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Standout [211]
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So called fans
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Sep 24, 2025, 5:15 PM
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It really disgusts me as a Clemson fan and former Clemson sprinter the things that are coming out of some of your mouths about Dabo and the football team. First of, one bad season is not the end of the world. I know we say that he set a standard and want that standard to stay. How would you feel if you set a standard at your job and had a bad week, and people who know you say that you aren't living up to that standard and need to be fired...after having been good for years. Everyone is entitled to have off days or games. It comes with the territory. Doesn't mean that you should just cut loose someone who is capable of making things happen. Quit being spoiled and let things happen. The man has had a down year before and found the pieces to get everything back together.Most of you complaining are probably the ones who have only followed the team since Dabo took over. One bad year doesn't mean the end of the world. Just means there is another opportunity to make great things happen.
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Clemson Sports Icon [57403]
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The thing is
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Sep 24, 2025, 5:20 PM
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We have been a trend downwards for the last four years. It’s not like it’s just been this season.
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Gridiron Giant [15608]
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No. Thats not true at all.
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Sep 24, 2025, 6:58 PM
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We are 9th in wins since 2021 with only one sub-10 win season. We are the only team with 14 seasons with 9 plus win seasons and that’s happened once.
This season excluded, and it’s not done yet, may continue that streak, but there is no downward trend. That’s a false statement.
We are one of the most consistent winners in the college game. No, we haven’t been “elite” since 2020, but the trend is a flat line that amounts to 9th in wins since 2021. That’s literally just on the cusp of “elite” if you want to consider the top 8 winners as elite.
Not counting those season yet, but there hasn’t been any downward trend over the past 4 season. It’s a flat line.
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Tiger Spirit [9408]
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The fact that you think we are on the cusp of elite renders your opinion void
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Sep 24, 2025, 7:30 PM
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Honestly man, you and Valley Coot are two of the dumbest posters on the entire board.
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Gridiron Giant [15608]
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Are you capable of discussing the facts or nah ?
Sep 24, 2025, 7:37 PM
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Nothing at all dumb saying the primary issue facing our program is the QB.
We’d literally be 3-1 or 4-0 with even an above average QB. Cade is 91st in QBR, hence we are 1-3.
If you’d like to debate the merits of having a good QB in order to succeed, then state your case.
Otherwise that makes YOU the dummy.
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Paw Master [16162]
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Re: Are you capable of discussing the facts or nah ?
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Sep 24, 2025, 11:48 PM
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Facts are that we cant beat a P4 team that isn't a bottom dwelling ACC runt. We used to beat good teams, that doesn't happen any more.
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Gridiron Giant [15608]
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Agreed as far as this yr, but weve been consistent for 4 years.
Sep 25, 2025, 12:15 AM
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10 wins, 11 wins, 9 wins, 10 wins. That’s a nice even 10 wins per year.
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Valley Protector [1478]
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Re: No. Thats not true at all.
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Sep 24, 2025, 8:51 PM
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Stats are great and all. But who did most of those wins come against? Inferior, weak ACC teams. The very conference Clemson is trying to leave. If Clemaon wasn't in the ACC, the spiral down would have been at a much faster rate.
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Gridiron Giant [15608]
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To that point, we are 11th in ranked wins since 2021. Against, not *elite*, but
Sep 24, 2025, 11:25 PM
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9th in wins. 11th in ranked wins.
Now imagine if we had that great QB. We’d have a lot more wins if we had an above average qb play. If DJ and Cade played up to their #1 and #2 national rankings, then things would have been significantly different. Top 8 for sure.
DJ was hard to watch in 2021. DJ played better in 2022. Almost made the 4 team playoff. In 2023, it became pretty clear we didn’t have that out of the box ready guy we saw in the elite years. Cade was a developmental guy. In 2024 Cade improved tremendously. Couldn’t stop the run. In 2025, Cade has at least momentarily lost his head.
2020: 8th QBR.
2021: 95th QBR.
2022: 54th QBR
2023: 69th QBR.
2024: 15th QBR.
2025: 91st QBR.
See the trend? There are no great teams with rankings like that. The great teams have great QBs. It sucks QB hasn’t worked out as we thought it would when we signed the #1 and #2 QBs. Heck we thought we were just gonna keep rolling along.
Maybe Cade can relax and find his game. I hope he can. I’ve seen him do it just last season. so I know he’s capable.
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Valley Legend [12775]
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Thats playing in a pathetic conference
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Sep 24, 2025, 9:19 PM
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We’re 1-8 vs OOC power conference teams since 2021 that finish with 8 or more wins.
Don’t let the wins fool you into thinking we were elite. Cuz we weren’t. And still aren’t.
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Orange Blooded [2140]
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There's been a downward trend.(OOC record, margin of victory, ACC losses)****
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Sep 24, 2025, 10:38 PM
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Gridiron Giant [15608]
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Interesting. If we had more OOC losses and ACC losses and still
Sep 24, 2025, 11:34 PM
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where did we get all the the wins to be 9th in the country?
Who are we beating to maintain an average of over 10 wins a year if we are losing more games to OOC and ACC opponents? Who are we beating to maintain the nation’s longest streak of 9+ wins at 14 years? If not OOC or ACC, who else is there?
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Orange Blooded [2140]
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Nobody w/ a pulse. Asked & Answered ****
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Sep 25, 2025, 1:00 AM
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Top TigerNet [28419]
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Re: So called fans
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Sep 24, 2025, 5:21 PM
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It disgusts me when people don’t use paragraphs.
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Re: So called fans
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Sep 24, 2025, 5:42 PM
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1 bad season
5 years of downward spiral.
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Gridiron Giant [15608]
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False***
Sep 24, 2025, 6:58 PM
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Ring of Honor [22945]
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Re: False***
Sep 24, 2025, 7:07 PM
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What’s false?
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Gridiron Giant [15608]
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Downward spiral is false***
Sep 24, 2025, 7:28 PM
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Valley Protector [1478]
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Re: Downward spiral is false***
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Sep 24, 2025, 8:53 PM
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You are in denial.
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Ring of Honor [22945]
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Gridiron Giant [15608]
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A downward spiral would be indicated by winning less games every year.
Sep 24, 2025, 11:44 PM
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Actually we’ve had 10 wins, 11 wins, 9 wins, and 10 wins. That’s a flat trend line. Not a downward spiral. That’s 10 wins a yesr.
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Mascot [24]
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Re: So called fans
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Sep 24, 2025, 5:42 PM
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You’re spot on, plus paragraphs are overrated.
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Top TigerNet [28419]
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Re: So called fans
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Sep 24, 2025, 7:26 PM
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Not if you read a lot on the phone…
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Hall of Famer [9083]
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Re: Look At It Another Way ---
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Sep 24, 2025, 6:32 PM
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If you knew someone for 15 years and they were healthy as 30 bulls put together for as long as you known them. That person that you know may get sick a day or two...then be back to normal for a long period of time...... again healthy as 30 bulls.
Then later on in time this healthy person you know.....has been not quite himself lately. They don't look the same.....they don't move the same....they don't act the same...... they're missing on things that they usually hit. You're going to dig and pry because you are the friend of this person that you have known. That is a natural reaction.
You ever seen a guy happy when he is married to a woman????? Then when he loses that woman to death or divorce....that guy is not the same......not living right.....in constant grievance.....loss of passion for things he once had passion for....or basically just showing the signs of depression without knowing that they are showing people these characteristics .... symptoms or acts that don't show the best versions of them.
Again imagine this not going on for a day or two out of a 8 month span......but is going on ...at a weekly basis of an 8 month span. So when we see signs of deterioration at a somewhat rapid rate that has never really been............its when you see something...say something...right???????
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Orange Phenom [14961]
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one of the dumbest analogies I've ever read.***
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Hall of Famer [9083]
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Re: Oh So The Football Team We Have Known Is Acting Normal???? ---
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Sep 24, 2025, 6:49 PM
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Ok genius
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Gridiron Giant [15608]
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Re: So called fans
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Dude, what are you even talking about?
You’re talking like people want Dabo put in jail or something. What most are saying and including me is it’s time to move on from Dabo. With that being said most here don’t want him fired. For myself I just think it’s time for him to go ahead and resign. We can put up a statue and remember the good old days of Dabo. But I think it’s time to turn the page and move on. Start fresh.
I do not believe Dabo will change the way he coaches, recruits, and his view on the NIL. I just really don’t. Love Dabo Swinney. Absolutely love him. I just still think it’s time to move on.
You don’t think so, that’s fine. You’re entitled to your opinion. But calling out other fans like we’re less than a fan than you because we feel this way is not how to go about it.
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Gridiron Giant [15608]
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And the NIL yet again.
Sep 24, 2025, 7:00 PM
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We pay NIL on a top notch level.
The issue affecting our program is lacking a great QB. Not portal. Not NIL.
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Clemson Icon [25450]
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Re: So called fans
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Sep 24, 2025, 7:05 PM
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Sorry about the Bravo ! Wrong post !
I am still “ All In “ with Dabo. If he leaves I hope the fans who got the wish remembers what Dabo accomplished !! After 1-3 start fans are ready for a change. I thought Clemson Fans were different, but now they smile every one else. “ What have you done for me lately ??? “
Fans who are impatient and cannot see the big picture and all of the negative influences on college football.
It’s all Dabo’s fault. I say BS ! It’s many factors influencing pay for play football. 🏈
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Gridiron Giant [15608]
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Exactly. And if we had a QB over the last 4+ seasons, then NONE of this
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Sep 24, 2025, 7:09 PM
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nonsense happening here is even a question.
YOU CANNOT WIN AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL WITHOUT A GREAT QB.
Until we solve that we will see what we’ve seen. 9-10 win seasons.
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Re: Exactly. And if we had a QB over the last 4+ seasons, then NONE of this
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Who is responsible for going to get us a QB?
Goodness man… we get it… you think it’s the QB ok enough already literally bombarding every single post with the same regurgitation is getting old.
We get it bro believe… EVERYBODY here gets it.
Give it a rest dude bc very few people actually agree with you.
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Re: Exactly. And if we had a QB over the last 4+ seasons, then NONE of this
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Sep 24, 2025, 7:29 PM
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That horse isn’t just dead; he’s already been cremated…
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Gridiron Giant [15608]
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LOL. That horse is the most critical horse in the stable.
Sep 24, 2025, 7:34 PM
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Ever try driving a car without a solid engine?
It’s THE issue driving the program and has been the case since 2021.
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Gridiron Giant [15608]
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DJ was the #1 QB in the country and Cade was #2.
Sep 24, 2025, 7:32 PM
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We recruited QBs very, very well obviously.
Anyone with half a brain understands the QB is the most important position on the field and when the QB doesn’t perform then you’re not going to be great. The QB has been the primary issue leading us to only 9th in wins in the last 4 seasons .
It simply cannot be factually argued otherwise.
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Re: DJ was the #1 QB in the country and Cade was #2.
Sep 24, 2025, 9:36 PM
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Geezus, you’re a dullard
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Heisman Winner [83828]
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You really like that term
Sep 24, 2025, 10:40 PM
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"Dullard." I know because you have used it with your other Scok's.
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Game Changer [1697]
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Re: So called fans
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Cantrell, you can’t be serious! You can’t be so naive as to think Dabo owes it to you to walk away from $60,000,000.00 just so you can feel good about yourself. And if you are that naive, you may be the most arrogant human I’ve ever encountered. This isn’t the “backyard clubhouse gang” you are asking someone to walk away from. This is the man’s livelihood. And we so valued his services a few years back that we ensured he would not walk away empty handed. It’s a legally binding contract and Clemson University needs to fulfill its end of the bargain. If Clemson University no longer desire his services, the University needs to come up with the cash! You need to put down whatever kind of peace pipe you’ve been smoking and come back to reality!
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CU Guru [1548]
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Sep 24, 2025, 10:33 PM
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Are you kidding me dude?
It’s his “livelihood”?
Like if he walked away or got fired he has nothing? Are you serious?
This has to be really bad sarcasm.
There is no way you actually believe we’d be or he’d be taking his livelihood away if we fired him or he walked.
Dabo is set for life bro. He never has to work another day in his life. Dabo will be just fine either way. At this point… he’s actually legally robbing Clemson bc the ROI ain’t looking so hot nowadays.
If he had the integrity many of you claim… he’d look in the mirror… realize the game has passed him by and he’d walk away on his own and leave us to pick up the pieces from the former powerhouse that he built and then directly destroyed bc of his own pride.
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Re: So called fans
Sep 24, 2025, 11:41 PM
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Arguing that semantic point doesn’t make your post any better.
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Game Changer [1697]
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Re: So called fans
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TigerRag, nothing in my post implies that Dabo is hurting for money. The point, and I made it clearly, is that this is business. It's not as though Dabo took adavantage of Clemson University when he signed that long term contract. Lawyers were present on both sides. You sound like a Gen X'er who believes taxpayers should pay off your student loans. The University saw value in securing Dabo's services long term. They did so with a guarantee of big bucks. But you think since Dabo is a moral man, he should also be a stupid man and let CU off the hook for $60 mil. As I said before, you can't be that naive unless, in fact, you are a Gen X'er. And if you are, "No, I won't pay off your student loans!" You signed the contract. Keep your word! CU will do the same thing, and so will Dabo. Go Tigers!
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Clemson Icon [25450]
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Re: So called fans
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Sep 24, 2025, 6:46 PM
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Excellent Post that I agree with from OP.
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All-In [10867]
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Sep 24, 2025, 7:10 PM
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Ain't nobody got time to read all that....FIRE DABO!
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Tiger Spirit [9408]
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You're an idiot. The end.***
Sep 24, 2025, 7:27 PM
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Orange Blooded [2501]
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It's a definite downtrend, and if you
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still doubt that, then wait until next year when it really gets bad.
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Game Changer [1892]
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Re: It's a definite downtrend, and if you
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When you make, not earn, $30,000 per day - the criticism is there and should be there.
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Game Changer [1751]
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It’s incredible how someone can be this disillusioned. This program has been headed downhill for five years and is about to bottom out. If you are seeing anything else you are denying reality for the sake of blind belief. No, we are not a great QB away. If we had a great QB he’d be sitting on the bench so that Cade can start. The defense getting demolished has nothing to do with Cade. The lack of development on the o-line has nothing to do with Cade. It all falls on the person who actually has control over the coaching staff and roster … DABO.
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Gridiron Giant [15608]
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We were #3 five seasons ago. Since 2021 we are *only* 9th in wins because weve
Sep 24, 2025, 7:41 PM
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had pedestrian QB for most of all seasons since that #3 finish. But it hasn’t been “going downhill”. We have ONE season with less than 10 wins in 14 years man. We have been steady at #9, simply waiting on a QB to perform as expected.
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Game Changer [1751]
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Re: We were #3 five seasons ago. Since 2021 we are *only* 9th in wins because weve
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Uh huh. Who’s responsible for getting a quality QB? Who’s responsible for getting the talent around him? We lost 3 games in 2021 and 2022, 4 games in 2023 and 2024, and now three already. It’s about trajectory and knowing this team will continue sliding downhill due to the pride and weird morality of our head coach. Also, let’s not pretend going 10-3 in the ACC is anywhere close to “best is the standard”
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Dynasty Maker [3156]
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A bad week? What the &@$? bro?***
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I agree 100%. I have never heard so much evil directed toward a man that is the goat of Clemson Football. Everyone has a bad day at the golf course or at work. This is a great Christian man that has given us all the greatest moments we have ever had in Clemson Football and find it with dignity. It is obvious many of you have a soul owned by Satan spewing out your hatred. This certainly is not the fan base I grew up with over the years that helped get Clemson to where it is
today. I’m ashamed of many of this young crowd . Frank Howard, Danny Ford, and Dabo would say to you to find yourself another team to spew your hatred on.
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What a self righteous a$$ you are..to actually say someone’s soul is owned by Satan because they dare criticize a football coach? You sir are the kind of Christian that give the rest of us a VERY bad name
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CU Guru [1548]
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I’m ashamed that I actually took the time to read that garbage you’re spewing?
We’re satan bc we can the truth? Are you kidding me?
Only a self righteous ######### would claim such things about a friggin football coach.
Man look… nobody but people like you give 2 s*it’s about whether Dabo is a good Christian man. I have no doubt he is but that doesn’t matter when we’re talking about football.
His job is to win football games at the HIGHEST level bc he’s paid at the HIGHEST level.
You don’t get to coast on accomplishments from 10 years ago when theirs a clear downward trend over half a decade now.
So I’m sorry but this has nothing to do with whether he’s a good Christian man.
It has everything to do with the fact that he’s become a bad football coach bc of his own pride and handicapping what was once THE PREMIER PROGRAM IN ALL OF COLLEGE FOOTBALL!
Every single bit of this is his fault… now is he alone? Nope not at all but he’s the head man and it falls on him period. He CHOSE to do this. Nobody forced him. Every decision was his and his alone to make. Now he looks like a complete moron bc the rest of college football… literally every single other HC in America except the military schools and us… figured this out 4/5 years ago.
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You should know better
Sep 24, 2025, 8:08 PM
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No one wants to admit when you suck
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