Re: Made my decision on the vaccine

Morgue and funeral home crisis of the unvaccinated too.

Which makes it still a pandemic for everyone. Get in a bad car wreck, it's a crisis for you to get medical care, because of the unvaccinated.

The idea is get everyone vaccinated, then forget about it. This is what England, Singapore, Denmark, Israel, and others are doing, because they have far more people vaccinated. The math says that would work, but it takes everyone getting a vaccine. Vaccines break the rate of hospitalizations and deaths from cases, they don't stop transmission or the virus, and nothing will. In highly vaccinated countries they are not even looking at cases anymore. They're just following hospitals. The math isn't there yet for us in the US, and it is really ticking off some people, understandably. But this isn't explained to people by those promoting the vaccines, instead they're using bad tactics. They're misrepresenting the vaccines, and have really since Trump did it on day 1. And they're continuing. Just read an internal CDC memo on a study of vaccine effectiveness. It decreased with delta. Fine. It still held up though where it counts, in hospitalizations. But the memo (not released btw) was more geared towards how to change their already wrong message to another wrong message, and keep people from thinking they don't work.

How about being honest about it. Covid is here, and will be around forever. Vaccines won't end it. You WILL end up getting it, and at that point your future depends on if you had a vaccine, covid before and recovered, or not. If you are in that last category, delta is far more deadly, and far more likely to land you in a hospital.

If I ran the show I'd explain all of this, then I'd say here's the math. Set a number. If 80% of people are vaccinated, we can and will forget about it. Before delta that number would have been 60-70%. Your kid will get top notch treatment if they're in a wreck, your husband will get that emergency surgery and ICU care from that accident at work. Your cancer treatments and surgeries will continue on schedule. No one will require masks, or vaccine passports, and life will go back to normal. This is what they are doing, with success so far, in highly vaccinated places. England has higher cases per capita than the US, and their hospitals are not beyond capacity and are nothing like ours in the southern US. Same in Denmark. Same in Israel. They're not even looking at cases, just hospitals. But we never got to the levels of vaccinated people needed to do what we need to do.

And it's bad leadership, period. All of our problems stem from that.

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Sep 16, 2021, 10:28 AM [ in reply to The first thing he said to me was ]

Can't say I blame them. I don't either. I make it a point to consume international news as much as possible these days. In many places it's like we used to have in the US. In most places the virus isn't politicized like it is here. We politicize everything in the US, and that's why no one trusts the government. There's ALWAYS someone in a position of leadership who is more than willing to tell you what you want to hear, for your vote. Doesn't mean they're telling the truth. Doesn't mean they're being honest. It simply means they're telling you what you want to hear. And what you want to hear is not always what's right, real, or in your best interest. Takes some humility to know that.

I do investigations for a living. I approach each case with no preconceived assumptions, and have absolutely zero agenda other than learning the truth. ZERO. People have such a difficult time understanding that. It would be easy to tell the insurance company what they want to hear, I mean they ARE paying me. Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't. But as tempting as it is to tell my customer what they want, or would like to hear, I tell then the truth. Sometimes my job would be easier telling my customer what they want to hear, but I do it the same no matter what. And the oddest thing happens.....they respect that. Guy was a Baptist preacher, married for 40 years, and has 2.3 grown children......there's a temptation to think it's simple. It is usually, but not always. Likewise, someone is a crackhead, deadbeat dad, been in jail a bunch, you think the investigation will be hard(er). Usually is, but not always. People always tell me what I want to hear. I don't judge them for what they tell me. I get asked "Do they appear honest? Do you think they're telling the truth?" Hate it when lawyers ask me that. I tell them I have no clue, but you will know the truth when I'm done.

The key is to seek out a "disinterested third party". Someone who knows the information without a dog in the fight. Someone with no interest. If you have two people telling you two different things, and you know someone is lying (maybe they don't get along, or want money...maybe a vote?????), seek out a third party, that friend, that neighbor, (your doctor) and you can always hash out the truth. Same applies in being informed. I know I can turn on Fox News and get one set of information on covid, and then CNN will give me another take. Why bother. Go watch BBC, and read news in Israel, Germany, Spain, Italy, Singapore, Australia, India, South Africa, Brazil, Japan, and you become informed and in doing that you depoliticize the virus. When you see a covid study from Singapore, then one from Australia, then one from Brazil, then one from South Africa, then one from England, then one from Japan, then one from India, and they all say the same basic thing, and then you see the CDC saying something different......and then the CDC finally does the very first US study, then changes their policy or recommendations because it shows the same thing other studies across the planet show, that doesn't instill trust, and that's our problem.

I stopped watching cable news many years ago. I don't use Facebook other than for the neighborhood group, church, scouts, etc. I only use Twitter to seek out foreign sources of information and keep up with local news. I read the headlines. I waste zero time on talking heads. If you follow politics on social media, or on cable TV, you are poisoning yourself. You are going to be misinformed, and it doesn't matter if you watch Fox News, or Watch CNN. And social media is even worse.

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