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Is that the best Russia has got?***
Oct 17, 2020, 5:37 AM
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If this is Russian disinformation then they are really good.
Oct 17, 2020, 7:10 AM
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Because the Ruskies somehow managed to get some very private and compromising photos of crackhead Hunter acting the fool that only Hunter would otherwise have access to.
What we are seeing now is the obfuscation/damage control campaign by the Washington Post and other MSM outlets who are invested and committed to doing anything they can to get President Trump out of office - that is their sole focus and it is reflected in everything they publish. So the new MSM narrative to protect Biden is "The laptop/emails are all Russian disinformation". They have absolutely no evidence to support the claim that the laptop/emails are Russian disinformation so they are doing their best to link it to some generic previous warnings of Russian election interference. Real journalists would want to look at the hard drive and emails and do everything they can to verify and/or debunk it. Instead, what we are getting is a refusal by the MSM to take Giuliani up on his offer of examining/investigating the hard drive and it's contents. Nope - the bulk of the MSM simply refuses to look into it and would rather sit back and accuse Giuliani of being a Russian rube - media malpractice by the sin of omission.
As it is turning out - Fox News has now been able to corroborate the emails by other folks who appear in the email chain. (Attention Washington Post and NY Times - it's called due diligence journalism - maybe you ought to give it an honest attempt for once).
It also turns out that one of Hunter's former business partners, Bevan Cooney, ain't so happy that Hunter got off scot-free while he (Bevin) is sitting in jail for 30 months. Turns out ole Bev has given author Peter Schweitzer and reporter Matthew Tyrmand direct access to his Gmail account (not printouts of emails but actual access to his account) that contain emails between he and Hunter Biden. We will have to see how this shakes out but imagine that Cooney's email account can be used to verify the authenticity of a lot of the emails found on Hunter Biden's laptop hard drive.
Add to this that neither Joe Biden or Hunter Biden have given an unequivocal, plain English denial that the laptop hard drive, emails, and photographs are fake. Instead, old plugs Biden is playing the grumpy old man card. To quote his weasel language "denial" (that's not really a denial) to the one reporter who dared ask plugs for a response to the NY Post article: "I have no response, it’s another smear campaign, right up your alley, those are the questions you always ask."
If all this is fake and not true, then why doesn't Biden unequivocally and specifically say so instead of giving us this "how dare you" outrage routine that does nothing to deny the data being released.
The truth is coming out about the corruption in the Biden family but sadly it won't matter. Just as no one on the left seems to care that the FBI corrupted the FISA court process to spy on Carter Page, or that the FBI setup a retired LTG for a crooked prosecution, or that whole Russian Collusion narrative was total BS that was being fed by the Clinton campaign and intel community "anonymous sources" with an agenda to oust a duly elected President. We are now such a divided society where anything, including rampant corruption, crime, and Governmental abuses of power, can be ignored, justified, and accepted so long as the orange man is defeated.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hunter-biden-china-email-source-verifies
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Re: If this is Russian disinformation then they are really good.
Oct 17, 2020, 7:39 AM
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So...either every media outlet in the world is involved in the cover-up...or the New York Post - who broke the story - and Fox News - who immediately picked it up across their entire platform and network and tried to run with it - are collaborating with some bad (cough, Russian, cough) actors in a disinformation campaign.
Wait a sec - what is it New York Post and Fox News have in common? Oh, wait - aren't they both owned by Rupert Murdoch and News Corp?
(a quick google search ensues)
Well, lookaththat. Indeed they are.
Remind me again: Rupert Murdoch, of course, is of course a native-born red-blooded American who in no way has a long, long, long and sordid history whatsoever of gaslighting for his preferred politicians. Right?
Err...well, shee-it, that ain't true either.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/apr/28/how-margaret-thatcher-and-rupert-murdoch-made-secret-deal How Thatcher and Murdoch made their secret deal | Harold Evans <strong>The long read:</strong> In 1981, Mrs Thatcher needed a boost from the press. By supporting Rupert Murdoch’s bid for the Times and Sunday Times, she made sure she got it. Harold Evans, who led an unsuccessful staff takeover bid, reveals a historic carve-up
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Once again - you are not addressing the actual information
Oct 17, 2020, 8:17 AM
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being released. Generically attacking news sources because of who owns them or that they have a conservative bend is not the same as debunking the actual information. Two things can be true at the same time - Fox News and NY Post can both be "conservative outlets" AND the information they are reporting can be accurate.
As opposed to this being the typical "anonymous sources" used by the bulk of the MSM, we actually have physical evidence in this case. As such, if the laptop, emails, and photos are all Russian disinformation then why haven't the Biden's come out and specifically and unequivocally stated that the laptop is fake, the emails are fake, and the photos are fake? Instead we get weasel words and denials that convey anger but are really non-denials.
Lastly - where is the FBI in this whole thing? The FBI could do a lot to debunk or verify this. If the laptop and its contents are Russian disinformation - the FBI has a responsibility to inform us NOW - not after the election. The fact that the FBI is sitting on the sidelines twiddling their thumbs saying nothing when they have had this laptop for 10 months is unacceptable.
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Re: If this is Russian disinformation then they are really good.
Oct 17, 2020, 11:19 AM
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quozzel what is it that you do not get about almost every media outlet in the world being in the tank for the libs and Biden?
These media outlets do not do journalism - are you thinking they do?
Do you not watch MSM? Can you be objective?
Do you refute the facts that ~90% of all journalists vote democrat?
Do you refute the fact that giant social media is in the tank for the libs? No way you can do that now.
So, I think we can all agree that indeed just about every media outlet will not cover it until they absolutely must. That will be soon.
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Re: If this is Russian disinformation then they are really good.
Oct 17, 2020, 11:56 AM
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Nope.
I do watch MSM. And Fox. And everybody else. You obviously do not.
There is a massive range of both quality and bias within what you call the "mainstream media". Some of them are very biased, and use leading headlines and seem entirely agenda-driven. CNN in particular seems to be on a single-minded crusade to destroy Trump; I'm literally not sure what they'll cover once he's gone.
Others just do straight reporting and clearly differentiate between fact and opinion, and use minimal amounts of leading headlines and are very high in their factuality. Publications like Axios, The Atlantic, even Washington Post - which I know you hate - rate really well on those scales.
"Conservative media" is flat garbage, though. The Wall Street Journal is probably the best one still standing and even they're now owned by News Corp, though the paper itself has obviously fought hard to keep its journalistic standards up (though their opinion section has tanked) and Murdoch is obviously reluctant to kill his golden goose, because without WSJ, News Corp is basically a bunch of tabloids with the same journalistic credibility of The National Enquirer.
The thing you don't get is that the nature of media, by and large, is intrinsically liberal and this is not a bad thing. The proper role of the press is all about reporting on the doings of the rich and powerful for the benefit of we, the faceless masses, and informing us what is being done to us and around us by the rich and powerful so that we the people may decide how we feel about that. You just have to accept the notion that the press has a natural distrust of authority and as such is a little leftist. (What you can't accept is a press that lies or cooks untrue stories.)
"Conservative" media, on the other hand, doesn't play by the same rules. It tends to speak on behalf of the rich and powerful...and as such tends to turn into State TV or State Media really quickly because their information depends on access, and that access is utterly dependent on their willingness to say what those same powers-that-be want them to say. Trump in particular rages at Fox every time they dare breathe a disloyal word about him. That tends to turn conservative media outlets into echo chambers at best...and at worst, propaganda mills, and sociopathic manipulators like Rupert Murdoch sometimes loose misinformation blitzes that make your head reel.
If you want the most accurate - and yes, neutral - take on this whole affair, the best I've personally seen is courtesy of NPR: (which rates center-left to "least biased" based on media reviews, with high levels of factuality per all the fact-checkers.)
https://www.npr.org/2020/10/17/924506867/analysis-questionable-n-y-post-scoop-driven-by-ex-hannity-producer-giuliani
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Re: If this is Russian disinformation then they are really good.
Oct 18, 2020, 10:25 AM
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You wrote:
The thing you don't get is that the nature of media, by and large, is intrinsically liberal and this is not a bad thing. The proper role of the press is all about reporting on the doings of the rich and powerful for the benefit of we, the faceless masses, and informing us what is being done to us and around us by the rich and powerful so that we the people may decide how we feel about that. You just have to accept the notion that the press has a natural distrust of authority and as such is a little leftist. (What you can't accept is a press that lies or cooks untrue stories.)
Who has convinced you that the media is a "little" liberal? That is completely off base. Show me a survey that reports media employee demographics being a "little" left. Show me a legit report or examples that the MSM is censoring liberal/left ideas/stories. They don't exist.
The facts are the MSM's actions (e.g., 100 negative stories on Trump, 3 positives vs. 3 negative stories on Biden and 100 positive) are what they are. Twitter blocking the Post story - this is egregious political censorship. The employee demographics of MSM and social media are a left majority. Political donations the same.
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Let's actually examine media bias and accuracy
Oct 17, 2020, 5:21 PM
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NC Tiger,
Please at least attempt to take an accurate view of media bias.
Attached is a chart of media bias based on analysis of thousands of hours/stories of news coverage.
The media sources are arranged from top (most factually accurate) to bottom (least factually accurate). They are also arranged left to right based on political bias.
From this information, anyone should be able to gauge their current news sources and pick new ones that are more accurate and less biased.
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Re: Let's actually examine media bias and accuracy
Oct 18, 2020, 10:29 AM
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@Tobias27772That figure is COMPLETE BS and laughable. No way any legit survey has ABC, CBS, NBC in the center. What a crock of chit. You have not credibility.
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Re: If this is Russian disinformation then they are really good.
Oct 17, 2020, 12:13 PM
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Okay, I have the confuse here.
There would seem to be two doors here:
1) This is a disinformation campaign courtesy of Rupert Murdoch, Rudy Giuliani, and Steve Bannon, or....
2) This stuff is real, and was phished out of Hunter Biden's e-mails somewhere, somewhen, by Russia's GRU and then was passed on to (drum roll) Rudy Giuliani, to meddle with the election on behalf of Donald Trump.
So...are you saying it's actually what's behind Door #2? Because I seem to recall there was a minor kerfuffle about in the 2016 election, only Trump wasn't definitively determined to be guilty of that the last time around.
I seem to remember that being a thing. Am I remembering it wrong?
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Re: If this is Russian disinformation then they are really good.
Oct 17, 2020, 2:44 PM
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Re: If this is Russian disinformation then they are really good.
Oct 18, 2020, 10:31 AM
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quozzel
If you are so certain Russia has access to everything, it must be very concerning they saw every single email sent and received by HRC as Secretary of State of the United States, to include classified information.
You worried about that?
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Typical obfuscation article with little to no investigative
Oct 17, 2020, 7:57 AM
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work by the journalist. Don't investigate the actual evidence (i.e. the released emails or accept Giuliani's invitation to examine the hard drive contents). Simply attack the shop owner who received the laptop while painting this whole story with a broad brush "Russian disinformation" label so that it can be ignored. I don't think that is going to work this time because the emails being released are very specific with dates and recipients and should be verifiable. In fact some have already been verified as real by Fox News.
Furthermore - if this whole thing is Russian disinformation then why don't the Biden's come out and unequivocally and specifically say that the laptop is fake, the emails are fake, and the photos are fake? Seems like an easy enough thing do but alas - they have yet to do so.
Time will tell if everything on this hard drive is real or not - but to just say "it's been debunked" and "discredited" is intellectually dishonest as the drive and its contents have not been thoroughly investigated by the folks making such claims.
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Re: Typical obfuscation article with little to no investigative
Oct 17, 2020, 8:25 AM
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Look, I don't want to bust your bubble or anything, but again: if you're claiming the whole world is out to get you, you're probably the one with the problem.
Either the world's entire press corps and all its thousands of various publications (owned by thousands of different people) are somehow marching in lockstep to ignore an immense story...or the story was cooked up by some usual suspects (you know, Rupert Murdoch, Rudy Giuliani, Steve Bannon) who have a long and ever-growing history of doing just that.
If you want to believe them, go for it. But the big reason the press rolled their eyes and walked away was the source, John Paul Mac Isaac - his real name, no kidding. It was obvious BS, and he could not have flubbed his initial interview with the press who were actually initially interested in the laptop and its contents any worse. It was obvious after the first two minutes the guy was completely full of sh!t and it only got worse from there.
There is a reason Fox News watchers are regarded as a creepy indoctrinated cult by, well, everyone else.
If you still find this guy credible, I don't know what else to tell you. Have a listen for yourself:
https://soundcloud.com/rptrbnd/mac-shop-10-14-cm
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so let's summarily dismiss this story as BS...
Oct 17, 2020, 9:02 AM
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I'm willing to go there.
Take out the story.
Take our Trump.
Just think about Hunter. How in the heck did he get the jobs and contacts he has gotten? You know, if he was a clean cut guy who had just simply worked hard, the nuts would still question it, but this dude is a complete screw up. Who would hire him if he were not Joe Biden's son? Is this not a legitimate question?
Now the typical deflection is what about the Trump kids? Fair enough. But it seems quite natural for kids to follow their father in the family business. I don't know any long histories of drug abuse, prostitution, etc. I'm not sure what they have done that is illegal, but I hear what crooks they are. If they are, I hope they are prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
The fact of the matter is our news is driven by 6 media conglomerates which all seem to be agenda driven which doesn't seem to be transparent information.
I will be busy reading all the stories from the other 5 conglomerates about the obvious common citizen plants in Joe Biden's town hall while this incredibly unbelievable story about Hunter Biden plays out.
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Re: so let's summarily dismiss this story as BS...
Oct 17, 2020, 9:31 AM
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Sorry, no, that's "six big conglomerates" is another common lie that's commonly thrown around the Foxverse. Even the independents - and there's a ton of those outside what you call the "six conglomerates" - aren't touching the story.
The Guardian, for instance, is self-owned and is in fact increasingly crowd-funded, and does not pay dividends to shareholders. Where's the story there?
https://www.theguardian.com/us
Another big independent is Newsday out of Long Island. You see it here?
https://www.newsday.com/
How about the Boston Globe, owned by Boston Red Sox owner John Henry?
https://www.bostonglobe.com/
I could do another fifty, but you get the point. This story seems to exist only in the News Corp verse, franc. Outside that bubble, it doesn't exist. Doesn't that tell you something?
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I didn't find it on FOX...
Oct 17, 2020, 10:45 AM
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I actually found that on left of center sources like Business Insider and others. I purposefully look for sources without right bias using your https://mediabiasfactcheck.com. I can't always find what I'm looking for from a left source, but try to read things of interest and interpret them on their merit, whether or not I like the source, and try not to cite questionable sources. Thank you for that tool.
Not claiming there are no independent sources, just saying most of the "news" we consume is controlled by relatively few sources.
P.S. Can't even find it on FOX, but I haven't deep searched.
https://www.foxnews.com/search-results/search?q=news%20conglomerates
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Re: Very normal
Oct 17, 2020, 8:47 AM
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Re: Very normal
Oct 17, 2020, 11:21 AM
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And Loretta Lynch and Bill Clinton just talked about grandkids on the tarmac?
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Re: Hunter Biden emails
Oct 17, 2020, 10:27 AM
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But Joe said he never met the guy...interesting how dems always seem to be guilty of doing the same things they falsely accuse the pubs of doing
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Re: Hunter Biden emails
Oct 17, 2020, 10:51 AM
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Jesus, you people do not get it yet, When you see NY Post and a Hunter Biden story, it was sourced through rudy Giuliani, who we now know was working for/through the Kremlin.
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Re: Hunter Biden emails
Oct 17, 2020, 11:14 AM
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This is what the libs do not understand...
There is a difference between a 100% fake, made-up story about Trump in the Steele Dossier, the one about the urination party with videos and photos (yeah, right) and ACTUALLY HAVING VIDEOS AND PHOTOS OF HUNTER BIDEN.
These people have TDS...guarantee you they are thinking "so what there's video and photos of H Biden, same thing goes for Trump." Except that there ARE NO VIDEOS AND PHOTOS OF TRUMP doing this type of stuff.
There's so much noise out there, it's sensory overload for every lib and they just believe what they want to believe regardless of facts.
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I think where this is falling flat for most is that Hunter
Oct 17, 2020, 12:01 PM
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has nothing to do with his dads campaign, isn’t going to be in charge of making peace in the Middle East or overseeing the pandemic response. He’s out there sure, and he benefitted from nepotism, but he’s not consulting for his dads campaign.
Y’all can keep trying on this one, it’s just not going to go anywhere or move any needles. Pun intended.
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I agree, it won't move the needle...
Oct 17, 2020, 12:33 PM
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but if it is true that foreign interests were able to buy an audience with Biden when he was VP, it has everything to do with Joe as POTUS.
Even Joe isn't dumb enough to give Hunter a job.
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Re: I agree, it won't move the needle...
Oct 18, 2020, 10:17 AM
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It can move the needle, and I agree this is 100% related to POTUS.
We already know HB flew on AF2 and benefitted from his Dad's VP position. As POTUS that is more of a big deal.
Plus, what skeletons does HB have in the closet that can be used to blackmail the POTUS? We don't know what we don't know, but logic and history will tell you HB has done a lot of bad chit and it will come out.
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None of this matters. My eyes, ears and partially
Oct 18, 2020, 10:09 AM
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Functioning brain (too many trips to TTT, apple pie shots and whip-its back in the day) tell me all I need to know about the candidates.
Neither Trump nor Biden (or their running mates) are who I would have picked as choices, but they are who we got.
Trump has shown us exactly who he is through his own words and actions. He is over his head and an example of exactly the kind of leader our country does not need. His vision for america is backward looking and divisive. Anything requiring even the remotest ounce of political savvy to accomplish is beyond him and his administration even with control of the senate and the house. That is why the only accomplishments he can point to are based on executive action, which in large part have no meat or staying power. Even though I did not vote for him, I thought he might actually have a chance to disrupt the status quo deadlock partisanship and hoped he might fix some things that so obviously need it and actually the majority of Americans agree on, like healthcare and immigration. But he has not, instead he has spent 3.5 years stoking culture wars and conspiracy theories.
Biden is a lackluster, 1 and done candidate (If he lasts that long). I am not convinced he will be able to get much done and worry what policy might look like if the dems gain control of house, senate and presidency (which by the way is 100% on Trump if it happens).
I know what a 2nd Trump term will look like and I reject it. I hope that Trump loses in a landslide and the Republican Party gets it ‘s act together such that we have a center leaning conservative presidential candidate to unseat Biden (or Harris) .
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My general rule is when “bombshells” flow out piece by piece
Oct 18, 2020, 10:32 AM
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I generally consider it BS and don’t waste my time on it. I just assume it’s some garbage intended to keep a negative story on the front page and has little to do with the truth.
If they have the info (and “they” can be Rudy or the NYP or whomever), release it, provide the info and we’ll assess from there. None of this “oh and there’s more that’s even WORSE!” Nonsense.
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