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Re: Pretty damning Jan. 6 text messages...
Dec 6, 2022, 5:18 PM
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lol. So, president Biden is responsible for all law-breaking under his term as well? Ok. Lock him up.
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I hope you stretched before making that leap***
Dec 14, 2021, 8:15 AM
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Re: I hope you stretched before making that leap***
Dec 14, 2021, 8:17 AM
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you are literally holding the President responsible for grown men and women breaking the law. I do not see the "stretch"; but then again, I only think logically.
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Re: I hope you stretched before making that leap***
Dec 14, 2021, 8:24 AM
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He is responsible of not doing anything for a couple of hours while the attack was going on. He was flattered and enjoying it. Then before that he was responsible for inciting his cult with absolute bull.
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Re: I hope you stretched before making that leap***
Dec 14, 2021, 8:26 AM
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Soooo, you wanted the President to suit up in riot gear and go knock some heads around? I'll see if Biden does that during the next riot, which should be any day now. If he doesn't, I want a COMMITTEE, to look into it.
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Re: I hope you stretched before making that leap***
Dec 14, 2021, 9:56 AM
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No, but he should have sent out a tweet to his idiots to stop the violence way before 5ish. And before you say it would have done no good, I saw a video where the Q Shaman was telling everybody to leave because Dear Leader had asked them to in the "We Love You, but leave" video. Anyway, the way it's going, it will ALL come out and we will know exactly why it took the National Guard so long to respond also.
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I think we already know
Dec 14, 2021, 10:00 AM
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Re: I think we already know
Dec 14, 2021, 10:15 AM
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Yep, I hear ya and agree, but the Pentagon is trying to cover it up now and what we really need is for like Gen. Flynn(the brother) to testify that Trump himself told him to delay the guard. Or prove that it was Kash Patel who directed them to and he was at the direction of the WH. Need total PROOF.
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Won't matter. The cult is so deep that even if Trump
Dec 14, 2021, 10:16 AM
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came out and said "yeah I did all this" they still would think it is a body double deep state actor or some bull ####
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Re: Won't matter. The cult is so deep that even if Trump
Dec 14, 2021, 10:29 AM
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LOL, Agreed. But maybe the proof would be enough for the AG (not that he doesn't likely have enough already) to bring this fuckerr up on the TREASON and SEDITION charges that he deserves and have a judge finally put teflon Don exactly where he deserves to be. I know I know ... maybe I'm just wet dreamin. They should have just voted yes on the 2nd impeachment and his political career would be over and we could move on and he could ride his golf cart into the sunset.
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Re: Whataboutwhataboutwhataboutwhatabout.***
Dec 14, 2021, 8:28 AM
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There is no "whatabout". The people responsible for breaking the law are in jail. Something that we can't say for the other 136 riots last year.
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Whataaaaaabbbbboooooooout!!!!!!***
Dec 14, 2021, 8:47 AM
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Only if he ordered them to do it
Dec 14, 2021, 12:14 PM
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Trump spent four years ordering people to break the law. Some went to prison and he’s still not been held accountable. At least the devil will have some fun with him in a year or two.
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Re: Pretty damning Jan. 6 text messages...
Dec 14, 2021, 8:27 AM
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... the ones where they say they want to start hanging the Dem senators in their offices are the worst.
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Certainly damning for the accusation that he planned it.
Dec 14, 2021, 10:27 AM
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I mean it’s Safe to assume that Jr would have been in the loop if that were all part of the plan, instead of sending texts with some degree of panic about what was happening.
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That's quite an extreme position...
Dec 14, 2021, 10:33 AM
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Do people actually think the President planned for that to happen? That doesn't make much sense.
He didn't plan it anymore than the founding fathers planned the Civil War. Actions he took in the months, and even years, prior created the context and culture that eventually culminated in the event. But to say he planned it is pretty ridiculous.
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Yes they do***
Dec 14, 2021, 10:47 AM
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Has it been argued he planned it?
Dec 14, 2021, 10:36 AM
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I think the argument is that he fueled it and pushed it once in place, and he did little to nothing to try to stop it.
He did plan the massive rally to begin with that brought the rabid horde there. That was unprecedented.
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I’ve definitely seen it accused.
Dec 14, 2021, 10:49 AM
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Still, shame on him for not jumping in and holding the Oval Office presser that many seemed to want, but I do feel like these offer some exoneration from this being top-down planned.
Not defending, just pointing out…..
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I think he saw it all as a game (or, more specifically a
Dec 14, 2021, 10:50 AM
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grift). In his mind, he would push all his supporters to a fever pitch with inflammatory rhetoric about stolen elections, send them to the Capitol to make a big show, and then he'd show up to applause and praise, and this would be his big send-off into the private sector where he could start fleecing these saps.
What he was too stupid or arrogant to see, was that people might actually believe the BS he was spinning, and the allegations of stolen elections were so serious that people in a hate delusion might actually take action.
This is probably why Trump never showed up. By the time he was supposed to show up (lol at the morons who thought he was going to march with them), things had spiraled to a point where Trump's handlers knew it would be too dangerous.
Is Trump legally liable for what happened? Probably not. Is he morally responsible? Absolutely. He spun these people up and set them loose. He's also morally responsible for the intentionally deceitful narrative about stolen elections that people still believe to this day.
Honestly though, the most pathetic thing of all are the MAGA folks who still believe this crap, and still give up their money to the people who saw them nothing as rubes with wallets. The cognitive leaps you have to make to think that Trump actually is a good dude, who cares about them and the issues, is astounding in light of what we see and know now. That is why I have such a limited tolerance of MAGA. It's not like they're running off misinformation. The truth is right there in front of them and they make up all manner of excuses not to believe it. Hell, Sydney Powell, the architect of the Stop the Steal elections, gave as her defense against the defamation suit that SHE SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN BELIEVED.
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Spot on.***
Dec 14, 2021, 11:51 AM
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Re: Has it been argued he planned it?
Dec 14, 2021, 12:26 PM
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He absolutely intended it to happen. He intended it to be worse.
He wanted that mob to break in, and hopefully kill some of his enemies in Congress - Pelosi in particular - and I think he wanted Pence gone and a VP who wouldn't defy him (maybe Meadows) elevated in his place.
Then with his biggest enemies removed, he could have declared a state of emergency (for a crisis he of course created!) and at that point, the coup he intended would have been well and truly off to the races.
You'll never convince me that wasn't the intention. It was. And it'll come out at some point.
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This is wrong. He wanted Pence removed from the Capitol
Dec 14, 2021, 12:31 PM
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that way the election did not meet the constitutionality requirements and would be thrown to the house where he could have won.
That was the overall plan.
Have Pence leave which means the certification could not continue which would throw it to the house.
Unfortunately for Trump, right before secret service tried to put Pence in a car to get him away, Pence refused and went back inside.
That moment right there allowed for our democracy to continue.
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Re: Has it been argued he planned it?
Dec 14, 2021, 2:04 PM
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I still don't think Trump was ever smart enough to have a specific plan. I think he was just hoping for chaos all around. What I do think Trump has always been good at is seeing opportunity at the moment it strikes. I think that's what he ultimately saw, and he intentionally didn't take action when the Capitol got stormed.
What he really wanted was an adoring crowd. When they went over the top, he was okay with it and helped fans the flames.
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Re: Has it been argued he planned it?
Dec 14, 2021, 2:41 PM
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I think he intended a lot more than that, Cata. Roger Stone was hanging with the Oath Keepers that very morning and the Oath Keepers and Proud Boys were the ones with the orchestrated plan to get in, and the Oath Keepers had reportedly been doing "reconnaissance tours" with certain members of Congress prior to January 6th; they knew were the members of Congress were even in the Capitol's maze of corridors. Again, the prosecutors are going after the Oath Keepers now. (Once the Oath Keepers' crimes are established and their sentences meted out, I still wonder if certain members of Congress might be facing some sharp questions over their involvement.)
Stone is Trump's dirty-tricks guy, the guy he goes to when he needed something done unofficially and off the books. Stone, you may recall, was the one who delivered the product of Fancy Bear's DNC hack to Julian Assange, for which he got 44 months...Trump then pardoned him and Stone never rolled or that would have been the official Trump/Russia link the MAGA's claim doesn't exist right there. Trump loves that kind of loyalty, has said so publicly many times.
Stone with Oathkeepers:
https://abcnews.go.com/US/video/video-shows-roger-stone-flanked-oath-keepers-morning-75713302
And then later in the day:
Do you really believe in that kind of coincidence? It's right there on the video and in the pictures. There was a plan. Stone was certainly in on it. And he was absolutely operating with Donald's blessing and knowledge.
Trump was hoping stuff went ugly, and he had put some of those "tough people" he so very loves in positions to do violence. And they were absolutely communicating with some of the White House staffers via burner phones.
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/jan-6-rally-organizers-trump-white-house-1262122/
This. Was. Organized. It was absolutely what's called a "self-coup" attempt. And the intent was absolutely there. The more that emerges the more this is becoming clear.
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Re: Certainly damning for the accusation that he planned it.
Dec 14, 2021, 10:36 AM
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It would also be safe to assume that a son could text his father directly. Also, if you haven't figured it out yet, Jr. is an idiot that has been permanently damaged by being raised by a person with malignant narcissistic personality disorder. Bannon was smart enough to know that "all hell was going to break lose".
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Here you go Prodigal.***
Dec 14, 2021, 11:15 AM
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Re: Pretty damning Jan. 6 text messages...
Dec 14, 2021, 11:09 AM
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Why should Trump stop a riot! That's a right according to the constitution. How many riots did the DimLibs try to stop during the 'Summer of Riots in 2020? Ans: zero
JHB
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Re: Pretty damning Jan. 6 text messages...
Dec 14, 2021, 11:41 AM
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This is the best you got? These texts are nothing and will be nothing in any court of law. Failing to act is certainly not the same as obstructing, influencing, or impeding. There is simply no proof of Trump wrongdoing at this point. You can want there to be proof all day long, but there is none.
And for Catahoula® to characterize attendees as a "rabid horde" is all you need to know to confirm he's a liberal hack living in the echo chamber. Some few people, as led by at least one leftist, turned into a small rabid horde, but to suggest rallygoers were a rabid horde is an outright lie plain as day.
And if you believe this
Our democracy was inches from ruin. Our system of government was stretched to the breaking point.
then you believe Maga attacked Jussie.
You people and the politicians you worship have no credibility. None.
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Reality man. Come back to it.
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Dec 14, 2021, 11:57 AM
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And hopefully you haven't drained your savings account funding the "Save Trump!" grift.
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Also really not a good luck for MAGA defending cop killers.***
Dec 14, 2021, 11:58 AM
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Re: Also really not a good luck for MAGA defending cop killers.***
Dec 14, 2021, 12:21 PM
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It was actually a false flag, it was antifa provocateurs and/or FBI plants that did all the violence.
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Honestly, it'd be an improvement if they just picked a
Dec 14, 2021, 12:31 PM
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narrative and stuck to it.
Right now it is Trump can't be held responsible for lost tourists posing as ANTIFA posing as misguided MAGA supporters who went too far.
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The third half are still waiting for JFK Jr. in Dallas.***
Dec 14, 2021, 1:43 PM
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Re: Pretty damning Jan. 6 text messages...
Dec 14, 2021, 12:17 PM
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Yeah ... NO! Like Liz said “Whoever corruptly … obstructs, influences, or impedes any official proceeding, or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years”. If you don't think Trump's actions from early December to Jan. 6th did not result in "obstructs, influences, or impedes", then I can't help you. That's like saying that Trump calling Brad Raf. in GA. and asking for an additional 11 thousand or so votes so he could win the state was not a violation of State and Federal election law. Preposterous!
And while I don't think "our democracy was inches from ruin", it surely did not help it. I see now that our democracy has now fallen to 36th in the world and is now classified as a "Deficient or Backsliding Democracy". Helll, Germany, Italy and Japan now rank ahead of us. How ironic is it that our enemies in WWII, who we helped rebuild, now rank as stronger democracies than US. Disgraceful! Losing our tradition of the peaceful transfer of power will resonate for a long time and we have ONE MAIN IDIOT and lots of smaller(Gym Jordan, Meadows, Cruz, Hawley, etc.) idiots to blame for it.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/mar/24/us-world-democracy-rankings-freedom-house-new-low
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Re: Pretty damning Jan. 6 text messages...
Dec 14, 2021, 11:31 PM
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Trump is a filthy POS con artist.
He will always find X% of the population dumb enough to follow him.
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