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Marshall and the portal.
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Dec 15, 2024, 7:36 AM
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Mashall, 2024, is the reason why the NCAA has to, and will, get a handle on the transfer portal.
Charlie Huff was the HC this year. This was the last year on his contract. Sometime during the season the school announced he would not be given an extension.
Marshall surprised everyone by winning the conference championship. But, administration never changed their mind. So, Huff was not going to be the HC in 2025.
Players were upset. They like Huff.
Huff took the HC job at Southern Miss.
The rumors were the entire team, in protest, was going to enter the portal, giving Marshall zero players on their team. As of this morning they have 33 guys in the portal. (Had 34 but one withdrew and said he was staying at Marshall.)
The reality is this - The entire team could have transferred to Southern Miss with Charlie Huff and it would be perfectly legal for them to do so.
Can you imagine if the NFL had a similar rule? The HC of the Super Bowl champions is offered a job at the worst team in the league, and he can take his entire roster with him?
That's the situation in the NCAA right now. Hypothetical, sure. But still inside the rules.
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Re: Marshall and the portal.
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Dec 15, 2024, 8:22 AM
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Great point Bret. I hope you are right. It seems like going back to the mandatory one year sit out period could fix a great many of the issues.
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Re: Marshall and the portal.
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Dec 15, 2024, 8:26 AM
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that solution made so much sense. the NCAA did want to deal with hardship cases so they decided to whimp out on it
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Game Changer [2037]
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Re: Marshall and the portal.
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Dec 15, 2024, 8:31 AM
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Putting the one year rule back is the best remedy for all of this but or a one time transfer rule, it it won't happen.
Any NCAA decision against players ends up in court and they lose every time. Didn't they even lose to Tennessee for placing them on probation?
The only remedy to make it a competitive and fair environment for all is to start treating it like a professional sport.
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Re: Marshall and the portal.
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Dec 15, 2024, 11:01 AM
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Can't treat it like a professional sport without congress passing the laws they did for all pro sports. Laws to get around the fair labor standards act.
The problem can easily be solved. Follow the Dabo example.
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Game Changer [2037]
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Re: you'd have to unionize and allow for
Dec 15, 2024, 3:05 PM
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Collective bargaining but what a mess/ordeal that would be as well.
By the Dabo model...you mean what he used to say with annuities for guys, etc?
Ultimately, you can't restrict earnings And no way to get around it unless you just go the pro model.
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It would definitely offset the deals everyone
Dec 15, 2024, 11:06 AM
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Knows are made before the announcement is made. Tampering is the main issue and the yr sit out would discourage it a lot.
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Re: Marshall and the portal.
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Dec 15, 2024, 8:33 AM
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I agree there are issues with the portal but I'm not sure I agee this paticular case will generate change. Marshall administration decided not to bring back the HC. There may be any number of justifiable reasons for that which have nothing to do with wins and losses. Coaches, just like bosses at work, come and go. It's probably a bad idea to quit your job because you want a boss to remain.
These 33 players were on scholarship, with Marshall likley being their best offer. Highly doubt many of these guys had offers to Florida, Auburn, UNC,. Maybe a few find a new school but I doubt schools that didn't recruit them out of high school will come calling now. It's probable that most of the kids who have surrendered a scholarship will find themselves without one.
The story here isn't about the portal. It's a lesson for players on how the world works.
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Orange Blooded [2280]
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Maybe the more kids that end up
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Dec 15, 2024, 8:37 AM
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without a landing spot, future kids will weigh this decision a little more. Tough lesson to learn
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Re: Marshall and the portal.
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Dec 15, 2024, 9:07 AM
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Lane Kiffin argued this week about the timing of the portal open date. If the NCAA would wait until after bowl season this wouldn’t be an issue. The NCAA is 100% at fault in this situation.
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Re: Marshall and the portal.
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Dec 15, 2024, 9:22 AM
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The timing now is so thry can enroll in a new school for the spring.
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Dec 15, 2024, 8:36 AM
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Seems like there needs to be a way for universities to protect starters and their backups from entering the portal under free agency. Maybe each school should get something like 46 spots that are protected and give the players some kind of financial incentive to play their way onto the list. That would cover all starters and 2nd stringers, plus 2 kickers. If you're lower on the depth chart, then you're free to explore greener pastures if you so choose.
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Dec 15, 2024, 8:18 PM
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The portal needs to open AFTER the bowl season. I can understand them protesting, but think of the other teams out there. How do you manage your roster when it’s bowl season and kids are hitting the portal? Also, players are paid millions and if it is their last season, they opt out during the post season. I understand they don’t want to risk injury, however, they are not completing the season for the team that is paying them millions of dollars. The whole thing is a complete mess.
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LOOK at YOU, asking the best question every asked on the Tigernet!
Dec 15, 2024, 8:48 AM
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"How do you manage your roster when it’s bowl season and kids are hitting the portal?"
Don't build your team or your depth from the portal. Somebody ought to tell Swinney about his.
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Orange Blooded [2280]
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It's a never ending cycle. If you're somebody like Marshall
Dec 15, 2024, 9:18 AM
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with all this kids leaving, and early signing day already gone, you have to reload from the portal.
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Re: Marshall and the portal.
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From a football perspective, that makes perfect sense. But, if you wait until after bowl season is over to open the portal, it’s the first of January and classes are starting. Clemson is a great example, with classes beginning on January 8. You have to give them time to declare, be recruited, and find a new school…so they can go through spring ball.
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Ultimate Tiger [33829]
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Curt Cignetti at Indiana has 13 tansfers from James Madison
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Dec 15, 2024, 8:53 AM
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his old job he left last year, and 20 transfers overall. So kinda what you're talking about on a smaller scale.
Indiana went from 3-9 last year to 11-1 and the playoffs. James Madison went from 11-2 last year to 8-4 this year; not as significant, but a dropoff. They would certainly have benifitted from the players that left. JMU did bring in 9 transfers this year, mostly from the FCS level or lower.
It's somewhat like the good deals people get on foreclosures and government auctions - one family's misery is another family's good fortune.
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That is literally free market enterprise in a nutshell
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Re: Marshall and the portal.
Dec 15, 2024, 9:19 AM
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Great take, Bret!
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Curious how many Clemson students left with Heisman
Dec 15, 2024, 9:20 AM
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Way back John Heisman went from Clemson to Georgia Tech.
There was no NCAA then … so did a lot of Tigers move over to Atlanta with Coach Heisman?
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Re: Curious how many Clemson students left with Heisman
Dec 15, 2024, 11:05 AM
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Not sure Heisman wanted many of the Clemson players following him anywhere in those days. GT was a better program in football in those days
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Clemson Conqueror [11746]
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Dec 15, 2024, 11:24 AM
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Heisman record at Clemson (1900-1903) 19-3-2
Same time frame for Georgia Tech 7-11-3
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Oculus Spirit [44289]
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Re: Curious how many Clemson students left with Heisman
Dec 15, 2024, 11:58 AM
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From 1907-1974, the Yellow Jackets played rival Clemson in Atlanta. This helped Tech amass a very successful home record of 42-13-2.
This was a little more what I was talking about. They must have become pretty elite at some point seeing they would not even come to Clemson to play.
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Dec 15, 2024, 9:29 AM
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Consider the issues that will come up either revenue sharing. I can anticipate agreements that reward a player for staying through the spring and punishes one for transferring in December.
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Orange Blooded [2380]
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Re: Marshall and the portal.
Dec 15, 2024, 10:36 AM
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Oh my gosh...I hope all the FSU players don't portal to Clemson...
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Re: Marshall and the portal.
Dec 15, 2024, 10:48 AM
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Bret, the NCAA is now a group of powerless whimps and they will do nothing, unless they are told to do something by their handlers. Their organization, like virtually every other group in America, has been poisoned by wokeism, DEI and all the destructive forces that come with it. The radical leftists who wish to destroy everything Americana and Western Civ, struggled for years as to how they would destroy college football and all the game day unity atmosphere and camaraderie that goes with it. Now they have found a way to destroy America's most popular sport and they are all about doing it. Sad.
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Oculus Spirit [44289]
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Re: Marshall and the portal.
Dec 15, 2024, 11:02 AM
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Yep that is a sad deal imo at Marshall. Figured a lot of them would end up at Southern Miss. College football is a mess. The coaches need an additional million just having too deal with their rosters. You literally have no idea who you will or will not have next year. May need to be recruiting a position you had thought you would be in good shape.
I’m good with the WR room but not sure if they will be here after spring ball. You can say they will or will not but in the end no one has a clue. Lot of poaching on the back end of this mess.
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