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 2847
Joined: 7/10/11
|
Re: Pretty obvious why Cade didn't come in Sat or has passed DJ
Nov 27, 2022, 1:40 PM
|
|
There is absolutely no evidence to suggest Cade would have done worse than 8-29 99yards 1 TD and 1 INT through 4 quarters. Even if the kid ran backwards, I'd still like assume the offense would do better than what we had for the majority of the game. I just don't understand how you can defend DJ being the guy to lead this offense to do what an offense should be doing, which is scoring as often as you can. If you wanna run a offense where you just hand it off and run clock, I'd still give it Cade! DJ is NOT less turnover prone than anybody else on this team. Heck I'd wager he's the most turnover prone on this team. He almost gifted the coots a pick 6 early in the game yesterday. And could've had another pick later in the game. Both dropped by chicken hands but both were gift wrapped for them. DJ is not the QB that should be leading the offense at this point and the evidence has proven that for 2 years now.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Orange Blooded [3336]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 2847
Joined: 7/10/11
|
Re: Pretty obvious why Cade didn't come in Sat or has passed DJ
Nov 27, 2022, 1:48 PM
|
|
This was supposed to be a response to RememberTheDanny not the OP.
|
|
|
|
|
|
CU Guru [1133]
TigerPulse: 99%
Posts: 1415
Joined: 10/21/20
|
Re: Pretty obvious why Cade didn't come in Sat or has passed DJ
Nov 27, 2022, 1:44 PM
|
|
Offense was good enough to run and keep the lead.. Streeter/Swinney decided to put it in the air instead
|
|
|
|
|
|
All-In [31310]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 9125
Joined: 8/31/15
|
Re: Pretty obvious why Cade didn't come in Sat or has passed DJ
Nov 27, 2022, 1:44 PM
|
|
DJ is blowing my mind. Drops a ball right out of his hand with no one in his face. 2-3 passes bounce 10 yards in front of the intended target. Does not put any air under the ball on long fades and consistently overthrows the ones that do not come up woefully short. When he does hit the target it seems to get dropped ( which is not on him). If we have no one more ready to play than what we currently have Clemson is in serious trouble.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Rock Defender [67]
TigerPulse: 81%
Posts: 62
Joined: 10/15/16
|
Re: Pretty obvious why Cade didn't come in Sat or has passed DJ
Nov 27, 2022, 1:51 PM
|
|
It’s not just QB where “ we 2 deep” has dropped off. Across the board we are no longer able to substitute or rotate younger players.
Is it understanding you position responsibility and playbook, lack of player skill or what have you. We no longer are able to play 85 on Saturday. Very concerning and overlooked by everyone.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Orange Blooded [3559]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 4197
Joined: 3/21/06
|
Re: Pretty obvious why Cade didn't come in Sat or has passed DJ
Nov 27, 2022, 1:55 PM
|
|
He would have to try really hard to turn it over more than DJ. You know we always say give the guy a chance, it can’t be any worse….this time it’s true. I honestly can’t think of a worse Division 1 qb than the one we have now
|
|
|
|
|
|
Replies: 25
| visibility 1
|
|
|
50
