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Interesting retweet from Big Dave
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Mar 9, 2023, 11:11 AM
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I guess Big Dave isn’t a fan of Streeter at all. Completely blames him for DJs lack of development, which is understandable, but he’s not completely at fault here
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Re: Interesting retweet from Big Dave
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Mar 9, 2023, 11:12 AM
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A "disasters stent". Nice.
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Re: Interesting retweet from Big Dave
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Mar 9, 2023, 11:13 AM
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I like Street but Dave’s not really wrong.
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Mar 9, 2023, 11:15 AM
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Maybe, but he ain't right either...
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Mar 9, 2023, 11:21 AM
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Streeter was in over his head, yes. But, DJ has a lot more work to do if he wants to make it to the NFL. Honestly, DJ's play towards the end of the season made him look like he didn't want to be out there.
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So you & greater tater (no Clemson fan has tater in anything
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Mar 9, 2023, 11:34 AM
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about them - but whatever) should feel that wherever DJ went - I truly don't know & don't care - will FLOURISH and BLOSSOM into the amazing QB his dad always knew he could be ? ? ? ? ?
Or will the narrative then switch to - DJ had so much to overcome from Streeter's complete lack of understanding of how to play QB, that he still is no good at all ?
Streeter had NOTHING to do with the guy taking a 3 step drop, looking directly to the left flat and overthrowing the wide open guy by 7 feet . . . . or bouncing it twice before it ever got to him. Over & over again.
If DJ is all that - he will get snapped up and be the next Marino the way you guys go on and on about how poorly he was served at Clemson.
We shall see.
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Re: Sounds like he’s talking about Brownell.
Mar 9, 2023, 6:30 PM
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Doesn’t it?
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Brian Lindgren better watch his
Mar 9, 2023, 11:17 AM
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Ps and Qs. He's got a long tough row to hoe.
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Big Dave probably stunted DJ's development more than
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Mar 9, 2023, 11:20 AM
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Streeter ever did. Hard to concentrate on football when home family life is falling apart. Thanks, Dave, for NOTHIN'.
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Sounds like sour grapes to me. He also coached Watson and TL
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Mar 9, 2023, 11:26 AM
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and they both got drafted in the 1st round of the nfl draft. I realize they had more talent but DJ is far from blameless.
I get he's a dad taking up for his son but that's laying it on pretty thick.
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Re: Sounds like sour grapes to me. He also coached Watson and TL
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Mar 9, 2023, 11:33 AM
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I don't have any interest in bashing Streeter, because he's a Clemson guy through and through, but...
Neither DW or TL grew or developed as QBs under Street. In fact, as naturally talented and successful as they were when they arrived, a case can be made that they regressed in some ways under his coaching.
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Those numbers have already been pulled & you couldn't be
Mar 9, 2023, 11:36 AM
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more wrong.
But keep spewing the easy take you read from other places.
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Re: Sounds like sour grapes to me. He also coached Watson and TL
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Mar 9, 2023, 11:48 AM
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That’s what got me. Everyone knows Streeter fell short to the expectations but to wish unemployment on someone who has done nothing but represent the university in the best way is a bit harsh.
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Re: Sounds like sour grapes to me. He also coached Watson and TL
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Mar 9, 2023, 12:43 PM
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How would you make a case that Watson and Lawrence regressed during their time at Clemson? For Lawrence, his completion percentage, yards per attempt, and QB rating all improved each year he was at Clemson.
You could make a case that Watson's numbers went down each year he was at Clemson, but to me that's a case of how numbers don't always tell the full story. It's hard to watch him become a Heisman finalist in each of his final 2 seasons and play in back to back NC games and say that he was regressing. Now, he's a natural talent and it's hard for me to pat any of our coaches on the back for how awesome he was, but the overall point is that DJ had a lot more going on beyond the coaching he was receiving.
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Agreed.
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Mar 9, 2023, 4:32 PM
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Plus, there definitely aren’t any examples of Streeter taking a non-5 star QB and making him much better.
It seemed that none of our backups improved much if at all. The list of those QBs is long.
You’d think he would at least have one guy who improved. But it’s crickets…
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Re: Agreed.
Mar 9, 2023, 8:30 PM
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DW and TL came in extremely gifted…so much more to work with. Some (one) was extremely overrated, and did not have the mental and was clumsy. A two year dark cloud that has finally lifted. “Here Comes the Sun” …
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Re: Sounds like sour grapes to me. He also coached Watson and TL
Mar 9, 2023, 6:18 PM
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This is stupid. Watson refused to work with Streeter and hired an outside passing coach. Trevor did work with Streeter, and his mechanics declined dramatically after doing so. The Jags new coach said they had to reteach him everything and since doing so, he's looked good in the NFL. Trevor had so much natural talent that he could have gone to any school and been a first round draft pick. You can't make a sow's ear out of a silk purse.
I don't know that I agree they were both more talented than DJ. DJ had better high school stats against far better competition and won more games. He outdueled Bryce Young, a Heisman winner. I think DJ was forced into a scheme that was horrible for him and our coaches refused to adapt. And I think Streeter simultaneously hurt his mechanics.
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Mar 10, 2023, 2:09 PM
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You are right that DJ was a bad System Fit, however, you are showing yourChicken Feathers when you state that Watson refused to work with Streeter -and- only worked with his “Personal QB Coach”. I never recalled his Personal QB Coach working with him at Practice everyday! Go to your SHAMECOCK Website and critique your Whiney, Lisping Head Coach!
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Re: Interesting retweet from Big Dave
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Mar 9, 2023, 11:39 AM
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Listen, while you can certainly have your complaints about Streeter... he WAS the QB coach for Watson and Lawrence. And while you can level the accusation that they may not have improved as they went through the years... they also didn't fall off a cliff skill-wise either.
So at WORST the data suggests that Streeter isn't a day 1 draft NFL QB guru who takes guys to new heights they couldn't achieve before. And fair enough.
But DJ had games where he couldn't hit sand if he was on a camel, and you can't blame ALL of that on your QB coach.
DJ didn't seem to be in the right system, add to that the talent drop off at key positions and injuries etc... and it was just a bad fit. It didn't work out, which sometimes happens. No one really saw it coming, especially after some good games in '20. Dave should let it go and just hope things work out at Oregon State.
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Re: Interesting retweet from Big Dave
Mar 9, 2023, 6:20 PM
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As I said above, he was never Watson's QB coach. He was Clemson's QB coach, while Watson had an outside one. And Trevor didn't fall off a cliff, but he did get worse. But look at the QBs who have left us and then improved.
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Re: Interesting retweet from Big Dave
Mar 10, 2023, 1:20 PM
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I don't see how you can take Watson working with another QB during the offseason and equate that to him refusing to work with Streeter or not being coached by Streeter. Coaches are only allowed to work with players for a limited amount of hours so Watson hiring someone on the outside could have easily been as simple as him wanting to continue working during times the coaches weren't allowed to do so.
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Re: Interesting retweet from Big Dave
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Mar 9, 2023, 12:00 PM
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Yeah I got 2 words for that fat ### and one of em' starts with a F. Glad he will never step foot in Clemson again.
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Well, DJ thrilled me in 2020 in his 1st substitute game
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Mar 9, 2023, 3:19 PM
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with come ftom behind game inDV and up at NDame in OT loss , 2021 win at SC and big OT win at WF.
Throw in a few more like FSU and there's DJ's positives for me.
Great kid but bad fit and I still think 10-3 loss to #1 Ga in 2021messed his head up what with their head-hunting D, sacks, eRly blame for loss, etc..
having the NIL $ and family break-up.
welcome to Ost DJ!
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Re: Interesting retweet from Big Dave
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Mar 9, 2023, 12:08 PM
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Let's face it, Streeter became the scapegoat in a no-win situation. He had to babysit DJ, probably couldn't get CK more snaps because of the leash attached to his neck due to DJ's failing confidence, and as a result, got blamed for the lack of DJ's development AND the lack of CK's development.
I will say I think he has handled himself very well and taken it like a man. You know he has to be incredibly frustrated to have to endure all the blame and not be able to defend himself.
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Agree, thats why they pay em good on the way out
Mar 9, 2023, 12:32 PM
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keeps all the bodies buried.
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Re: Interesting retweet from Big Dave
Mar 9, 2023, 6:21 PM
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Streeter was a trash quarterback who continued to fail upwards in life despite having no qualifications or ability. You're blind.
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Re: Interesting retweet from Big Dave
Mar 10, 2023, 1:21 PM
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Did he steal your girl or something?
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Of course. He has to blame someone.***
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Re: Interesting retweet from Big Dave
Mar 9, 2023, 12:48 PM
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DJ's performance this year at Oregon State may help to resolve that issue...
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Re: Interesting retweet from Big Dave
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Mar 9, 2023, 1:30 PM
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I'm glad both of them are gone. That's about 50 percent of the problem solved on offense. Now we just need the receivers and the Oline straightened out. We should have fired those Coaches and told Riley to bring who he wanted.
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Re: Interesting retweet from Big Dave
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Mar 9, 2023, 3:13 PM
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Thank you. Couldn’t agree more. Not sure why the DC is still here either.
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Re: Interesting retweet from Big Dave
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What DJ does this year at Oregon State will be very interesting. I seriously doubt you see much different. He sucks. The Streeter move had to be made regardless of DJ.
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Re: Interesting retweet from Big Dave
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Mar 9, 2023, 3:28 PM
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I love DJ and his family but everything cannot be put on Coach Streeter’s shoulders. There is plenty of blame to go around. It’s wrong for Big Dave to wish such a negative future for BS. That would be as bad as Clemson fans hoping DJ bomb’s at OS. Big Dave has Double Standards. I like DJ but some his poor play was due to DJ and no one else. WR’s dropped passes. DJ overthrew passes of missed his target. You can’t put that on Coach Streeter.
Coach Streeter I pray you will find success in the future.
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Re: Interesting retweet from Big Dave
Mar 9, 2023, 6:23 PM
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You can put inaccuracy on the QB coach's shoulders. Especially when the inaccurate QB was considered extremely accurate before meeting that coach.
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Re: Interesting retweet from Big Dave
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Mar 9, 2023, 3:31 PM
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Djs probs were all mental. He was a west coast kid stuck in rural SC.
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Re: Interesting retweet from Big Dave
Mar 9, 2023, 4:26 PM
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His son was more guilty than anyone in my opinion. Streeter did not help things but................
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Re: Interesting retweet from Big Dave
Mar 10, 2023, 1:24 PM
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Agreed. Playing QB is just as much about the mental aspect of the game as it is physical. DJ had all the physical tools, and we all saw him make great throws and play great whenever things were going right and he was feeling confident. He just seemed to shut down as soon as he made a mistake or things started to turn south. One of the things that made Watson so special was he could throw a pick and come out on the next series as if the pick never happened. Watson could throw 5 straight bad passes(not saying he ever did) but he never lost the confidence in himself that his next pass would be perfect. It always seemed like DJ was terrified of making another mistake.
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DJ's problem was caving when expectations got too high.
Mar 9, 2023, 4:34 PM
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I don't know of any QB coach that can fix that TBH. He will likely look great at Oregon State as there are ZERO national expectations with that program. If he starts getting Heisman talk though later season, look out below.
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Re: Interesting retweet from Big Dave
Mar 9, 2023, 4:46 PM
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Not surprising from him. The real problem will come out when games begin!!!!
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Re: Interesting retweet from Big Dave
Mar 9, 2023, 6:22 PM
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I don't think Big Dave is being fair. I hope Streeter continues to coach. I hope he is hired by the Gamecocks or the Buckeyes and coaches them for a long, long time.
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Totally classless and vindictive
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Mar 9, 2023, 6:22 PM
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"Big Dave" is just revealing what he really is.
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Dave is overly-emotional and quite frankly a nutjob.
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Mar 9, 2023, 8:37 PM
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He's been hunting a scapegoat since Trevor graduated. Pretty classless to kick the man after he was fired months ago.
It's whatever.
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I might add
Mar 9, 2023, 8:52 PM
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Anything with Big Dave always stirs it up on here
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Re: Interesting retweet from Big Dave
Mar 10, 2023, 12:56 PM
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Big Doof Can Blame Himself For Effing Up DJs Head With
Mar 10, 2023, 2:01 PM
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His horrid management of his marriage that messed up DJs head.
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