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Clemson Icon [24894]
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Feb 5, 2024, 12:02 PM
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"Most would say that they see the South Carolina job as a stepping stone job which leads to destination jobs like Michigan basketball."
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Things have really fallen apart for Juwan at Michigan.
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Feb 5, 2024, 12:04 PM
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He did great at first, making an Elite Eight in 2021 and a Sweet 16 in 2022, but it's been downhill since then. They barely had a winning record last year, and are awful this year.
It's been almost two years since he slapped the Wisconsin coach after the game, so Michigan's slide since then feels like poetic justice.
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Paw Warrior [4856]
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Re: Things have really fallen apart for Juwan at Michigan.
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Feb 5, 2024, 12:37 PM
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You’re telling me they literally made sweet 16 or higher in 2 straight tournaments…in 2021-2022?
Both have happened in the last 3 years.
Good Lord, if that was Brownell at Clemson they would’ve built a statue for him already.
Maybe Clemson could push for Howard if he were to be available.
Given Brownell continues his expected downhill spiral.
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Game Changer [1748]
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Absolutely not. Hes one of the few where I would emphatically choose Brownell
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Feb 5, 2024, 1:11 PM
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He’s an absolute train wreck and not fit to lead any D1 program. It’s a shame too.
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Game Changer [1886]
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Re: Absolutely not. Hes one of the few where I would emphatically choose Brownell
Feb 5, 2024, 1:47 PM
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Pretty well known from get-go. Couple bumps in road should have confirmed bad decision.
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Are you prepared for Clemson to spend about $11 million a year
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Feb 5, 2024, 1:21 PM
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on men's basketball? Because that's what Michigan spends. We currently spend just $8 million a year.
This is certainly not considering the fact that Michigan has a much better basketball history than we do, and promotes its basketball program better than we do.
I don't think Juwan Howard would have had Clemson in the Elite Eight and Sweet 16 two years in a row if he were our coach.
I do think Brownell is the better coach though. He's never had a season as poor as Juwan is having right now, despite significantly better resources and more advantages than Brad has ever had.
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I didnt make a mistake. What I posted is correct.
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Feb 5, 2024, 4:55 PM
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Here is the link. You can search for any school you like and see what they spend on a given sport:
https://ope.ed.gov/athletics/#/
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CU Medallion [18437]
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Re: I didnt make a mistake. What I posted is correct.
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Feb 5, 2024, 5:20 PM
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At least he has a source, but it isn’t particularly great for real comparison. The department of Ed database is based on self reported numbers in a non-standardized process.
Sportico actually reviews profit and loss statements.
https://www.sportico.com/leagues/college-sports/2021/about-sporticos-college-sports-1234645998/
For 21-22 our overall basketball operating budget ranks 44th. Our operating expenses are similar to Purdue, Florida, and Wisconsin. If you go further up the ladder the difference is frequently the head coach salary - not a lack of support for assistants and other factors as JK insists. Houston’s budget is $1.1 million more than Clemson’s. But Kelvin Sampson makes $1.75 million more than Brownell. So Clemson spends more on ancillary expenses despite JK’s protestations.
https://d3data.sportico.com/NCAADatabase/index.html
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Re: Are you prepared for Clemson to spend about $11 million a year
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Feb 5, 2024, 3:52 PM
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on men's basketball? Because that's what Michigan spends. We currently spend just $8 million a year.
This is certainly not considering the fact that Michigan has a much better basketball history than we do, and promotes its basketball program better than we do.
I don't think Juwan Howard would have had Clemson in the Elite Eight and Sweet 16 two years in a row if he were our coach.
I do think Brownell is the better coach though. He's never had a season as poor as Juwan is having right now, despite significantly better resources and more advantages than Brad has ever had.
I wonder how much Loyola Chicago and More head state spend on Men's Basketball?...
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Re: Are you prepared for Clemson to spend about $11 million a year
Feb 5, 2024, 7:33 PM
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Until I see some return on investment from the additional millions we've already spent on MBB, I'm not spending another dime. I'd just rather replace the CEO.
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Re: Coots MBB coach candidate at Michigan?
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Feb 5, 2024, 12:06 PM
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Any chance they come after Brownell?
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110%er [3681]
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Re: Coots MBB coach candidate at Michigan?
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Feb 5, 2024, 12:19 PM
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This is why it is important to fund your basketball program to make it more of a destination job rather than a stepping stone job. It's hard to hire the right coach. Hiring a coach similar to dabo is like hitting the lottery. If you do hire the right coach and they have immediate success, they are just going to bolt immediately when offered another job, similar to rick barnes' exit from clemson. Even purnell bolted after having moderate success even though he never won a tourney game.
Luckily if we do part ways with brownell at the end of the season, we are in a much better position to hire a successful coach than we were 10+ years ago.
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CU Guru [1121]
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Our funding is just fine.
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Feb 5, 2024, 12:23 PM
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Brad is way overcompensated versus his results. He has everything he needs and he has a solid roster. No excuses for losing like we have been or the lack of accomplishments. No excuses. There are many coaches doing better with a less and even a lot less. We aren’t looking for a John Wooden here, only some one who can consistently make the tournament and earn a top 40 pay, unlike Brad Brownell.
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110%er [3681]
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Re: Our funding is just fine.
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Feb 5, 2024, 12:30 PM
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Brad's compensation is in line with our ACC ranking over the last 6 years.
Message was edited by: Clemson mountaineers®
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Tiger Titan [50655]
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Please stop speaking rationally.
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Feb 5, 2024, 12:34 PM
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These people aren't interested in reality. They have convinced themselves that we support basketball well at Clemson, and that the program has everything it needs to be consistently successful if not for the horrible coach screwing things up.
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Re: Please stop speaking rationally.
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Feb 5, 2024, 12:39 PM
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Those people must be in the 2%
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CU Medallion [18437]
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CU Guru [1121]
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Mountaineers and Keller tell the same exact lies.
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Feb 5, 2024, 3:51 PM
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These two are sisters in lies.
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Ultimate Tiger [33599]
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Tiger Titan [50655]
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Yes, weve spent millions.
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Feb 5, 2024, 4:57 PM
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Most other high major teams spend more millions than we do though.
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Game Changer [1965]
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Re: Please stop speaking rationally.
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Feb 5, 2024, 2:13 PM
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So what is reality? Would you consider Clemson a stepping stone program or permanent destination program?
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CU Guru [1121]
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You constantly run from reality.
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Feb 5, 2024, 3:47 PM
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Brad has two top 40 finishes in his entire mediocre (at best) career.
The program has and has had everything needed to make the top 40 every year.
Unfortunately coaching, and coaching alone is keeping us buried on the national scene.
The man is literally stealing our money.
This is reality. Put it in your pipe and smoke it instead of that wacky weed you apparently smoke when posting here.
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Re: Our funding is just fine.
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Feb 5, 2024, 12:42 PM
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Brad is paid $750,000 less than Matt Painter with 5 years less of service. $400,000 less than Nate Oats. More than Jim Larranaga and Hubert Davis. But you know this and are just outright lying now.
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CU Guru [1121]
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Youre confused. Brad makes a top 40 salary and
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He’s finished in the top 40 twice. Only twice. Ever.
He’s making way way more than he should. Besides, he could be the highest paid coacj in America and still not be more than a mediocre (at best) coach.
These are the facts of the matter. Your narrative is hogwash.
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CU Guru [1121]
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LMAO. If it makes you feel better then go with that.
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Feb 5, 2024, 5:35 PM
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The conclusion is the same.
You’re delusional and in denial. Obviously.
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Re: LMAO. If it makes you feel better then go with that.
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Feb 5, 2024, 7:05 PM
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It’s a stupid argument anyway. Nate Oats makes $400,000 more than Brownell despite myriad more achievements in less time. Matt Painter only makes $750,000 more despite being at Purdue 5 years longer than Brad has been at Clemson and making 6 Sweet Sixteen. Brad is overpaid and the remaining operating budget is comparable to a lot of top 40 programs - including current No. 1 Purdue.
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Tiger Titan [50655]
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"Our funding is fine" is what Clemson people have been saying
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Feb 5, 2024, 12:33 PM
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for generations.
You are part of the problem.
Your expectations don't meet your effort.
You are the 400 pound person who wants to lose weight but thinks their crappy diet is fine and that exercise is overrated, and keeps looking for the magic pill to help you lose weight.
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Clemson Icon [24894]
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Irony Again ?
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Feb 5, 2024, 12:44 PM
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LOL
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [100916]
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Re: "Our funding is fine" is what Clemson people have been saying
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Feb 5, 2024, 1:01 PM
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Fat shaming as Brad Brownell defense? Interesting choice. And, as someone who doesn't weigh 400 lbs, someone who does has a lot more going on than misunderstanding their diet or need for just a little more exercise.
As things start looking bleak for Brad you always start lashing out. I've seen racist, misogynist, and fat shaming attacks. Cute. You're a quality guy.
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CU Guru [1121]
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Yet again, our funding is top 40.
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Brad has finished in the top 40 twice. In all time.
There’s obviously a mismatch in program funding and our place in the rankings.
You’re in denial or delusional. Perhaps both.
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Tiger Titan [50655]
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Link to our funding being top 40?
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Feb 5, 2024, 5:04 PM
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Why do you think our annual expenses for men’s basketball is top 40?
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Re: LOL Shill II
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Oh look, clemson80tiger showed up
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Clemson Icon [24894]
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Tell 'em Shill II
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LOL
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Clemson "Personal Attack" Mountaineers back at it again***
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Re: Clemson "Personal Attack" Mountaineers back at it again***
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Feb 5, 2024, 6:25 PM
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Of course you dont mind others personally attacking me. Hypocrite
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Re: Coots MBB coach candidate at Michigan?
Feb 5, 2024, 1:03 PM
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Well no one of that caliber is coming after CBB! sadly!
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Why let him out of the state? Let's get him out of there before Cootism has a
Feb 5, 2024, 3:59 PM
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chance to set in on him. Hiring him at Clemson would absolutely kill the souls of the little biddies.
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Tiger Titan [50655]
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Is this like when people suggested that Amanda Butler coach the mens team?
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Feb 5, 2024, 5:05 PM
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LOL!
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Re: Coots MBB coach candidate at Michigan?
Feb 5, 2024, 4:04 PM
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Maybe they will hire Parris and Staley as a two gig. Say what you want about Ray Tanner but has made two good hire with BB.
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