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Rooter [228]
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Are the rumors true?
Feb 13, 2013, 1:01 PM
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About Clowney begging to come to Clemson, but we denied him because of his grades? Does anybody know if this is true or just hearsay?
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Totally incorrect, ridiculous even.
Feb 13, 2013, 1:02 PM
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We were after him HARD!
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Hard for like a week and a half***
Feb 13, 2013, 8:18 PM
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Aren't you supposed to call a doctor for that?***
Feb 16, 2013, 4:35 PM
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point sir***
Feb 16, 2013, 4:40 PM
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Re: Totally incorrect, ridiculous even.
Feb 13, 2013, 8:51 PM
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did not have the grades to get in, that's why the cockerel's had to get the NCAA to give him a waver because of a learning disability
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Re: Are the rumors true?
Feb 13, 2013, 1:03 PM
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HERESY.... I THINK.
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Hershey***
Feb 13, 2013, 1:09 PM
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CU Medallion [50702]
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No. Hershey was my dog. I meant heresy in this case.***
Feb 13, 2013, 1:13 PM
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Sure you didn't mean "hearsay"? And yes........
Feb 13, 2013, 1:27 PM
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I'm bored.
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Re: Sure you didn't mean "hearsay"? And yes........
Feb 13, 2013, 1:29 PM
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Not as boerd as I am... and yes, I meant heresy from the beginning . Look it up.
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CU Guru [1103]
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Um, okay.........
Feb 13, 2013, 1:42 PM
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Really not trying to be jerk here, but are you sure about that? Which meaning are you referring to?
Heresy (noun):
? an action or belief that opposes the official principles of a religion and is considered wrong.
? an action or belief that is very different from things people usually do or believe and is considered wrong
more.
It's all good, but you have me curious now.
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Re: Um, okay.........
Feb 13, 2013, 8:20 PM
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That second one - what he said is not what I believe to be true.
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Re: Are the rumors true?
Feb 13, 2013, 1:10 PM
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I sure don`t know about the "begging" part but I do know that he would not qualify to get into Clemson
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Re: Are the rumors true?
Feb 13, 2013, 1:40 PM
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Ok thanks, thats what i wondering.
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No, that's not true. We would have taken him in a heartbeat***
Feb 13, 2013, 1:13 PM
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Wrong, he would have had to go the prep school route….
Feb 13, 2013, 8:19 PM
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SCU only got him in under the ###### designation, not even Alabama is willing to do something like that.
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I know it's fun to believe that all our players
Feb 13, 2013, 1:16 PM
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are straight-A students, and we would turn away anything less(completely untrue, seen it first hand) but our staff would have found a way to get him in.
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110%er [6781]
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CU and SCar both can get in state players in easier than
Feb 13, 2013, 1:24 PM
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out of state. But Clowney got a diagnosis to get into SCar. otherwise it was prep school.
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Re: I think Clowney was an LD admission into uSC........
Feb 13, 2013, 2:21 PM
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all of them HAVE to be LD to want to go there!!
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Re: Clowney told one of our coaches
Feb 13, 2013, 2:28 PM
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Heard that before but how do you know it's true???
Which coach did he say that to
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He told Coach Hobby...he wanted to play for Hobby at Clemson***
Feb 15, 2013, 11:28 AM
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Re: I know it's fun to believe that all our players
Feb 13, 2013, 2:14 PM
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All our players are not all A students, but we certainly have walked away from a number of recruits that could not get past our entrance committee. It is well documented. I remember us turning one kid down that UNC took, as our standards were higher than theirs. There is not as much wiggle room as many think, and there are many who must go JC or to prep school first. Coots got him in, I believe, on a "learning disability" waiver. We couldn't do that, even if he had wanted to come to Clemson, which I doubt he did.
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Let's see, 13 out of 13 football seniors for 2012 season….
Feb 13, 2013, 8:24 PM
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got their degree. We do a good job of getting the message across to our student athletes to excel in the classroom. With SCU's academic track record, you have to be on drugs to try to even compare us to that degree factory in Cootlumbia.
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Re: Are the rumors true?
Feb 13, 2013, 1:25 PM
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I think any major BCS school would have been able to get Clowney in. He takes a lot of abuse about his intelligence but he is capable of completing college work. Not necessarily engineering or architecture but if you check most football players majors that is not what they are studying either.
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If you're going to make statements like
Feb 13, 2013, 1:31 PM
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Clowney has a learning disorder, you'd better be da*n sure of it. (Proof) False personal attacks make all of us look like pathetically sore losers.
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Re: If you're going to make statements like
Feb 13, 2013, 1:34 PM
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this whole thread makes us look like "pathetically sore losers", I'm afraid. Unbelievable.
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LOL. Who would vote for this?
Feb 13, 2013, 5:13 PM
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..onsidering the fact that Jadaveon Clowney himself admitted to having an LD?
"On Monday, Clowney told FOXSports.com that he has a learning disability, the first time he has publicly acknowledged it. A source familiar with Clowney's academic situation confirmed he was diagnosed with his learning disability in middle school by Rock Hill School District Three.
So what you said is incorrect, in several ways. It's weird how you collected votes for that, even after being proven incorrect. How many scoks do you have anyway?
..Still waiting on that apology.
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Re: I think Clowney was an LD admission into uSC........
Feb 13, 2013, 1:33 PM
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All a LD does is allow you more time on standardized tests and classroom tests.
I'm sure these greatly benefitted Clowney, but he still met the minimum NCAA requirements to obtain eligibility.
There is no special exception that allows you to bypass those standards.
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CU Guru [1053]
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Having an LD also changes the minimum NCAA requirements
Feb 13, 2013, 2:09 PM
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and adjusts the types of HS classes that can be used to meet those requirements. It can also allow for other changes in administering tests.
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Yeah, but, other than ALL that stuff you listed, it doesn't
Feb 13, 2013, 2:22 PM
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mean anything...
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i really thought you knew better than that. should of known.
Feb 13, 2013, 8:16 PM
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an ld label gets a lot more than what you describe. and this, uh,disability, wasn't even diagnosed throughout 4 years of hs.
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Ok WillPhil, have your fun,
Feb 13, 2013, 1:39 PM
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But try to reflect every now and again why we consider S. Car to be inherently inferior to us....Classlessness. (Where do you stand?)
And by the way, when using "an" it should be followed by a vowel. We consider ourselves educated too.
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CU Guru [1103]
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What are you even talking about? There is NOTHING at all
Feb 13, 2013, 1:46 PM
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lacking class about anything I said. Not one darn thing.
Are you always so holier-than-thou, even when you don't have a valid reason?
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CU Guru [1103]
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So you have nothing then? If no, how about an apology?
Feb 13, 2013, 2:23 PM
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That's what someone with "class" would do when they make a mistake. Correct?
Where do YOU stand?
By the way,
- It was "an" hour ago...
- The wroker belongs to "a" union...
- "A" one-armed bandit stole my wallet...
- Acting holier-than-though on the internet is "a" universal problem...
Seems you weren't entirely correct with your English lesson.
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Re: So you have nothing then? If no, how about an apology?
Feb 13, 2013, 3:25 PM
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Actually, it's "one hour ago". You don't say "a hundred" do you?
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Re: So you have nothing then? If no, how about an apology?
Feb 13, 2013, 3:26 PM
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And besides, he didn't say all vowels are preceded by "an" he said "an" is proceeded by a vowel.
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CU Guru [1103]
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And?
Feb 13, 2013, 5:09 PM
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He was wrong.
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Re: So you have nothing then? If no, how about an apology?
Feb 13, 2013, 3:43 PM
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Either 'a hundred' or 'one hundred' is correct. Hundred is a word that stands for the number 100. So in saying two hundred, you are saying 2 100's in number speak. Sorry I probably shouldn't be getting into this.
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And one other thing........
Feb 13, 2013, 2:36 PM
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If an acronym is pronounced as individual letters, such as "L-D" (Learning Disability), then the use of "an" in front of it is fully appropriate, i.e. Clowney was an LD admission into South Carolina. Not a darn thing wrong with that.
Please try to be more "educated" when critiquing someone elses education. It only makes sense.
Can I expect that apology soon?
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Re: Ok WillPhil, have your fun,
Feb 13, 2013, 3:32 PM
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Or a pronounced letter such as an acronym like LD.... just saying.
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Completely false....
Feb 13, 2013, 2:09 PM
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While I have my doubts Clowney would have ever succeeded academically at Clemson, his future at South Carolina was secure after the Rock Hill bagmen gave his recently paroled father a job and provided the money for Clowney's mother to buy him a car.
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Re: Are the rumors true?
Feb 13, 2013, 2:24 PM
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Yes it's true!!!!!!! Why in the world would we want the best football player in the south
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Re: Are the rumors true?
Feb 13, 2013, 3:28 PM
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You mispelled "college football".
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funny ...
Feb 13, 2013, 4:27 PM
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...how trite idiots can argue grammar inside of a post about acceptable idiocy...i laugh now.
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Who nehell cares ?
Feb 13, 2013, 5:34 PM
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Oh dear lord.... The kid is stupid , yet uber talented and so both the premise of a rumor or result of any meaningless investigation about its validity is silly. Lets just hope that Clowneys promise to never lose to Clemson while at Sackerlina crashes hard in Cootlumbia next September.
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WillPhil, Some of us don't have the time to sit
Feb 13, 2013, 5:51 PM
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On this website all day refreshing the page hoping someone will argue with them.
And about that apology, what was it for again; calling you out for using a possible learning disorder to take shots at a kid you don't like?
Grow up son, it will do you some good.
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Cmurra apology watch, Day 3.***
Feb 15, 2013, 11:08 AM
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Hershey is who starts most of the heresay
Feb 13, 2013, 6:13 PM
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Around here
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That, sir, is heresey***
Feb 13, 2013, 6:14 PM
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Re: That, sir, is heresey***
Feb 14, 2013, 5:33 PM
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His coaches love posts like this to show him before games. I'm sure this will make the list. It was widely reported that they used one all week in practice last year before the Clemson game about the fact that someone said they practice against better players than him every week.
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Don't know why you responded to that, but okay
Feb 14, 2013, 5:34 PM
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widely reported, ha, alright
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Why do you have the word "tiger" in your handle?
Feb 15, 2013, 11:08 AM
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Pretending to be a fan of your rival on their website is really immature and downright strange. Yet you do it everyday with several different screen names? That's really weird, and it reeks of some deeper personal issues. You really should take a loooong look in the mirror and figure out what the problem is. Nothing wrong with defending the school you like, but at least try to be a stand up guy about it. Can you do it? I'm thinking no.
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Re: Re: Totally incorrect, ridiculous even.
Feb 14, 2013, 5:33 PM
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What is it about the quote excerpted from the article posted on page 2 of this thread that gives you all the impression that USC had anything to do with his being diagnosed? It says he was diagnosed in MIDDLE SCHOOL by Rock Hill District 3. That was before he even started playing football.
Yes, as a result, he was given more time on tests. And, yes, because of that he was able to meet NCAA minimum standards for qualification. There was no NCAA waiver involved whatsoever.
So you all believe that USC is the only school who honored his test scores while all other schools said, "yeah, you qualify but only because you got extra time and we are too good to recognize those otherwise lawful accommodations of your disability"? That would be unconstitutional discrimination.
Not only does Clemson honor scores procured as a result of LD accommodations, they make the same accommodations Clowney received for students who are enrolled there.
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He is lazy according to ALL his teachers and even USuC
Feb 15, 2013, 10:55 AM
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coach Lawing
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Re: Re: Totally incorrect, ridiculous even.
Feb 16, 2013, 3:07 AM
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You really don't have a clue if you think all schools take academically suspect players. Graduation does mean something, and is critical to maintaining the full scholarship quota. And most schools don't just hand out vellum.
The last Clemson player I remember with a major learning disability was Chris Gardocki, and he went pro early largely because of it. Don't fool yourself into thinking the standards at Clemson and South Carolina are the same. There's a good reason the best high school students in SC choose Clemson over South Carolina.
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Re: No....silliness.
Feb 15, 2013, 10:42 AM
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he didnt beg but he wanted to. unfortunately he didnt meet
Feb 15, 2013, 11:22 AM
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academic qualifications.
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Here we go again...
Feb 15, 2013, 12:54 PM
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No, Clemson and South Carolina both have the same academic standards (both follow NCAA requirements), he would have been able to go to either school. Give it up, that was two years ago, he chose to go to South Carolina, move along.
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Re: Here we go again...
Feb 16, 2013, 3:09 AM
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Sorry young man. You are wrong. The NCAA standards are a minimum set. Clemson and other schools can and do have higher standards.
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Re: Re: Here we go again...
Feb 16, 2013, 12:11 PM
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What are Clemson's standards?
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Re: Re: Here we go again...
Feb 16, 2013, 2:44 PM
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At Clemson, it is case by case, but the academics have the final say as long as the SA meets NCAA initial eligibility standards. The football staff has some occasional run-ins with the academics such as last summer when a signed recruit was denied well after signing day and ended up at another D1 university.
It used to be that way at SCU before Spurrier, who threatened to quit after several football recruits who met the NCAA standards were denied admission. SCU relaxed the special admissions standards at Spurrier's request. Bowden tried to do the same thing at Clemson, but it is different there. Remember that Clemson got rid of Danny Ford over academics versus athletics? He didn't want to spend money on the tutoring center and actively campaigned against it.
Another difference, in general, between the ACC and SEC is for NQ's. An NQ (2 per year for football) can enroll at an SEC school, reach the eligibility requirements through whatever means (retaking tests or achieving a minimum college GPA) and eventually play. If an NQ enrolls at an ACC school, he can never play in the ACC at all. It's a brutal and unfair rule. It is possible for an SA to have good classroom performance that earns admission under regular academic standards while having a lower ACT score that doesn't meet NCAA IE standards. That SA can enroll at SCU, make decent grades and then be eligible to play. He can't do that at Clemson.
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All just talk until you show a source.***
Feb 16, 2013, 4:14 PM
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Re: Re: Here we go again...
Feb 16, 2013, 4:55 PM
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To be clear, I'm talking about student athletes, not standards for regular high school students, whom Clemson does have higher admissions standards for than USC does.
I know that other schools impose stricter standards for high school players to qualify than USC does, but I don't think Clemson is one of those schools. What criteria do your "academics" use in deciding whether to admit on a case-by-case basis? In other words, what were the reasons the signed recruit was denied last summer but was still able to enroll at another D1 school? Was he a high school student or prep/juco? Which of those or other reasons would have possibly applied to Clowney? I highly doubt that apparent disinterest in schoolwork is on the list of criteria, if one exists. If I'm wrong I will gladly admit that, but I am pretty sure that the only difference in admissions standards at USC and Clemson pertains to transferability of credits earned at a placement school, with USC being more lax in that regard.
I'm not very familiar with the conference rules regarding NQs enrolling at a D1 school and then gaining eligibility to play for that school. How could the SA not be eligible to play upon enrolling, but is still eligible to enroll and not play? I've never heard of any players doing that, but admittedly have only been following recruiting for 5-6 years so I'm sure it could have happened at some point. Why would they do that though (school and player alike)? Isn't that what prep and juco are for? Would be a waste of a scholarship, if the school could even provide one in that situation, as well as a waste of time for the athlete who has to let rust gather on his abilities while attempting to qualify rather than enrolling in prep school and being able to practice/play while working towards qualifying. No clue how this would benefit either party. Maybe I'm just confused here. I appreciate the fairly civil discussion, by the way.
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He didn't qualify until
Feb 16, 2013, 4:11 PM
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high school graduation, and only then by retaking classes to replace D's on his transcript. It's not clear that Clemson could have accepted him right out of high school. The so-called learning disability would have helped with admission anywhere but his grades were bad from a lack of interest, which is a bright red flag to the academics. Clemson wanted him badly and the coaches could probably have figured out a way through prep school. But they couldn't tell him he would definitely be accepted on signing day.
He seems like a smart enough kid who just doesn't like school, like most kids today. He just needs to get through this semester and then he's set.
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Please show a source for this information.***
Feb 16, 2013, 4:15 PM
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Re: Please show a source for this information.***
Feb 17, 2013, 1:10 AM
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It is called "GOOGLE." Sorry, but I'm not here to teach people how to research.
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So you don't have one...
Feb 17, 2013, 12:13 PM
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And I can assume you just made that up?
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Re: He didn't qualify until
Feb 16, 2013, 4:17 PM
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he ABSOLUTELY would not have qualified for admittion to Clemson out of high school!!this thing bites us in the butt A LOT while barker says we have "a level playing field for recruiting" simply a LIE!!
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Really, I find it hard to believe...
Feb 16, 2013, 4:22 PM
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that we couldn't have somehow managed to get him in if he had chosen Clemson. Sure, our academics across the board are far superior to Carolina but it's not like all of our football players are Rhodes Scholars. For a player of his calibre, you do what you have to do to get his a$$ on the field. PERIOD!
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Re: Really, I find it hard to believe...
Feb 17, 2013, 1:12 AM
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Worst case would have been that he went to prep for a semester to show he was serious about school.
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Why does this generate 77 posts - er,
Feb 16, 2013, 4:20 PM
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excuse me, 78 including my dumba$$ post?
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Re: Re: Re: Here we go again...
Feb 16, 2013, 11:02 PM
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Full disclosure: I did apply for an assist. prof job at SCU over 20 years ago and might have helped the kids there. But I was rejected.
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Re: Re: Re: Here we go again...***
Feb 16, 2013, 11:25 PM
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Re: Re: Re: Here we go again...***
Feb 16, 2013, 11:26 PM
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Re: Re: Re: Here we go again...
Feb 16, 2013, 11:34 PM
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The academics at these schools try to judge whether a player will graduate. The standards are obviously reduced or mitigated for athletes, but they are all expected to perform in the classroom. SCU has reduced admission standards even as the academics there have sought to compete with clemson. That includes at least one clemson grad running a key dept.
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You sure seem worked up over this.
Feb 17, 2013, 12:16 PM
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Are you trying to convince me or yourself?
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Re: Are the rumors true?
Feb 16, 2013, 11:40 PM
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This thread again? C'mon... This is getting ridiculous. Clemson, as well as any school in the country would pull the strings necessary to get this kid. He didn't "fail to qualify" because Clemson doesn't have raised academic standards for the football players. Clowney would never get in as a regular student but then again neither would 90% of high school football players.
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Re: Are the rumors true?
Feb 17, 2013, 1:14 AM
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Again, sorry little man. But you know not of what you speak.
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Can this thread just go away???****
Feb 17, 2013, 12:21 PM
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