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Oculus Spirit [79942]
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Monster recruiting class
Jan 29, 2022, 11:21 AM
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I think next year’s class could see Clemson getting several 5* players and end up being a special recruiting class.
Next year’s class is going to be big in numbers, probably 25+. For the first time in over a decade, elite DL recruits have a chance to immediately play a lot/possibly as starters.
Yes, we will have to produce and improve on the field. Right now OC & DC are unknowns outside of Clemson and they don’t have a track record yet. Other schools are negatively recruiting and selling Clemson as in turmoil and in decline.
I think both coordinators are going to succeed. A lot of experienced players are returning on DL and across the entire offense. Our lbs lack experience but are more talented than last year’s group. Dabo’s message will always remain consistent and once our coordinators get some experience, it should reinforce Dabo’s message and disprove any notion of Clemson in decline.
I think we’ll be improved and back in the acc championship game this year. Recruits want to play a lot and compete for championships. We offer lots of great opportunities and we have a lot of scholarships to fill. I’m excited to see who all jumps on board our commitment train to Tiger Town this year.
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Re: Monster recruiting class
Jan 29, 2022, 11:24 AM
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Based on this year, landing a 5* player requires a significant NIL commitment. Since Clemson fans have not established a NIL program why would you expect us to sign multiple 5* players next year?
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Oculus Spirit [79942]
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Because there are a couple close to pulling the trigger
Jan 29, 2022, 11:26 AM
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and I think more will follow throughout the year.
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Re: Monster recruiting class
Jan 29, 2022, 11:57 AM
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Can you prove that Clemson fans have not stepped up or that there is not an NIL process in place? Or is that an assumption given the lack of publicity for such?
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Rock Defender [53]
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Re: Monster recruiting class
Jan 29, 2022, 12:05 PM
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Yeah we can prove it, just go back and read the comments in the Trevor and his momma ETN article… their comments say as much and relay what our coaches told them… which is only about the top 1% of the team will make real money and the majority of the team won’t make anything or very little.
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Re: Monster recruiting class
Feb 17, 2022, 4:35 PM
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I would say based on the true reasons for NIL Clemson is doing more than most
https://clemsontigers.com/nilinfo/![]() Name, Image and Likeness Information Page There has been a lot of talk recently about Name, Image and Likeness, or NIL. Beginning July 1, 2021, the NCAA has interim rules to allow student-athletes the ability to earn compensation for the use of their own NIL. So what is it? In the State of South Carolina: An agreement in which an intercollegiate athlete participating in intercollegiate sports authorizes a person to use his name, image, or likeness and, in return, receives consideration. It must represent a genuine payment for the use of his name, image, or likeness, independent of, rather than as a payment for, his or her athletic participation or performance. Compensation may only be provided by a third party unaffiliated with the intercollegiate athlete's institution of higher learning.
https://theclemsoninsider.com/2021/07/07/clemson-making-investment-it-hopes-will-help-with-nil/
Yes we all know others will abuse the opportunity NIL provides. However as Jimbo said "this has been going on for years" and over the last 10 years Clemson has done things differently at a very high level. A five star who only wants to be paid will continue to be a five star who wants to get paid and not a Clemson tiger. The ones who value the experience and opportunity Clemson provides will make us great again.
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Rock Defender [53]
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Re: Monster recruiting class
Jan 29, 2022, 12:07 PM
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Here is the quote: “Tony explained it and said you have the top one percent, or one player on that team in that position, who is really going to be able to capitalize on the NIL,” Etienne said. “And then you have another two or three percent that can work some deals in their hometown or around the school, but then you have 85 percent of the team that probably won't get looked at because they don't have that type of recognition. It breaks it down to the players and the parents, and it says that not only do you have the opportunity to make money, but you have to still go to class and study because you are a student-athlete. And then you might have to worry about taxes if you reach a certain tax bracket, so it prepares you more for the world before you graduate college.”
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"It breaks it down", "and it says". I'm sorry, but what is
Jan 29, 2022, 12:28 PM
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IT?
I didn't see the article, plus, I only have a SC education, so there's that.
TIA.
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Re: "It breaks it down", "and it says". I'm sorry, but what is
Jan 29, 2022, 12:40 PM
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Those were comments from ETNs mom, that Tony Elliot told them… my understanding is basically don’t expect to make much NIL and don’t make that the goal, but I certainly could be wrong. But it does read like we are not doing anything like the other schools since these are comments coming from a recruit.
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Re: "It breaks it down", "and it says". I'm sorry, but what is
Feb 18, 2022, 4:30 AM
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IT=Making money off of the NIL.
The person that prepares the player for life later learning about paying taxes and living in the real world. Thing that player will be dealing with after college usually, but IT/NIL prepares them before they college. That is what is being stated.
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Re: Monster recruiting class
Jan 30, 2022, 1:22 PM
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What happens to the 11% of the players that were left out of the conversation. I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night, but I did spend 5 years at Clemson.
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Re: Monster recruiting class
Jan 29, 2022, 3:03 PM
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Can you prove that Clemson fans have not stepped up or that there is not an NIL process in place? Or is that an assumption given the lack of publicity for such?
How do you prove something does not exist? You search for it, you ask others if they have seen it and generally look for evidence. For a person with common sense, they would realize that every aspect of Clemson football is under a microscope so if we had an NIL program it would known plus they would use t-net to recruit donors. Given we have not seen a single shred of evidence not a peep/mention on ant message board we can be confident it does not exist
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Re: Monster recruiting / Clemson NIL program ??s
Jan 29, 2022, 6:04 PM
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jstone D329, this isn't a snarky question, so bear with me.
If Clemson doesn't have a NIL program, then how / why does Beaux Collins have the local Clemson area restaurant deal (was it pizza or chicken wings?) and how did Brian Bresee get the tricked out pick-up truck as part of a NIL-type publicity / image deal from a Clemson area car / pick-up truck dealer?
Did these NIL deals happen independently (no help or guidance from anyone affiliated with Clemson University), or did these deals happen despite expressions of protest or warnings against doing such deals from the Clemson football staff?
Were these NIL deals facilitated by the Clemson athletics department (i.e., athletics dept. staff introduced the players to the private entities that were looking to enhance their brand via affiliation with recognizable Clemson football players)?
I have no idea of how or what took place for these Clemson players to get their NIL deals.
Does anyone have specific insights that they can (or will) share?
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Re: Monster recruiting / Clemson NIL program ??s
Jan 29, 2022, 6:08 PM
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I think he might be referring to what I referenced below, a basic cash for play to recruits like the “garnet Trust”, the Miami one that idk the name but alumni are putting together and the TAM, etc.
Not real NIL, but simplifying it… cash for play. Which is now not illegal. I’m not sure the logistics of these school and how it is dispersed and what the athlete does in return but it’s essentially alumni making a trust to pay players.
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Re: Monster recruiting / Clemson NIL program ??s
Feb 17, 2022, 3:40 PM
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jstone D329, this isn't a snarky question, so bear with me. If Clemson doesn't have a NIL program, then how / why does Beaux Collins have the local Clemson area restaurant deal (was it pizza or chicken wings?) and how did Brian Bresee get the tricked out pick-up truck as part of a NIL-type publicity / image deal from a Clemson area car / pick-up truck dealer? Did these NIL deals happen independently (no help or guidance from anyone affiliated with Clemson University), or did these deals happen despite expressions of protest or warnings against doing such deals from the Clemson football staff? Were these NIL deals facilitated by the Clemson athletics department (i.e., athletics dept. staff introduced the players to the private entities that were looking to enhance their brand via affiliation with recognizable Clemson football players)? I have no idea of how or what took place for these Clemson players to get their NIL deals. Does anyone have specific insights that they can (or will) share?
Just saw your post. We have a few NIL opportunities which were established by the players after arriving at Clemson. Teams like aTm and Bama plus a few others are coordinating a big NIL payout by year for top players. This was all put in place for the last class where aTm had the highest number points for any recruiting class in the history of ratings. Rumor has it that they committed > $10MM to make it happen.
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Re: Monster recruiting / Clemson NIL program ??s
Feb 17, 2022, 7:44 PM
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Under the current structure, which I believe will change soon, schools like Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma and even schools like Oklahoma State and LSU will have money other school cannot fathom. There have been so many Oil & gas wells donated to these schools over the past 100 years and most of those babies just keep on pumping money daily into the coffers. Moving that from endowments to Athletics is a simple stroke of a pen and it is already huge and will explode as more families move their commitments in coming years. Hopefully the smart people will not allow this transfer of power but if they do nothing, it is coming. I lived in Texas for 20 years and the money that is thrown around due to oil & gas is mind boggling. The oil Patch wastes more money than most businesses can make. They can already dominate talent wise. They will now begin to dominate dollar wise which will be a deadly combination unless something changes soon. High Tech Liberals are not going to jump in. They hate College Football. Restaurants, small businesses and the Wal-Marts of the world do not seem to be interested in NIL. So if that oil money is allowed to move over to athletics and the paying of players, then look out. It's gonna get ugly!
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Re: Monster recruiting class
Feb 18, 2022, 2:30 AM
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Dabo said we are building an NIL building. We will have that department, if we don't already. They are on it.
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Re: Monster recruiting class
Jan 29, 2022, 12:48 PM
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Not true we have a program that helps them & pairs them with advertising companies. The numbers have not been published, so no one knows how many deals our players have.
If we had done better record wise it would have helped, performance helps the bottom line for the advertising companies!
DJ signed some great deals but would have had more if he performed better.
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Re: Monster recruiting class
Jan 29, 2022, 12:51 PM
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Correct, I was just referring to these “Garnet Trust”, the one in Miami that is a similar trust provided by alumni, TAM, etc.
I trust Dabo to do it his way and it will work, we’ve always done things differently. I was just pointing out the difference in us and even middle tier schools trying to use it as an advantage.
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Our QB got a million and he didn’t
Jan 29, 2022, 1:30 PM
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Even have to earn it
Thanks Bojangles! Better luck next year
Dabos message can be :
Get in here and earn some NIL contracts. It’s not hard at Clemson , we’re an elite program. Giving kids a million bucks just to commit is doing them a disservice. You need to stay hungry your freshman and sophomore years. They’re the most important developmental years of your sports career.
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Re: Monster recruiting class
Feb 17, 2022, 3:58 PM
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What NIL commitment did Klubnik get? There are 5* players out there that are smart enough to know that a school can have other things to offer besides just up front money. Go back and look at any of the comments Klubnik has made regarding NIL. We will be ok.
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Re: Monster recruiting class
Jan 29, 2022, 12:55 PM
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I love your positive outlook. Before NIL I would share your optimism. It's about the money now. Most top notch players are going to want big time money. If Clemson wants to stay on top they will have to pay for it.
It's sad but unfortunately that's the new reality.
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Re: Monster recruiting class
Jan 29, 2022, 9:26 PM
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The schools are not allowed to have anything to do with NIL this is all a “booster” thing. Basically just no need for the brown bags anymore
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We don’t have the $$ to get 5* anymore…..maybe a few here and there but
Jan 29, 2022, 9:39 PM
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Things are about to change for the worse
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Re: Monster recruiting class
Feb 17, 2022, 4:55 PM
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People talking about NIL and SEC...Losing staff and last second decommits...
What I haven't heard people talk about, and what might be the biggest hit Clemson took in recruiting dates back to 2020 and COVID. Dabo wasn't able to host high school camps and bring recruits onto campus.
How many times have we said...once Dabo gets them on campus...
High school camps are back. Dabo will get them on campus.
We'll be fine.
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Re: Monster recruiting class
Feb 17, 2022, 6:32 PM
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I hope you are right but I am not overly optimistic. NIL is a huge factor with the very top end recruits. If you look at our offers so far the only current 5-stars we might be in the top 3 for are Harris, Haynes, Woods and Burley and I doubt we are #1 for any at this point. Our best bet to land a 5-star or maybe two will be a mid-4 star who rises through the year like Cade did. Not sure how many true 5-stars we will land moving forward, if lucky 1 or 2 a year. If you look really hard at our offers, it almost seems like the staff is targeting more mid to high 4-stars than in the past. The game has changed...
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