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"We've got to continue to grow and get better".
May 18, 2021, 10:02 PM
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Good. I hope he means that, because that hasn't been that important for the past 11 years.
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Re: "We've got to continue to grow and get better".
May 18, 2021, 11:50 PM
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ABSOLUTELY
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Re: "We've got to continue to grow and get better".
May 19, 2021, 7:20 AM
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Good. I hope he means that, because that hasn't been that important for the past 11 years.
Based on your comments its clear the only thing you care about is getting rid of CBB. No reasonable, unbiased person could share your view...
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CU Medallion [58415]
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False.
May 19, 2021, 3:00 PM
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Period.
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A lot of people here have whined and complained that there aren’t
May 18, 2021, 10:09 PM
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clear expectations for basketball.
Well, DRad has stated specific expectations and also says he is pleased with the year we had.
I’m guessing that still won’t satisfy some of you.
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Re: A lot of people here have whined and complained that there aren’t
May 19, 2021, 12:53 AM
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Completely satisfied that anything less than 4th in the ACC, and victories in the ACC tourney and NCAA tourney or our long national nightmare will finally be over. I see you’ve already begun whining and crying that he needs newer facilities and more money. Are you gonna #### if those objectives aren’t met. That would be minimally “getting better.”
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Re: A lot of people here have whined and complained that there aren’t
May 19, 2021, 7:14 AM
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All I got from it is more BS.
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Re: A lot of people here have whined and complained that there aren’t
May 19, 2021, 7:23 AM
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Just meeting his constant hyperbole with more of the same. No, I expect nothing less than complete and total disaster (i.e. losing overall record) will ever end the Brownell tenure.
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Re: A lot of people here have whined and complained that there aren’t
May 19, 2021, 8:21 AM
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Just meeting his constant hyperbole with more of the same. No, I expect nothing less than complete and total disaster (i.e. losing overall record) will ever end the Brownell tenure.
Its great to get the coot centric viewpoint on CBB. How long until OldRow shares the same opinion?
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Re: A lot of people here have whined and complained that there aren’t
May 19, 2021, 7:10 AM
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This is nothing more than the article on tnet a month ago. DRad said the same thing. In fact, he said more imo on the statement he released last month. I didn't see a date when this took place.
Very evasive using "I think" and "maybe" and "to be honest" phrases. It's like DRads been reading tnet and stating judge's comments. I don't see where he says we have to make the tourney. Citing our poor history is pathetic for an AD to even reference.
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Re: A lot of people here have whined and complained that there aren’t
May 19, 2021, 7:28 AM
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This is nothing more than the article on tnet a month ago. DRad said the same thing. In fact, he said more imo on the statement he released last month. I didn't see a date when this took place.
Very evasive using "I think" and "maybe" and "to be honest" phrases. It's like DRads been reading tnet and stating judge's comments. I don't see where he says we have to make the tourney. Citing our poor history is pathetic for an AD to even reference.
Here are your five takeaways
1) Clemson is not all in with basketball as the ROI + risk do not support more investment
2) Given the cost CBB has done a nice job not only winning games but also running a quality program
3) He would like to win more games but within the current budget
4) Acknowledged that basketball is crazy with the portal situation
5) Unless CBB implodes or loses the team he will be the coach for the foreseeable future
Hopes this helps.
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Re: A lot of people here have whined and complained that there aren’t
May 19, 2021, 10:35 AM
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It might if it wasn’t all nonsense from an idiot.
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Re: A lot of people here have whined and complained that there aren’t
May 19, 2021, 8:23 AM
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Low expectations = Low results
More importantly
Low investment = low results and Lack of context = continual delusion/disappointment
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“Low investment”
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May 19, 2021, 1:11 PM
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LOL
I see you passed Judge K’s online course.
Congerts.
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How is our investment in basketball not low?
May 19, 2021, 4:02 PM
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We pay our head coach 10th in the ACC in salary.
We pay our assistant coaches below the national average, which is automatically toward the bottom of the ACC. One of our assistants just took an assistant job at Boston College, which included a raise above what we paid him.
We upgrade our facilities very infrequently.
All this at a school with the worst basketball history in the ACC.
But I'm sure you will continue to ignore all of these facts, and keep telling yourself that we have an amazing situation for basketball, with an incredible fan base, and that all we need is a fiery coach with passion to make us a big winner.
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I read your posts carefully and really try to figure it out. But...
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May 19, 2021, 5:15 PM
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You continue to ignore these important questions:
1. Would our current head coach and staff become better coaches if they were given bigger salaries?
(If so, why?)
Or
2. Do we need to spend more money and get a new coaching staff?
Based on what you tell us all the time, you must believe in one of those things. So, which is it?
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I think Brad is paid fairly.
May 19, 2021, 10:01 PM
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He is certainly not paid too much, and a good argument could be made that he’s underpaid.
If anything, we should provide a larger budget for assistant coaches and support staff. We are way behind in that area.
Of course paying the same people more wouldn’t magically make them better coaches, but it might give them better incentive to work hard, feel more appreciated, and stay when other opportunities come along.
I haven’t ignored any questions on this topic. In fact, I’ve posted these sentiments hundreds of times here. Either you haven’t been paying attention, your memory is poor, or you’re just being argumentative. I’m assuming the latter at this point.
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Thanks for sort of answering it.
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May 20, 2021, 7:25 AM
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So, if I’m understanding correctly:
1. We have the right head coach, and he is paid enough.
2. We also have the right assistants, but we need to pay them more to make them work harder and feel good about themselves????
Yikes.
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Re: “Low investment”
May 19, 2021, 6:47 PM
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LOL
I see you passed Judge K’s online course.
Congerts.
Glad to see you and visjis are both posting today. Must be slow on FGF
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Re: How many people who actually follow the program...
May 19, 2021, 10:05 AM
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We had a great regular season including beating a school record 8 NCAA teams. We also only lost 1 game that we should have won during the regular season. (Duke)
The end of the season sucked, but two games don’t define your season. I understand that you over-dramatic drama queens think it does, but here in reality it doesn’t.
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Right. Why would we care about the post season?
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May 19, 2021, 10:43 AM
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That’s all a bunch of extra fluff anyway.
Nov-Feb is where it’s at!
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So I'm guessing you consider our 2020 football season
May 19, 2021, 4:04 PM
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a disappointment then, since our postseason included a beatdown by Ohio State in the first round of the playoffs?
I mean, if it's all about the postseason as you say, then no good can be derived from our football season, right?!?
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We won the ACC...
May 19, 2021, 4:41 PM
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Beating the #2 team in the country by 24 points. I thought that was pretty good.
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You're a casual football fan.
May 19, 2021, 4:46 PM
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HTH
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I thought it was pretty good too.
May 19, 2021, 4:51 PM
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I absolutely consider our football season a success.
But since the previous poster stated that postseason is all that matters, I'm guessing he/she finds it hard to look past that huge loss to Ohio State in the playoffs.
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Re: I thought it was pretty good too.
May 19, 2021, 5:48 PM
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The ACC Championship is part of the post season. HTH!
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Yes, but the ACC sucks, right?
May 19, 2021, 7:52 PM
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That’s what is said about ACC basketball here to diminish Clemson basketball. And if ACC basketball is that bad, then ACC football must be really bad.
(I don’t feel that way at all, I am just using TNet message board bball logic and applying it to football).
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Re: Yes, but the ACC sucks, right?
May 19, 2021, 8:08 PM
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I know it’s hard - but try and make sense? The ACC has probably been down in football, but what has our football team done? Won 6 straight division and conference titles. As to any concerns that Clemson isn’t actually good - just winning ACC games they’ve managed 6 straight playoff appearances winning 4 semifinals and 2 championships (you probably weren’t aware of this since you hate our football team).
What has our basketball team done when the ACC was down? Finished 5th in the conference with a first round ACC tourney exit. Finishing 2 spots below a school with less historic success than us (Va Tech) and has a second year coach who inherited a team with 7 freshman and 1 returning starter. But we’re really killing it over here. Just need to spend more money.
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As usual, you’re moving the goalposts to suit your (flimsy) stance.
May 19, 2021, 10:04 PM
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I would ask you to try to keep up, but it seems that you just cant.
I am probably asking too much of you, because it’s becoming clear that you aren’t actually a Clemson hoops fan.
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Re: As usual, you’re moving the goalposts to suit your (flimsy) stance.
May 19, 2021, 10:24 PM
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Why do you hate Clemson sports? Can you show us where they touched you?
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Re: How many people who actually follow the program...
May 19, 2021, 10:10 AM
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I wasn't just pleased but rather stoked overall. We had a very very good season. We played a extremely tough schedule and won. Some folks will look at the flat note at the end, and while a bit disappointing, we still had a great season - likely our 2nd best since Barnes left.
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Re: How many people who actually follow the program...
May 19, 2021, 10:30 AM
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do you think would honestly say they were pleased with the year we had?
Most of our fan base are casual basketball fans who would only remember the 1rd round loss so they would not be satisfied with the season unless you took time to walk them through the accomplishments of the season and also where we have historically finished. Said differently they would not not be satisfied with a B- season unless you reminded them that historically we have been a D+ or C- program.
You could also poll them on pulling some money from the football program to help make the basketball program top tier to see what kind of response you get...
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Re: How many people who actually follow the program...
May 19, 2021, 10:43 AM
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Exactly what’s the line between casual and non-casual fans. Clearly you see yourself on the non-casual side. How many game do you go to a year. How many ACC tourney games have you attended. How many NCAA tourney games have you attended. How many pre-game cocktail receptions have you shaken Brad’s hand at? Let us know o sovereign lord of whose opinion on basketball counts. Historically being a “D+ / C-“ program doesn’t mean we should permanently settle for being a C+ program which would be a generous appraisal of the Brad Brownell tenure.
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Re: How many people who actually follow the program...
May 19, 2021, 3:48 PM
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I was pleased with our season until postseason.
I'll grade us out as a B for regular season but when adding in postseason, the grade drops to a C.
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Re: How many people who actually follow the program...
May 19, 2021, 3:50 PM
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That's like in school. I maintained a B average during the semester but flunked the exam.
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Re: You're a casual basketball fan.
May 19, 2021, 5:46 PM
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I'd be willing to bet that (barring your employment in the basketball program) I've been to more Clemson basketball. It is quite clear to anyone paying attention that you only have one concern - and that isn't the health of Clemson basketball.
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You would be wrong.
May 19, 2021, 7:53 PM
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As usual.
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Re: You would be wrong.
May 19, 2021, 8:10 PM
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Based on? How many games do you go to a season and for what duration have you done so? Is there any professional component to your attendance?
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Re: How many people who actually follow the program...
May 19, 2021, 12:56 PM
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Most everyone was satisfied with the season until the end but how can you be satisfied with losing his best 4 star recruits to VA TEC and Marquette Something is wrong within the program when you see that no other program we have is that happening Who do you blame The Wayerboy
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Re: How many people who actually follow the program...
May 19, 2021, 4:36 PM
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"When you see that no other program is that happening"
As I've said before, open your eyes. Look around. Evaluate the Tigers the same way you would the Gamecocks, Orange, Panthers, etc.
Syracuse has lost 5 men, including 3 starters, to the transfer portal and 12 women. Pitt lost multiple starters. The average in the ACC was 4.2 per team, and that number was calculated April 30. More have announced since then.
Back on April 3, Coach Boeheim told the Syracuse Orange Insider to "buckle their safety belts" because of the new rules governing the transfer portal.
But hey, you are free to remain ignorant and obstinate, and post things that demonstrate that you don't grasp the new limitations coaches must deal with, or the new economic situation ADs must deal with.
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Re: How many people who actually follow the program...
May 19, 2021, 7:00 PM
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Rather you not call me ignorant because my dedication to the tigers since early 1960s will hold with anyone and surpass you Were you at the orange bowl in 1981 when we won our first National Championship Were you in the stands when out basketball team won only regular season championship over Duke No I did not think so I am not concerned what going on with any basketball program other than Clemson It’s obvious we are not gaining any ground when we are losing our best to another ACC school and when an in coming recruit backs out and goes to Wake saying they have a better inside than us You can make all the excuses and justify all you want but that does not win games
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Re: How many people who actually follow the program...
May 19, 2021, 7:46 PM
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Sorry that I called YOU ignorant when what I meant was you are ignorant of the new reality that surrounds college basketball.
The old goalposts are not relevant anymore.
But either DRad is still trying to determine what the new goalposts should be, OR he feels like Coach B is meeting them.
I get the impression that some Tiger fans want to change basketball coaches as frequently as the Fighting Chickens change university presidents (and with just as much competence)...and fool themselves into thinking it's progress.
I've said it before: the logical time to move on from Brownell came and went several years ago. DRad obviously game him some criteria that he is currently meeting, so even though progress is not overwhelming, it is definite and consistent. Good leaders like DRad make bold moves when the environment favors change, not when it punishes you for it.
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Re: How many people who actually follow the program...
May 19, 2021, 7:46 PM
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Sorry that I called YOU ignorant when what I meant was you are ignorant of the new reality that surrounds college basketball.
The old goalposts are not relevant anymore.
But either DRad is still trying to determine what the new goalposts should be, OR he feels like Coach B is meeting them.
I get the impression that some Tiger fans want to change basketball coaches as frequently as the Fighting Chickens change university presidents (and with just as much competence)...and fool themselves into thinking it's progress.
I've said it before: the logical time to move on from Brownell came and went several years ago. DRad obviously game him some criteria that he is currently meeting, so even though progress is not overwhelming, it is definite and consistent. Good leaders like DRad make bold moves when the environment favors change, not when it punishes you for it.
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Re: How many people who actually follow the program...
May 19, 2021, 7:46 PM
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Sorry that I called YOU ignorant when what I meant was you are ignorant of the new reality that surrounds college basketball.
The old goalposts are not relevant anymore.
But either DRad is still trying to determine what the new goalposts should be, OR he feels like Coach B is meeting them.
I get the impression that some Tiger fans want to change basketball coaches as frequently as the Fighting Chickens change university presidents (and with just as much competence)...and fool themselves into thinking it's progress.
I've said it before: the logical time to move on from Brownell came and went several years ago. DRad obviously game him some criteria that he is currently meeting, so even though progress is not overwhelming, it is definite and consistent. Good leaders like DRad make bold moves when the environment favors change, not when it punishes you for it.
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Re: How many people who actually follow the program...
May 19, 2021, 4:15 PM
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The year, yes.
The ending, no.
I once had a choir director who only emphasized the beginning of a piece and the end--very little attention given to the 80% in the middle.
He always said, "Listeners are lazy. If you mess up the start, you lose them for good. If you mess up the end, the listener forgets everything that went before."
If your question re. those who are engaged in supporting the program, that center 80% matters a lot. If you're referring to the lazy fan, like the lazy listener, then only the beginning and ending matter. Since 97% of programs end the season in a loss, with 49% being a 'disappointing' loss, of course we only remember what could have been instead of what was, and who made it happen.
But hey, keep preening, because one day you'll inevitably get a championship team that will reward you for your feelings of entitlement. It won't be about the players, or the program or the coaches; it will be about the preeners who no longer feel ashamed to be Tigers.
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Re: A lot of people here have whined and complained that there aren’t
May 19, 2021, 12:49 PM
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Losing the as you said best recruiting class he ever had is something to whine about When you going to open your eyes to what is happening in front of you and discuss that
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You seem to be completely disregarding the effects of
May 19, 2021, 4:11 PM
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the transfer portal as well as the free COVID year. It has created an unprecedented situation in college basketball where players are free to switch schools without penalty.
As has been stated here numerous times, despite claims otherwise, we have not been hit hard by losses due to transfer this year (or any year). This year, we lost players who graduated or who played insignificant minutes. Obviously, it would be nice to have kept both Prosper and Kidd, but it's anyone's guess as to whether or not those guys will develop like we hoped.
To use the transfer portal, and the "transfer free" card which has been granted to players this year, against our head coach, is bush league. It's especially abhorrent considering the fact that we have added transfers of our own who are talent upgrades this offseason.
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Re: A lot of people here have whined and complained that there aren’t
May 19, 2021, 7:19 PM
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Where the expectations when we went thru several years of not making the big dance and being in the bottom half of the ACC standings being picked near the bottom every year There are no expectations for the BB program as long as the fans don’t gripe
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All-In [44050]
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Because of Brownell, those days are a distant memory.
May 19, 2021, 7:56 PM
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Thank you for illustrating how much he has improved our program from where it was (and has historically been).
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All-Conference [441]
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Re: new interview with DRad about expectations fot bkball
May 18, 2021, 10:37 PM
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after the calendar flipped to February started playing incredibly great basketball, a lot of exciting games, especially at home.Agree. Enjoyed the 63-50 beatdown of UNC at home IN February. Held Roy's running gunning Tarheels to 43 shot attempts. Tigers have beaten UNC 3 of last 4.
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Orange Blooded [4459]
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Re: new interview with DRad about expectations fot bkball
May 19, 2021, 12:51 PM
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Yep and you see Roy is gone
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Nice. I'm reading NCAA or Bust next season which
May 19, 2021, 4:18 PM
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is perfectly fair all things considered.
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Orange Blooded [4854]
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Re: new interview with DRad about expectations fot bkball
May 19, 2021, 5:21 PM
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Sounds like he has been doing that of late, transfers are out of hand everywhere, players were at an all-time high academically, they were great ambassadors of CU, Covid happened, sometimes a break doesn't go the way needed and a game is lost or two is lost, and the idiots knees jerk.
These fire Brad fans must despise reality. Brad is perfect for them and their misery. He is doing just fine and dandy, despite their grumbling. All he has to do, is well, exactly what he has been doing. According to the AD. It is laughable that the firing squad is all lined back up in SC, after an NCAA tournament year, under the pandemic year. Did anyone ever consider the impact Covid restrictions as a possible reason for a guy to want to move closer to home? I saw a bunch of regular students flipping out over the Clemson they chose versus the Covid Clemson that they got last year. One was my fiancée's daughter. It hurt me to see how it messed with her head. Knowing her freshman year was nowhere close to what she signed up for. How that was the Clemson that I had introduced to her. The one that I grew up in. I would not pass judgment on this past year and freshman transferring. I would if we was in the same boat as UGA, where upperclassmen who were starters where all bolting.
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All-In [44050]
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No, it can’t be due to COVID.
May 19, 2021, 7:58 PM
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It’s always Brad’s fault.
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