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Open Letter to Coach Swinney
Nov 18, 2014, 1:31 PM
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Coach Swinney you know a lot about football, but I know a lot about leadership. I spent over 36 years in the US Army and the DoD.
Coach: You are failing at basic leadership!
It’s as simple as this: you have to respect the entire team — not just one player.
EVERYONE but you knows that Cole Stoudt does NOT give the team the best chance to win.
Maybe with Stoudt we can win over GA State — maybe not. He has to play better than he did against GA TECH to win.
BTW: I’m 70 years of age and have been going to Clemson games for longer than you have been alive — so, I’m not just some “young person surrounded by negativity”.
Your blind loyalty to Cole Stoudt has left you:
Disrespecting every player on the team — Both the offensive line and the entire defense. I was at the GA TECH game and saw the first pick-six. It was on nobody but Stoudt. I was also at the other games where you say Stoudt did a great job. Not true — it was the defense that won those games. These players want to win, and you are doing your best to ensure they do not win. How can you expect loyalty from the other team members if you are not loyal to them?
Disrespecting fans who want the team to succeed. Of course we will not win all games, but you are throwing games away. I for one, put a lot of time and effort into attending Clemson games. Now I hate to see the offense take the field when Stoudt comes out at quarterback. Personally I never boo any college player, even opposing ones — I think it is low class. But, have you ever thought, the fans are really booing YOU and your insistence on proving a point? If not, its time you did.
Never examining your role in the leadership of the entire team — not some misplaced loyalty to one person.
Taking a chance on losing some of our valuable future recruits.
Clemson fans are football savvy and are not easily fooled. Right now it seems you are fooling yourself in this one matter.
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Re: Open Letter to Coach Swinney
Nov 18, 2014, 1:37 PM
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Well said. I wish he could read it. Dabo is not pushing the right buttons for us to win at all. He is losing respect.
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Hall of Famer [22965]
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Say, here's an idea Lieutenant Leadership of 36 years,
Nov 18, 2014, 1:37 PM
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why not stop the "open letters" on Tigernet to everybody and actually write or email a letter to the intended reader....and be sure to include your name, rank and serial number (or address), I understand Coach Swinney frequently responds to rational correspondence
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CU Guru [1898]
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Amen.
Nov 18, 2014, 8:20 PM
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Amen!
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Re: Open Letter to Coach Swinney
Nov 18, 2014, 1:39 PM
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Thank you - perfectly stated! Damm, I hate to say this - but Dabo is coming off looking a lot like Jimbo in this debacle. By refusing to acknowledge what he's seeing on the field (just like Jimbo and Winston's off the field shenanigans), he's only dividing the team and encouraging poor play. What's the reward for the guys that are out there busting their a$$es week after week? Why should the defense make a 3 and out stand, only to give the ball back to our offense and let them turn it over again? He's letting his personal beliefs of an athlete (using the loosest terms possible) cloud what he's seeing, and it's not helping anyone. Expect our team to drift further downward, as other players lose hope and also get jaded by the favoritism we're all watching.
That look of Deshaun upset after he came off the field - that wasn't because of his injury - it was because he watched Stoudt throw away in 2 seconds what he'd been working toward. He knew right then that we'd lost the game - we all did. Well, everyone except for Dabo and/or Chad...
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Re: Open Letter to Coach Swinney
Nov 18, 2014, 1:43 PM
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So you want Coach Swinney to bash his own players....Excellent way to get great players to want to come play for you...
Some of you folks just blow my mind...
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Orange Blooded [4954]
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Coach Swinney previously bashed the OL in defense of Cole..***
Nov 18, 2014, 1:58 PM
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Who is saying that Dabo should bash his players???
Nov 18, 2014, 2:05 PM
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Big difference between benching and bashing. The best player should play, period. Cole Stoudt is painfully, obviously not the best player. Nick Schuessler may not be much better but he needs to be given the chance to practice with the 1st team and see what he can do. NO WAY could he be any worse. Dabo is making a mistake that is effecting the entire football program, anyone can see that.
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Re: Open Letter to Coach Swinney
Nov 18, 2014, 2:23 PM
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No, I want Coach Swinney to sack up and say that Cole is not our best option right now. I'm pretty sure we would be better off strictly running the WildCat at this point.
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Re: Open Letter to Coach Swinney
Nov 18, 2014, 10:24 PM
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Most of the Coaches who wear national championship rings (that they earned as head coach) seem to have absolutely no problem calling out players when their performance is not up to expectations. They seem to still get recruits.
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Thank you for your service
Nov 18, 2014, 1:46 PM
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First of all, if you spent 36 years in the US Army, thank you. Secondly, I believe that you have stated very clearly and respectfully what many of us have been thinking. What Dabo is doing isn't working and as fans, we are not looking forward to facing USuC with this team without some changes. Do what is right for the team, Dabo.
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Dabo...love the guy BUT
Nov 18, 2014, 1:47 PM
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Watching and listening to the latest interview with Dabo reminds me of someone living with an alcholic...they keep defending them and how they only take a couple of drinks. An enabler, I can agree Cole has been a great kid, hung around waiting for his day in the sun and bla..bla..bla. BUT he has had his opportunity, his chances...sure he has won a few games but mainly because the defense has played so well.... not becuase he has put up a lot of points. His confidence is shot, he is done. Hand the ball off to the next guy Saturday, tell Cole thanks and let it go. Sorry, not being hard or cruel but if he was in a company and made this many errors, he would have been shown the door weeks ago.
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Re: Open Letter to Coach Swinney
Nov 18, 2014, 4:28 PM
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you lost me at "Dabo is coming off looking a lot like Jimbo"
After I read that I didn't need to read the rest, bc you are an idiot.
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Re: So you've never coached football on a D1 level but you
Nov 18, 2014, 1:41 PM
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know all about telling Dabo what he's not good at?
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You sir...make a great point
Nov 18, 2014, 5:52 PM
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Thanks
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Orange Blooded [4265]
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Hey Mr Army Dude,
Nov 18, 2014, 1:45 PM
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Quit being a coward in an Open Letter to a football coach...you might cause people to lose respect for the Military, according to your own logic.
36 years of experience should have taught you something.
Right ?
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Ooops. Haha***
Nov 18, 2014, 9:42 PM
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He should have signed it.
Nov 19, 2014, 4:08 PM
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"Grumpy old man," would have been accurate.
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^^^^coot^^^^^***
Nov 18, 2014, 1:50 PM
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Thank you for your service.
Nov 18, 2014, 1:51 PM
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But this message has fallen upon deaf ears here. Respectfully, sir.
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Mainly because ... it's an internet message board
Nov 18, 2014, 1:53 PM
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that the Coach doesn't frequent.
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All-TigerNet [12505]
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It's possible to still respect a man who dedicated
Nov 18, 2014, 1:54 PM
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his life to giving us freedoms we love (like going to Clemson games) some respect on a message board.
Just how I was raised. My daddy, York Tiger, taught me to respect my elders.
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CU Medallion [61628]
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I wasn't questioning his service, just that posting an
Nov 18, 2014, 1:58 PM
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open letter on an internet message board wasn't going to get his displeasure to the right ears. And, that is what I interpreted from your post - it was falling on deaf ears.
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Glad we're on the same page.***
Nov 18, 2014, 1:59 PM
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It's all good ... except what york_tiger posts.***
Nov 18, 2014, 2:01 PM
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York_tiger is a good man
Nov 18, 2014, 2:04 PM
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I think it's really unfair when tigers attack their own. I believe 100% that York is a lifelong tiger and a good guy. We don't agree on everything, but I'd never call him a coot like some on here.
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Sorry forgot to add this at the end of my post ...
Nov 18, 2014, 2:07 PM
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(It was a joke; I typically TU york ... unless he boos me)
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Cole? Is that you?***
Nov 18, 2014, 2:10 PM
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CU Medallion [61628]
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Why would Cole boo me?
Nov 18, 2014, 2:20 PM
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OK, so, my engineering skills are lacking.
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He would boo
Nov 18, 2014, 2:33 PM
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Your hair.
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This is true***
Nov 18, 2014, 8:08 PM
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Even if he did,
Nov 18, 2014, 5:46 PM
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Anyone who serves is good in my book.
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Dabo is a salesman and it works great on the recruiting
Nov 18, 2014, 1:52 PM
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trail but don't try to sell me something that I can see is not working. Thank you for your service.
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Re: Open Letter to Coach Swinney
Nov 18, 2014, 1:56 PM
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Sir,
Perhaps, Coach Swinney is leading. Perhaps he is seeing a chance to rebuild a man who is perhaps broken and build him up into the man he can become or man he can return to.
Many on TNet have forgotten... Nick is 3rd string and has been 3rd string for a reason. DW4 is hurt. He will not play this Saturday. And this game Saturday is the opportunity to allow a man to test his merit and be the leader that the coaches feel he can be and that this team needs. BUt if he fails or steps backward against Ga St, then Nick comes in to become backup QB.
But also how do you know what you think you know?
Are you in the meetings with the QBs?
Have you sat in and seen/heard how each QB responds to coaches questions, plays in practices, works out with team and alone, knows the offense, etc.?
Has Coach Morris the QB coach told you something? Was it in confidence?
Do you know how good Nick S is at QB?
- Have you coached him?
- Do you view him in practice?
- Do the two of you go over the playbook together?
Have you spoken to the other players? Have they told you secret information?
Thank you for your service and providing freedom for the vast majority of us.
Leadership in the military may not be the same thing as leadership everywhere. Court Martials can certainly help motivate followership and assist leaders in getting a collection of individuals to become a force/unit. Some of that sounds like what we need in our football team.
But let me also ask you about what this means to you... "Never leave a man behind."
How does that play here with Cole Stoudt?
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Amen, brother. My 37 years of wearing
Nov 18, 2014, 8:22 PM
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the US Army uniform in peace and war agrees with you! Thank you.
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Hey Lt Dan.... I understand where you are coming from...
Nov 18, 2014, 1:57 PM
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I have been watching War movies since, like I was 5 yrs old or something. So I have like 43 years of experience with knowing how to fly an F4U Corsair (Thanks to Ba Ba Blacksheep, el al Pappy Boington) to Jungle Fighting the gooks thanks to the help of Platoon and Full Metal Jacket.
Point is.. I feel your frustration.
Dabo should watch Rudy or something.
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Re: Open Letter to Coach Swinney
Nov 18, 2014, 1:59 PM
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ABSOLUTELY CORRECT ON ALL COUNTS. GREAT POST, HOPE IT GETS THROUGH TO DABO, ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. BECAUSE IF HE KEEPS DOWN THIS ROAD, HE WILL NOT BE HERE MUCH LONGER. NOT THAT I THINK HE SHOULD GO, BUT BECAUSE THIS IS THE KIND OF THING THAT CAN BE A CANCER TO THE PROGRAM FOR YEARS TO COME.
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Stoudt does give us the best chance to win
Nov 18, 2014, 2:36 PM
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without Deshaun available. He's not lying
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Who do you want us to start at QB?
Nov 18, 2014, 2:43 PM
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Who is better than Stout this week?
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Re: Open Letter to Coach Swinney
Nov 18, 2014, 2:47 PM
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So you are at every practice and in every meeting to know that Cole is not the best we have??
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Re: Open Letter to Coach Swinney
Nov 18, 2014, 5:04 PM
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If you are an example of leadership in the military and I'm pretty sure you are not. This country is in big trouble if war breaks out. I would hate to depend on you in a foxhole. You are the kind of guy that would leave someone behind when the going got tough. What a sorry example of leadership knowledge you have. My training taught me never to leave anyone behind. I don't agree with every coaching decision any coach makes but I am not a professional coach and I bet you are not either. I'm proud to have Dabo as our coach and hope he stays 30 years. You on the other hand meh...
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Orange Blooded [3820]
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bad fans = bad program
Nov 18, 2014, 5:44 PM
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just look at our neighbors to the south.
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Re: Open Letter to Coach Swinney
Nov 18, 2014, 5:57 PM
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You're absolutely right. Great leaders are known for wilting under pressure to ill-informed naysayers blindly bandwagoning and demonstrating a lynch mob mentality.
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Re: Open Letter to Coach Swinney
Nov 18, 2014, 6:02 PM
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You left something out......your name.
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Re: Open Letter to Coach Swinney
Nov 18, 2014, 8:17 PM
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Hooorah!
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HAVE YOU ASKED THE PLAYERS IF THEY FEEL
Nov 18, 2014, 9:07 PM
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DISRESPECTED BY SWINNEY? Do you know for a fact that The third string guy is better than Stoudt from the time he was in the game Saturday? If you haven't asked , then you don't know. And just because you spent a long time in the military, it doesn't mean you know any more about leadership than the average guy. In my short time in the military, I witnessed many "leaders" make decisions that ended up getting guys killed when it was obvious that there were other ways to get things done in a safer manner. Once , our leader sent us a tattered hemp rope to use in crossing a raging river and insisted that we cross at the roughest part - when it broke, a friend drowned because of that decision. How many games would we have won if Stoudt hadn't been willing to play through a lot of pain? Looks like an old military guy would appreciate a guy who goes into the trenches and suffers through pain for the good of the team.
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Orange Blooded [2702]
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I don't see how your experience is relevant here
Nov 18, 2014, 9:13 PM
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Strip away the military as the crutch of your perceived expertise here. If I told you that I ran a Fortune 500 company, would I warrant as much credibility as a qualified leader as you? Probably more so. No disrespect, sir.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt though. As a leader, you would obviously take all available information into account before making a decision, right? So, in your opinion after watching a year's worth of practices and discussing the abilities of each quarterback with Chad Morris you have come to this opinion? Oh wait, you're taking the probably scripted words of a coach from a press conference and making a personality judgment from it.
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Re: Open Letter to Coach Swinney
Nov 18, 2014, 9:17 PM
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Your leadership really shows while hiding behind a user name that you don't even deserve.
By the way my brother was deployed in Afghanistan and he would never pull rank to make an redundant, bs point about college football in order to prove to a message board he was correct . So it kind of PISSES ME OFF WHEN PEOPLE LIKE YOU DO.
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Re: Open Letter to Coach Swinney
Nov 18, 2014, 9:21 PM
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He was a cook at best.
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Re: Open Letter to Coach Swinney
Nov 18, 2014, 9:30 PM
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I've never met any veteran who would beat his/ her own chest to bash some one else. He/she has a right to an opinion but to brag about his/her military experiences to attempt to gain an audience goes beyond narcissistic.
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Re: Open Letter to Coach Swinney
Nov 19, 2014, 11:28 AM
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1000 tu's for you
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ditto Triton, there are some who need to stop following CU***
Nov 19, 2014, 4:06 PM
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I suggest you reduce your time and effort in attending..
Nov 19, 2014, 10:41 AM
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..Clemson games because you do not sound as loyal to the entire program as you preach.
Just stay home this next game if the sight of Cole playing for us appalls you that much.
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Re: I suggest you reduce your time and effort in attending..
Nov 19, 2014, 11:26 AM
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Amen to that mr. tater. This letter does not display the kind of leadership I want Clemson to have. Can you imagine the response if OP received a similar letter during his military days from a buck private?
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The sad thing is
Nov 19, 2014, 11:31 AM
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this was the post of the day. Tells you something about a few Clemson fans doesn't it?
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Tells you a lot about the supposed Moderators of this site***
Nov 19, 2014, 4:07 PM
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Re: Open Letter to Coach Swinney
Nov 19, 2014, 11:32 AM
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Well who do you want to play Saturday and the next week? Do you want DW to go out there and start? And end up like Willie Korn?
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I completely respect what you have to say, but
Nov 19, 2014, 11:38 AM
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is it possible that Cole does give us the best chance to win?
I feel like you do.. I have no joy watching a Stoudt led offense take the field, but unfortunately, he may be the best we have.
Why that happened is open for another conversation.
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Orange Blooded [3820]
TigerPulse: 82%
Posts: 4395
Joined: 12/24/09
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lots of experience, not much brains***
Nov 19, 2014, 4:03 PM
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All-TigerNet [10498]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 4279
Joined: 11/5/01
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Sorry to disappoint, but Dabo ain't reading this***
Nov 19, 2014, 4:43 PM
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