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PAC12 is melting....
Jul 26, 2022, 8:10 AM
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ESPN offer was $240 million with no other bidders. OR/Washington wanted uneven revenue sharing with this breakdown-
Oregon/Washington- 16.5% share each- about $40 million per school. Stanford/Cal 13.5% each- about $32 million per.
Remaining schools split the remaining $, about $16 million per.
ESPN told them that 60% of the value was Oregon/Washington and the Cali Market.
The big 4 are also looking at dropping the other schools to add new markets for more $. TCU? SMU? I have no clue where they would find these markets.
PAC-12 looks like toast to me. Many looking to Big-12 as a lifeboat.
Meanwhile, Notre Dame..... well maybe that should be a separate post. The “black thumb” of conference affiliation. Everything they touch turns out bad......
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Re: PAC12 is melting....
Jul 26, 2022, 8:31 AM
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This sounds disturbing for the future of other schools as well. And the Pac 12 schools have to support more atheletic programs than most.
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Re: PAC12 is melting....
Jul 26, 2022, 8:55 AM
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I would like to know how much value ESPN figures South Carolina or Vandy football to be for the SEC contract? They are so quick to value other schools from other conferences.
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Re: PAC12 is melting....
Jul 26, 2022, 9:00 AM
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The door mats are very important.
Build them up preseason (see the coots this year) so when a UGA or another media darling soundly beats them, it can be counted as a quality conference win..."...'cause aint no easy wins in the $ec...."
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Re: PAC12 is melting....
Jul 26, 2022, 9:02 AM
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Good Point! lol.
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Re: PAC12 is melting....
Jul 26, 2022, 11:28 AM
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This is exactly what I believe has happened for years.
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Re: PAC12 is melting....
Jul 26, 2022, 5:09 PM
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It must be disheartening to be bottom feeders for the top teams every year.
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Re: PAC12 is melting....
Jul 26, 2022, 9:23 AM
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Worths of Vand and usc in this order - not much and even less. Vandy does offer a good academic reputation, however.
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Re: PAC12 is melting....
Jul 26, 2022, 12:41 PM
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That academic rep and $4 will get you a cup of Joe at Starbucks.
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The Pac 12 and Big Xii should definitely look to partner up
Jul 26, 2022, 8:57 AM
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and redefine themselves as the Great West Conference or something. The enhanced shares that Oregon and Washington are looking for is a reasonable amount, but they're up against the same dilemma the ACC's top properties have in that there's just not enough sizzle for them to go up against often enough in their current conference alignment to leverage greater media value.
Were the Pac and XII to merge and then division up among football prowess for scheduling and a media deal, the top end would be better off, and the bottom half as well in terms of stability and opportunity.
A top football division could look like this out west...
From the Pac - Oregon, Washington, Stanford, Utah, AZ State From the XII - Baylor, OK State, TCU, Iowa St, BYU
Four games within the old alignment and two cross.
Then as a 2nd division with a lesser media share...
Pac - Oregon St, Wash St, Cal, Colorado, AZ XII - Kansas, K State, Tex Tech, Houston, Boise St.
They could schedule the same for 6 games, then each division schedules 3x from there, with the 3rd game of that crossover a home game for the upper division.
From there, opportunities to move up, or get moved down, between the divisions would be in play as a form of promotion/relegation. Division winners could play in a championship game to allow for a lower division upstart or Cinderella story to earn its way to a playoff berth.
For all other sports, you have 10 from each prior conference closer by to keep travel down and engagement up, with some crossover scheduling.
I'd love to see the ACC do something similar. It should be easier for us to accomplish considering we're all mostly under one roof today versus two conferences having to manage this out west.
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Re: The Pac 12 and Big Xii should definitely look to partner up
Jul 26, 2022, 9:45 AM
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You think Colorado would taking a lesser share than AZ state and Iowa St?
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Re: The Pac 12 and Big Xii should definitely look to partner up
Jul 26, 2022, 10:03 AM
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Shares might not necessarily have to be split evenly along division lines. There could be tiered set-ups negotiated where those programs at the tip top gain a little extra, those in the lower top and upper bottom (the ones most likely for promotion/relegation status) earn a similar share, and those at the back end earn even less. The key is to concentrate the better and more football-driven programs together, allow them to reap the rewards for doing so and playing one another more often, and go down the line from there. An opportunity should exist for any program in the league to eventually climb the ladder to the tippy top, and vice versa.
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Re: PAC12 is melting....
Jul 26, 2022, 9:53 AM
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Equal revenue sharing is for Commies anyway.
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Re: PAC12 is melting....
Jul 26, 2022, 11:53 AM
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We’re a “gated community” remember?
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Re: PAC12 is melting....
Jul 26, 2022, 5:03 PM
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I thought that was the big two and we were in the Po house.
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Re: PAC12 is melting....
Jul 26, 2022, 10:37 AM
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how does this help Clemson or the ACC? I don't think it does. Sounds like the only PAC 12 teams that bring TV money would be Washington and Oregon. Way too far from the ACC foot print. If that is true where can the ACC turn to bring in more football schools to bring in more TV money?
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Re: PAC12 is melting....
Jul 26, 2022, 11:34 AM
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Not sure we can, and I for one do not believe adding ND can help save the conference. Would definitely help in the short term but with possible additions to the Power 2 we will continue to decline financially.
Unless VT, Miami and FSU could rise back up then we could possibly survive and when I mean rise I mean possible playoff contenders. That is a long stretch as of today.
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With VaT, MIA & FSU
Jul 27, 2022, 9:30 AM
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being collectively 0-18 vs. OOC PF teams since 2018/19, they just do not add lots of value right now.
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Re: PAC12 is melting....
Jul 26, 2022, 12:11 PM
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I actually think it is indirectly bad news for the ACC. It shows after going on a spending #### to secure the SEC rights, ESPN is being thrifty now with what’s left of the Pac.
So, ESPN may not be too generous with the two additional contractual “look in” periods which take place before the end of the contract in 2036. Since the ACC is already under contract, there will be no additional bidders like CBS or FOX to drive up the price. Different from the Pac situation, but similar.
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Re: PAC12 is melting....
Jul 26, 2022, 11:56 AM
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If I'm the Commisioner of the BigXII, I'm going full on attack to get Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado and Utah.
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Re: PAC12 is melting....
Jul 27, 2022, 9:19 AM
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In Texas, nobody cares about TCU and SMU. Adding them does nothing. The SEC got Texas when they landed UT and Aggy. Nobody cares about Baylor or Houston. In far west Texas, they like Texas Tech, but there’s no people in far west Texas outside of the few mid sized cities. Good recruits from that area either leave the state and it’s many dust storms or go to UT or Aggy. Talk of getting the Dallas market by adding SMU is baloney. There’s more OU fans in Dallas than SMU. The PAC 12’s only hope was California and that died with USC and UCLA and everyone knows that. It’s dead.
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Great post. I assume you live in Texas like I do
Jul 27, 2022, 5:03 PM
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EOM
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The worst part is that contract is basically on par
Jul 27, 2022, 9:27 AM
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with the ACC television revenue. Getting locked into a 20 year deal was soooooooo bad.
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The real truth is the B1G is absorbing the old Pac 8...
Jul 27, 2022, 5:06 PM
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minus the completely worthless programs of Oregon State and Wazzu.
The B1G is taking care of 6/8 of their longtime partners. This does not surprise me one bit. Latecomers Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado and Utah don't count.
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