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Rock Defender [54]
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The Effect Of The Chad Morris Departure
Dec 12, 2012, 10:13 AM
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Clemson will be fine. We've survived the departure of every single player and every single coach throughout the history of our program. We've rebounded in spite of Tommy West and Ken Hatfield. We survived Danny leaving. We had years where we graduated what seemed to be our whole defense and still came out ok. We even survived Jamie Harper bolting early LOL.
Now we stand with 10 wins, and a chance to win 11. Even with a loss, our year goes down in the books as one of the most successful ever. Oh and don't forget we have some fairly decent players returning.
Dabo ain't no dummy. You don't think he's been learning concepts from CM? Think he has a copy of everything ever done? You betchya. That's what a good coach does. Steals ideas, adds wrinkles.
The OC next hire will be a similar-minded guy, and he and Dabo will work together to merge thoughts. Turnover sux, but it happens. Dabo will not go all Chizik and hire a pro-style guy. Our O under a new OC will look very much as it has since CM was here.
The HC is the single most important part of a program and that's the place we need the right guy AND stability. IMO we have that.
CM may not leave. But all this interviewing stuff will stay the same, so get used to it. If he stays, he has a chance to put up Play Station numbers next year and parlay his success into a REAL (not TT) job. Or he may go to TT and make a living hanging 50 on mediocre teams in the weedeater bowl.
Who cares. Everyone is replaceable and Clemson will be fine. Our success does not hinge on one dude.
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"The next OC will be a similar-minded guy"
Dec 12, 2012, 10:14 AM
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That's what concerns me. I'm tired of gimmick offenses.
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Oculus Spirit [83625]
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I agree...
Dec 12, 2012, 10:15 AM
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But Dabo has made it clear this is what he wants.
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All-TigerNet [10965]
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I've heard that song and dance for at least 14 years.
Dec 12, 2012, 10:17 AM
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Not buying it.
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You wanted paul johnson
Dec 12, 2012, 10:44 AM
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good news, GT will let him go
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All-TigerNet [10965]
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That was in 2007. It would have been a great move
Dec 12, 2012, 10:56 AM
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at that time, especially compared to what we ended up doing. We're still paying Tommy Bowden for that mistake.
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Re: That was in 2007. It would have been a great move
Dec 12, 2012, 10:58 AM
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GT will let you have him for a song.
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Actually no, they won't. He's not going anywhere.***
Dec 12, 2012, 11:04 AM
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He's not going anywhere, because no one is asking
Dec 12, 2012, 11:06 AM
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GT is just hoping someone comes along.
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Oculus Spirit [83625]
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Against ranked teams, both are...
Dec 12, 2012, 10:19 AM
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If your team averages over 40 points a game and gives up 30 points a game, you should be able to win if your opponent score 27.
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CU Medallion [73569]
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b/c every offense plays just as good against great defenses
Dec 12, 2012, 10:20 AM
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lol.
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Oculus Spirit [83625]
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No, because second half in both FSU and SCar was terrible...
Dec 12, 2012, 10:22 AM
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First halves were fine.
Our opponents adjusted, we could not.
That is a coaching issue.
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The problem is the effects of our offense on our defense,
Dec 8, 2023, 3:01 PM
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especially when our offense faces a good defense.
You take a traditional O vs a great D, then you take our O vs a great D.
A traditional O can get shut down too. Let's say they go 4 series without scoring. They may get 1 or 2 first downs per series. They may go 3-and-out once or twice. Then they have a good series where they score. They pick up 5 first downs, then get a touchdown.
When our O gets shut down, each series takes very little time. Then after 4 series or so let's say we score, it also usually takes very little time. So no matter if our O goes 3-and-out or they score, the defense is getting zero rest. As opposed to the traditional O where they are getting decent rest as long as the O picks up 1 or 2 first downs.
The argument isn't that the traditional O would fare better against a great D in absolute terms (although I think it would, but that's another argument), the point is that the negative effects on our defense are amplified with our offense as opposed to a traditional O.
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Oculus Spirit [83625]
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I understand that train of thought and statistics seem to...
Dec 12, 2012, 10:36 AM
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support this, but I don't understand why the defense can't make stops. I think it only hurts our defense when we go 3 and out in 30 seconds.
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Re: Against ranked teams, both are...
Dec 12, 2012, 10:22 AM
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I truly dislike your attitude on every post!( Not you because I do not know you.) However rarely in life have I had the opportunity to disagree with someone as much as I disagree with you. Very interesting! I mean Franc
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Oculus Spirit [83625]
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I'll take that as a good thing...
Dec 12, 2012, 10:23 AM
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Thanks for sharing.
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That's a good way to look at it, and there's also a more
Dec 12, 2012, 10:26 AM
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complicated matter here that most people can't seem to understand, and that is the management of the game (getting first downs, managing field position, giving the defense a rest) aspect.
When our O goes against mediocre teams (like the entire ACC) then it either scores quickly, scores methodically, or picks up a first down or two and punts, giving the D good field position. Sometimes they take very little time off the clock, but if so they usually score. Any problems that the D has when the O is playing like this, are strictly the D's fault.
However, when our O goes against decent to good teams, like USC and LSU, they are on and off the field in record time, not scoring points, and giving the other team great field position. This takes our already shaky D, stacks the deck against them, and then wears them out because they get no rest. Then when our O does have a quick strike score, it helps a little, but it further erodes the D because they again get no rest. When we get behind in the 3rd quarter, you can clearly see this playing out.
A traditional offense can also suffer these consequences, but usually the effects are much less severe, because when they have a successful series, which includes scoring drives or even just picking up a few first downs, they generally give their defense a good rest and good field position.
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Oculus Spirit [83625]
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I'd prefer to use Bama's model***
Dec 12, 2012, 10:30 AM
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or UGA, or LSU, or Wisconsin, or Stanford, or....***
Dec 12, 2012, 10:34 AM
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Re: offense if not our problem, defense is***
Dec 12, 2012, 10:20 AM
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And if Morris leaves then offense becomes a problem too. Clemson won 10 games on the back of CM's offense. The defense couldn't stop an old lady using a walker.
If Morris leaves it will be a huge hit to Clemson. Hopefully they will be able to find a OC that can have similar success.
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our fans are in for a rude awakening when leaves
Dec 12, 2012, 10:21 AM
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back to 6-7 wins years.
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Oculus Spirit [83625]
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Tell me please the combined winning record of the 10 teams..
Dec 12, 2012, 10:27 AM
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We beat? Our ACC opponents that we beat were 36-49.
If Morris leaves we will replace him.
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Beating up on third graders isn't fun?***
Dec 12, 2012, 10:28 AM
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Heisman Winner [108390]
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serious street cred when i was a 2nd grader.***
Dec 12, 2012, 10:29 AM
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We played two good teams this year, FSU and the coots.
Dec 12, 2012, 10:46 AM
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Our offense tanked against the coots, no doubt. I think a lot of that had to do with us simply being outmanned up front and Tajh rushing every throw, but that has already been debated to death. Whatever the reason, our offense didn't get it done.
Both Clemson and Florida scored 37 points against FSU. The difference was that Florida's defense held FSU to 26, while our defense gave up 49.
We had one really bad perfromance on offense, while our defense was consistently horrible. Our biggest, most pressing concern this year was unquestionably our defense.
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so you're not cool with 10-2 got it... lets go back to pro
Dec 12, 2012, 10:35 AM
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style, i formation set like the Tommy West days and go 3-8 every year.
Ya'll confuse me as to what the objective is...to win or be mediocre?
We lost to two top 10 teams b/c we had no defense to get the stops we needed. Personel was the glaring issue in our secondary. We shore that up and produce stops then our offense is on the field more with more chances to score.
'Gimmick' offenses is what has us hanging around the top 10 every year. Defense is what has kept us out of the top 10. You can act like the reason we have no defense is b/c of the offense but that is just a new way to frame your argument but not factual.
If they go get a guy who isn't spread, up tempo based offense then we will watch our team dwindle back to where we started. Unless you're alabama or lsu and have 5 stars at every position then that old syle run it down your throat style offense ain't workin'. you gotta evolve and keep up with the times.
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Re: "The next OC will be a similar-minded guy"
Dec 12, 2012, 10:49 AM
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The spread offense isn't a gimmick...not sure why you'd think that. I'd consider a "gimmick" to be something that's far different than what others are doing. The hurry-up spread O may have started as a gimmick when it was initially introduced in its current form, but it's mainstream now. Nothing gimmicky about it.
Even though in the past it was mainstream, at this point Paul Johnson's option offense is a gimmick....so just hope we don't go after him.
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IDK...
Dec 12, 2012, 10:14 AM
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Heard they might close the school
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Re: IDK...
Dec 12, 2012, 10:43 AM
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> Heard they might close the school
To you being able to attend any function at the school!!
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Oculus Spirit [83625]
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Whoa...
Dec 12, 2012, 10:45 AM
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Slow down there, cowboy. You're hurting my feelings.
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he forgot the BOOM!!!!!***
Dec 12, 2012, 10:47 AM
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Oculus Spirit [94260]
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This is kinda like having a fine azzed wife.
Dec 12, 2012, 10:22 AM
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When you and she enter a room every eye is on her. The guys all looking trying to figure out if they have a shot and the girls looking to see if she is looking at their man, knowing she could walk over and with a smile take them away.
Sounds horrible? Not so. They could all think she is an ugly pig.
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You say Clemson will be fine. Yes, they will be fine if you
Dec 12, 2012, 10:29 AM
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are satisfied with the mediocrity that Clemoson fans have lived with for the last 31 years.
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Rock Defender [54]
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So CM is the ticket to not being
Dec 12, 2012, 11:00 AM
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Mediocre?
10 wins is mediocre?
Help me understand please.
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Yes, mediocrity with ten wins against the weak sisters
Dec 12, 2012, 11:45 AM
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of the ACC. We played two good teams and lost both.
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Really?
Dec 12, 2012, 11:02 AM
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"Now we stand with 10 wins, and a chance to win 11. Even with a loss, our year goes down in the books as one of the most successful ever."
Really? So now the table is set with even a loss to LSU, FSU and Usuc....this is "year goes down in the books as one of the most successful....ever!"
I guess I fundamentally differ with some fans on how we define success. Probably one of our best wins was against NC State and their season was so bad they got their coach fired.
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Check the record books
Dec 12, 2012, 11:08 AM
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There is no disclaimer next to records with opinions on wins or winning percentage of opponents.
10 wins is 10 wins. It's a fact and will go into the books.
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