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Will Dabo Change?
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Sep 29, 2025, 8:11 PM
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I think the best possible outcome from this disaster of a season would be Dabo reconstructing the coaching staff and going all in on paying top dollar for transfers and high-level recruits. We need to be taking around 20 guys a year to rebuild this current roster — new blood that hasn’t been messed up due to the current staff and attitude regarding college football in the modern era. I have serious doubts about Dabo doing that at all — I think he’d rather us go 8-4 every year than get serious about winning if it means doing things he doesn’t want to — and think if he’s not going to he needs to leave and let someone else play in the modern era. What do yall think is more likely? Dabo giving in on all of the stances and statements he’s made to get this team back on track, or continuing to be stubborn for the sake of “morals” and wanting to stick to the “old way” of college football? It’s not the same sport as it was pre 2020 whether you like it or not
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Re: Will Dabo Change?
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Sep 29, 2025, 8:14 PM
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I think he will tweak here and there but I don’t think he will go “All In.” I hope I’m wrong but…
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Dynasty Maker [3147]
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Re: Will Dabo Change?
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Sep 29, 2025, 9:15 PM
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I agree with you and doing that is not going to get us to where we need to be. It is now a 100% business and needs to be run like one if he is going to prosper.
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Game Changer [1754]
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Re: Will Dabo Change?
Sep 29, 2025, 9:26 PM
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I tend to agree
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Re: Will Dabo Change?
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Sep 29, 2025, 9:26 PM
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Not much.
Just never thought I would live to see the day a team quit on that man.
Can't believe the slop standing emotionless on the sidelines in Clemson uniforms. Total embarrassment.
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Re: Will Dabo Change?
Sep 30, 2025, 7:44 AM
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At what point in the season do you think they quit on him? Just curious to hear another perspective. I tend to lean towards after we lost to LSU.
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Re: Will Dabo Change?
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Sep 30, 2025, 3:25 AM
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It's patch-work at best with adding Garrett
Riley next Matt Luke, and this past season
Tom Allen. That's like your tires are goin
flat and you are plugging them, eventually
you are forced to upgrade to all new tires
because the plugged ones are not dependable
and your driving on borrowed time before
major blowouts leaves you stranded.
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Gridiron Giant [15609]
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Apparently you dont know -
Sep 30, 2025, 7:03 AM
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Head coaches hire, miss on, and fire coaches every season. Dabo is not immune, and has fixed the misses.
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Re: Will Dabo Change?
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Sep 29, 2025, 9:26 PM
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Dabo will not change more than a few “percentage points” from anything he’s doing or has done. If there are staff changes they will be minimal. If there are transfer portal changes it will be a slight uptick you may see double the amount of transfers next year on the extreme high side and we may see 1 or two position coaches get replaced but I’d expect basically nothing.
I think Cade is just okay as a qb. We hit on two back to back generational talents and this is just the program we are. The defense lacks that dominant rush we always had and this is just who Clemson football is. We’re going to squeak out a conference or playoff win here and there but be ready to be competing to the wire for an ACC bid with more 8 way tie breaker possibilities and a 1st round loss in the playoffs if we get real lucky and beat a bad fsu or Miami. We are back to a 2009-2013 kind of program.
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Hall of Famer [8864]
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Re: Will Dabo Change?
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Sep 29, 2025, 10:10 PM
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Nope!
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Gridiron Giant [15609]
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What is there to change?
Sep 29, 2025, 10:17 PM
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The starting QB?
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Dynasty Maker [3149]
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Re: What is there to change?
Sep 29, 2025, 10:20 PM
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So is it Vizzina or Denson to turn this season around? And next year? Surely you don’t mean a portal QB?
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Orange Blooded [2290]
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Austin Simmons ***
Sep 29, 2025, 10:26 PM
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Gridiron Giant [15609]
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Portal QB maybe. As you alluded to it depends on CV.
Sep 29, 2025, 10:49 PM
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If Cade is still struggling after 2 weeks to settle down, he will be yanked after the 2nd series.
Even if Cade returns to form after the layoff, Vizzina needs meaningful minutes with the ones. Not only to see if he can run the show next year, but we may need him this year if Cade goes mental again.
So either way, we need to see CV with some meaningful snaps to know whether or not we need an immediate starter from the portal. Denson seems to have some skills, but maybe he’s a little green.
I’m not anti-portal, but we haven’t needed any or had any room. It’s especially handy when you have guys transferring out, like virtually everyone except us. Nobody leaves in the portal. We’ve literally lost one starter ever.
But as this wave of natural attrition hits much higher than normal, there will be several opportunities for portal guys. I wouldn’t be surprised if we saw a couple younger dudes transfer out too, making the portal a need.
We’ll see about all that starting this Saturday. Go Tigers!
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Re: Will Dabo Change?
Sep 29, 2025, 10:13 PM
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No
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Gridiron Giant [15609]
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Nothing to change. Need the QB to play like hes capable.
Sep 29, 2025, 10:17 PM
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If he did that then we’d be 3-1 or 4-0, and none of this ridiculous hand-wringing is happening.
Yall literally can’t see the forest for the trees.
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Dynasty Maker [3149]
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Re: Nothing to change. Need the QB to play like hes capable.
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Sep 29, 2025, 10:24 PM
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So Dabo should stay with Cade? And squeeze the greatness we need out of him?
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Gridiron Giant [15609]
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Youre right. I thought the OP was talking more longterm.
Sep 29, 2025, 10:53 PM
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So yeah, if Case isn’t seeing his guys and showing composure in the pocket after two series, it’s time to sit. Sorry Cade. Watch from the sidelines a little bit. It’s “big boy football”, and you can’t get your feelings hurt, as Dabo told him after LSU.
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Gridiron Giant [15609]
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I mean even Josh Pate mentioned in regards to the portal.
Sep 29, 2025, 11:14 PM
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Clemson isn’t bringing in many because they don’t lose anyone. That’s the simple fact of the matter.
And NIL, again, we pay our guys just fine. What we don’t do is spend it on guys following solely that paycheck.
As far as coaches, I hate to put it out there but I think Eason and Rumph need to amp things up immediately. They may or may not be practicing them hard, but they sure don’t seem to be playing with needed want-to and physicality up front. And just not generating enough pressure with the front. We know they can do it because we’ve seen it. I thought we’d see balls to the wall in their money year, but we just don’t seem to there as of now. Maybe the coaching has fallen of deaf ears, I don’t know. But it’s something to keep on eye on.
I don’t know of any others.
Riley needs his QB to play right before we can really talk about him. Heck we were 11th in offense just last year, so we know the system can work.
Grisham is fine except he needs to get them guys blocking better. I’m getting tired of seeing passes to the flat getting blown up because the WR missed a block. The dropsies should tighten up some.
Spiller is doing really well, albeit we’ve missed on some. We did just sign the #5 RB in the country, so there’s that. Really when you step back and look at it, the RB group has been the strongest part of the offense since 2021, save last year when Cade showed out and Mafah was banged up.
A change I am interested in is the pending retirement of Batson. I do think some new blood here could be a good thing.
Those are the common ones, although I’m sure there are guys on here who want to just fire all sorts of people up to and including Dabo.
So what else do we want to change?
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Game Changer [1754]
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Re: Nothing to change. Need the QB to play like hes capable.
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Sep 29, 2025, 10:41 PM
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What games have you been watching? Literally every qb I watched last Saturday is better than Cade. Personally I hope we go 2-10 so I can predict Dabo’s post Carolina speech. What do you think is happening to our recruiting while all these pre season first round selections are sliding out of the top 3 rounds. Cade is literally projected in the 7th round. He was a pre season heisman candidate. I’m sick of the sunshine pumping. Let’s hurry up and get to softball season.
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Gridiron Giant [15609]
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I mean you guys just dont seem to understand -
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Sep 29, 2025, 10:15 PM
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We’d be 3-1 or 4-0 if our Heisman frontrunner was playing anything close to that. Then nobody would even be talking about “changes”.
It’s literally just that simple.
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Sep 29, 2025, 10:26 PM
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But he’s not, coach. Please tell us how Dabo is gonna get his senior QB to play like we need him to play?
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Sep 29, 2025, 10:32 PM
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Dabo said in his interview tonight they are going to mix in tempo since Cade seems to play a little better when he has less time to think.
We will see how that goes…
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Game Changer [1754]
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Re: I mean you guys just dont seem to understand -
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Sep 29, 2025, 10:33 PM
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Dabo is 100% correct on that assessment…why has it taken three years to come to that conclusion?
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Sep 29, 2025, 10:34 PM
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I added the part about less time to think 
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Sep 29, 2025, 11:35 PM
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That part is key. It’s wild to say that a third-year QB needs less time to think to make good plays but here we are
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Re: I mean you guys just dont seem to understand -
Sep 29, 2025, 11:32 PM
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I said it three times in the last month: Cade is way better running tempo.
Before you think I’m bragging, I think EVERYONE except Dabo can see that. Or maybe Dabo does and Riley hates tempo. Idk but it’s as clear as day to see.
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Re: We have been mixing tempos for all 3 of those years.
Sep 30, 2025, 9:36 AM
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Did anyone say we do not run it ever? The closest thing to that would be my tongue-in-cheek comment about Riley hating it. It was extensively used at TCU
Where in the world do you come up with these absolutes?
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Gridiron Giant [15609]
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Blah blah blah fail.***
Sep 30, 2025, 4:57 PM
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Re: I mean you guys just dont seem to understand -
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Incorrect about none of this hand wringing would be happening and change wouldn’t need to be made. There is a plethora of evidence that some saw the hires being subpar. It was clear as day to me that the Grisham hire was bad from year two on. Really some could be seen in year one. And playcalling has been questioned since like 19. Have you never heard the Waffle House menu jokes? Been going on for years. Including last year, where you like to point out how great Cade was. Recruiting is slipping. Been talked about as nauseum for years. Portal non-use. Years of chatter.
So you are 100% wrong.
And you’re also wrong about it being the QB. Care to answer me about your expertise vs PFF grades? Which are very very low for the o line? You wouldn’t answer me twice before, so I’m sure you won’t now.
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Re: I mean you guys just dont seem to understand -
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Sep 29, 2025, 11:51 PM
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Hate to say it but you have to get a first down in order to run tempo and that seems to be a huge problem for the tiger offense
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Sep 30, 2025, 9:42 AM
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True. But when we do get a first, it’s looking over at sideline, changing calls, D adjusts, call change again, there is 4 seconds left, heave the ball on 2nd and 4 after a six yard run.
It’s not just tempo. It’s lack of pre snap motion, no misdirection, just line up and out athlete the other team.
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Gridiron Giant [15609]
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Saaawing and a miss!
Sep 30, 2025, 4:59 PM
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It’s the same offense we were running last year when we were 11th in the country. The difference? The QB.
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Head Coach [931]
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Re: Saaawing and a miss!
Sep 30, 2025, 5:41 PM
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Now you’re arguing a different point. My only point was people would still see problems.
Your pride won’t let you admit you’re wrong
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Gridiron Giant [15609]
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No, actually Im
Sep 30, 2025, 6:37 AM
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100% correct.
By the way, it became clear you’re taking out of your butt when you said Grisham failed in year 1.
Grishams first year saw the most productive passing game in Clemson history. Grisham turned also ran Cornell Powell into an NFL draft pick, and he elevated Amari Rodgers into a high pick.
Playcalling is great when the QB executes. We were 11th in offense last season.
What Waffle House menu? And what does that have to do with anything! Are you aware Dabo doesn’t even carry a playsheet anymore.
What’s been going on for years??
What is your plethora of evidence of anything?
The portal has been addressed over and over again. We don’t lose anyone and we don’t demote or kick anyone off the team. There’s no room, and great portal guys don’t move to be depth.
What does “years of chatter” mean?
Never said all groups have graded well, but without a QB it doesn’t matter. If the QB is missing basic and game changing plays every single week, and because of it we are 1-3 instead of 3– or 4-0, well then yeah the primary issue effecting the team is the QB isn’t getting t it done.
You literally didn’t get any of that correct.
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Re: No, actually Im
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Sep 30, 2025, 8:48 AM
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You have clear reading comprehension problems. Like very bad.
And you’ve gone over transfers according to you, as if it is fact. You glaze over or ignore the baked in “we are young” excuse every year because of losing 8-10 and replacing w freshmen. Ignored either we develop guys w awesome coaches or we don’t. You think we do I’d guess. Lose them then reload w projects.
The menu, etc: I’m telling you you are wrong about there would be no complaining from fans. You’re just wrong there.
You present your opinions as facts then double down, Rainman.
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Re: No, actually Im
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Sep 30, 2025, 9:22 AM
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To summarize, since it’s clear you only think QB is the issue and you can’t take into account the possibility that there are other issues and English is difficult : at 3-1 or 4-0 some of us would still see the glaring issues. And have for some time. Some of us see a talent deficiency. Some of us see very little to no development nearly across the board, especially WR.
Could we be wrong about some of this? For sure. Could we be wrong about all of it? Better chance of winning the lottery. There are issues. They started years ago and it’s not just QB.
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Re: No, actually Im
Sep 30, 2025, 5:39 PM
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Btw, your facts about best receiving year aren’t even close. 16,18,19 were all superior. 5009 yards in 16, 4185 in 18, 4325 in 19.
Take into account that ETN accounted for a whopping 14% (588) of those yards, and you’ve failed even more with your stat. That was the year ETN went off receiving, more than any year prior.
Why did Powell and Rogers go off? (If you call it that)? Previous years had Tee, Ross, Higgins and Renfrow. Powell nor rogers got near the touches. But that’s subjective thinking, I don’t expect you to get that.
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Re: No, actually Im
Sep 30, 2025, 6:03 PM
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Objective thinking *
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Gridiron Giant [15609]
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Ive addressed every emotional claim youve made.
Sep 30, 2025, 8:44 AM
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Why do you keep doubling down?
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Re: Ive addressed every emotional claim youve made.
Sep 30, 2025, 9:47 AM
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And your take is the correct one, no matter what? Quite pompous. Where do you coach? Mom’s basement?
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no emotion here.......explain what you mean by "doubling down"
Sep 30, 2025, 11:55 AM
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nothing about what I've said has been correctly "challenged" by anyone or considered "risky".........it is what it is.........the truth.
you have my requested chart ready yet??
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Re: Ive addressed every emotional claim youve made.
Sep 30, 2025, 3:47 PM
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Why do you keep doubling down?
Man. That’s like the pot calling the kettle black coming from Rainman himself.
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Donate more to nil ... will get any player
Sep 30, 2025, 8:10 AM
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You want if you donate 10mil or more.
You'll still get a lot 16 parking pass though.
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Re: Donate more to nil ... will get any player
Sep 30, 2025, 8:14 AM
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Please stop with the “we don’t have the money” lie. Ole Miss brings in 20+ transfers each year and I’m pretty sure they don’t have more NIL money than we do. ####, even UVA just rebuilt their roster with NIL This and the “we don’t have enough space on the roster” are just tired excuses
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