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Not saying that Clemson doesn’t need to spend
Dec 19, 2022, 10:07 AM
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more on basketball, but what do they need added money for?
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Re: Not saying that Clemson doesn’t need to spend
Dec 19, 2022, 10:49 AM
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That's a false narrative. The university did a consulting study in the 2011-2012 time frame. It's conclusions is what we implemented. We brought our program to respected levels. Renovation and coaching hires implemented over a 5 year stretch. The rest is up to Brad to essentially bring it home. Hence Neff 's letter.
Not looking for dramatic overnight success but rather is the program progression upward while still maintaining our core values. We'll see. So far, things look positive for this year. The other barometer is recruiting. Is that progression? TBD.
Brad may or may not be the coach of the future. But the university study concluded there was no reason to keep firing and bringing in new coach if the support system wasn't in place. Yes, you may achieve temporary success with smoke and mirrors but the goal is long-term sustainable success. Let the process play out. We have a good team this year.
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Re: Not saying that Clemson doesn’t need to spend
Dec 19, 2022, 11:19 AM
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If he makes the Big Dance again this year, that would be 3 of the last 5 years. I'm not a Brad fan and still feel we need a higher profile coach who can attract higher caliber recruits and one with better coaching chops but 3 of the last 5 years in the Big Dance is the kind of consistency I would expect from Clemson.
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Re: Not saying that Clemson doesn’t need to spend
Dec 19, 2022, 11:03 AM
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It depends on what you want to achieve. If you want a consistant top 20 program, we would likely need facility improvements and a top tier coach. If we want a mid-tier program then no additional funds needed as we are already there.
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Re: Not saying that Clemson doesn’t need to spend
Dec 19, 2022, 11:15 AM
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What facility improvements are needed? Little John just remolded, locker just remolded and a nice practice facility?
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Re: Not saying that Clemson doesn’t need to spend
Dec 19, 2022, 11:21 AM
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If we did attract a high-profile coach, he would only come with expectations that we would spend on whatever priorities he deemed necessary to put us on par with elite-level programs. I assume he would want those plans in place in order to attract higher-profile players.
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Re: Not saying that Clemson doesn’t need to spend
Dec 19, 2022, 12:49 PM
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My question is, what facilities need upgrading? If that is what is needed to improve basketball, then so be it. But what exactly needs improvement? I don’t know what is needed but have heard several say the Tigers need to spend money on basketball.
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Re: Not saying that Clemson doesn’t need to spend
Dec 19, 2022, 12:26 PM
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What facility improvements are needed? Little John just remolded, locker just remolded and a nice practice facility?
Before we had the football only facility we already had a nice stadium, locker rooms and IPF. So why did we spend ~ $80M on the football facility? Even more head scratching we spent the money on a football facility already having success in football which is not the case for basketball.
One more thing we need which I forgot to mention in the first response. We will need serious NIL funds. Some even think we can keep the current coach and skip improving facilities if we just can find roughly $1M to $2M per year in NIL for basketball.
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Re: Not saying that Clemson doesn’t need to spend
Dec 19, 2022, 12:48 PM
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Considering how long Brad has been here in Clemson and the extensive support network that time has allowed him to develop with program boosters and backers, he shouldn't have much issue helping implement something like that. While lowly T-Netters might be ignorant as to how well Brad has actually performed over his twelve years here, certainly this wouldn't apply to the informed booster class that is closer to the program and knows better. Should be a slam dunk for such a tenured, treasured talent.
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Re: Not saying that Clemson doesn’t need to spend
Dec 19, 2022, 12:57 PM
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Again what facilities need to be improved?
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Google can be a useful tool
Dec 19, 2022, 1:02 PM
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Here's Kentucky's basketball facilities.
https://wildcats360.com/wbb/
I'm sure you can Google just about any team to see what facilities they have, including Clemson.
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Re: Google can be a useful tool
Dec 19, 2022, 1:22 PM
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Well we have shared facilities. I don't think anyone wants to swap Kentucky with Clemson. Kentucky is a basketball school. Clemson and Florida, or Clemson and lsu probably better comparison. Or even Bama. Look at Baylor facilities. Ours are better.
I know judge and maybe a few others around here would love it if we became Kentucky or Duke. I don't. But as mentioned above, we're doing enough to be successful in bball now as outlined by our bot and investments already made.
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Duke plays basketball in a 80 year old 3 car garage
Dec 19, 2022, 2:05 PM
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I have been there.
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Re: Google can be a useful tool
Dec 19, 2022, 2:18 PM
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Since he kept asking, I was just pointing out to the OP that he could google to see what our facilities look like compared to others.
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Re: Not saying that Clemson doesn’t need to spend
Dec 19, 2022, 1:20 PM
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I was responding to the suggestion of ramping up NIL payouts and buying players to help overcome Brad's struggles with recruiting. Since he's only managed to turn an average 44th ranked recruiting class over the past five years into an average 76th place final finish, Brad would need to start reeling in a Top 15 average class to lift results to 25th.
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Re: Not saying that Clemson doesn’t need to spend
Dec 19, 2022, 2:01 PM
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Okay, so I googled Clemson Basketball Facilities and what I saw was not that much different than the Kentucky facilities in the post above.
I see where Kentucky has a nutrition center that Clemson does not, what else does Clemson need facility wise?
I realize we don’t have a 15,000 or 20,000 seat gym but then again I don’t think we need one at this time.
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Again, you’re asking what we need.
Dec 19, 2022, 7:31 PM
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When I hear that, I hear:
“What is the minimum we can spend on basketball so that its needs are met?”
Instead, how about:
“What can we provide our basketball to not only address its needs, but also its wants, so that we are setting the standard for basketball support?”
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Re: Not saying that Clemson doesn’t need to spend
Dec 19, 2022, 7:25 PM
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I think you meant rebuild. Looked like it was taken down basically to the foundation from the photos I saw. IMO a state of the art practice facility was needed more than a massive rebuild of the arena. It wss definitely a much improvement over the existing facility and understand CBB was on board with the plan. Not aware how it compares to other ACC members. If it doesn't compare well to many others, then more should've been spent on the practice facility than LJ since that's where the players spend most of their time.
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It’s not about what’s needed as much as it is about what’s wanted.
Dec 19, 2022, 7:29 PM
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When we built the Alan N. Reeves football complex, did we need it? Did we need a slide? Did we need a barber shop? Did we need nap rooms? Did we need mini golf?
It’s about being innovative and forward-thinking. We didn’t do that with our basketball facility upgrades (which are no longer new, by the way - not even close).
Our basketball facilities are nice. They no longer hold us back. But they don’t wow recruits. Don’t you think we need to wow recruits to overcome our horrible basketball history and the reputation we have of being a football school to a fault?
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Re: Not saying that Clemson doesn’t need to spend
Dec 19, 2022, 6:25 PM
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We need more fans in the stands, more LJ Loonies.
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To afford a better coach***
Dec 19, 2022, 6:29 PM
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Re: Not saying that Clemson doesn’t need to spend
Dec 19, 2022, 8:24 PM
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Fact is Brad can’t recruit. He is a great man and not a bad X and O guy. Did I say he can’t recruit nor can he instill confidence in his players on the road.
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Re: Not saying that Clemson doesn’t need to spend
Dec 19, 2022, 8:37 PM
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Money, that's the answer to everything.
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