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TNET: As recruiting gains momentum, Tigers' scholarship numbers looking better

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Jan 23, 2022, 8:00 AM

 
As recruiting gains momentum, Tigers' scholarship numbers looking better

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I don’t buy it, yes we are filling spots but some of these recruits

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Jan 23, 2022, 8:12 AM

Barely had any offers from power 5 schools…..and Hunter J. Already played for us before……I’d rather see quality over quantity. But I hope it works out. And I don’t want to hear the Hunter Renfrow story. He was 1 in a million.

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Re: I don’t buy it, yes we are filling spots but some of these recruits

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Jan 23, 2022, 8:30 AM

Agree, it will give depth on the scout team but it wouldn't surprise me that some of these kids will use the transfer portial within 2 years of getting to Clemson.

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Re: I don’t buy it, yes we are filling spots but some of these recruits

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Jan 23, 2022, 2:26 PM

Transfer portal is a reality for every college football ?? player?
Most schools lose 4 & 5 Stars ?? that think they are not back-ups……

This is looking like a great class to help the Tigers get better over the next several years!

Looking forward to a great future with Dabo!

Go Tigers, Wreck Tech!

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Jan 23, 2022, 3:44 PM


Transfer portal is a reality for every college football ?? player?
Most schools lose 4 & 5 Stars ?? that think they are not back-ups……

This is looking like a great class to help the Tigers get better over the next several years!

Looking forward to a great future with Dabo!

Go Tigers, Wreck Tech!




This is how we should be looking at recruiting moving forward.

I used to appreciate the quality over quantity way too but with the Transfer Portal being the monster it is now, Clemson has to do what's best for Clemson.

That's not to say I expect the Clemson Football staff to just take anyone or pull schollies (I'm sure the process of recruiting the best remains the same), but I expect the numbers to be higher moving forward until the Transfer Portal & NIL has been reeled in whatever way to help make things better.

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I hope we can adapt


Jan 23, 2022, 11:38 PM

But we seem to be resistant to change.

Very concerning with the glaring holes we have on the roster.

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I think if our entire class was 1 and 2 stars...

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Jan 23, 2022, 8:38 AM

there still would be people on here defending it with one or more of the following:

1. Look at Hunter Renfrow, Simmons, etc.

2. Dabo doesn't care what you think, he's won two titles, etc.

3. Coot


Does that about cover it or am I missing any?

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Or Just Folks That Trust The Process That Is Proven

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Jan 23, 2022, 8:54 AM

a proven mix of known top talent combined with culture.

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I agree with you.

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Jan 23, 2022, 9:38 AM

I think the staff has done a great job scouting and building the culture as you said. And no one is saying that they don't trust Dabo.

Why does believing all this at the same time recognizing that we have taken a step back in recruiting this year have to be mutually exclusive events?

Tnet is an interesting microcosm of the worrisome tribalistic nature of people today with all this us versus them mentality and lazy arguments.

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A proven process before the portal and NIL. Those are big

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Jan 23, 2022, 12:03 PM

changes that we don’t seem to have adapted to yet. Maybe we’ll be fine, but we’ve proven nothing in this new environment.

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Some of you are acting like the portal and NIL

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Jan 23, 2022, 7:53 PM

have been around for years and they have monumentally changed football recruiting. Some seem to act like we've lost years of ground based solely on us losing four recruits when BV left.

These two things will have an affect on things sure, but it's not like the nation's elite are out here adding dozens of portal players and bought NIL players. That's just not happening.

There are programs who are typically not elite who are trying to build quick with portal kids. There are a couple programs like Texas A&M who have taken advantage of an NIL with no guardrails, but that's only a couple schools who haven't even been in the CFP mix. Texas A$M for example has seemed to buy an entire recruiting class, but who are all these schools just passing by Clemson via the NIL? We lost 4 kids due to a coach leaving, not because of money.

There's far too much exaggeration going on here. Under this regime we will never try to buy players, and we are not going to routinely sign a bunch of portal players unless there's an absolute need in a position or two.

The NIL has purchased some players at a couple places, but rules have to be addressed. It's nothing but glorified cheating right now, but again, it's not like anyone has left us in the dust with NIL.

Likewise with transfer players. UGA and Alabama had a contributing transfer player or two, but much like NIL it's grossly exaggerated. There's no one leaving us in the dust by signing players who didn't make the cut with their initial choices.

We will sign a portal guy or three if we absolutely have to. We will have some players get NIL deals, but we aren't going to buy players. These rules will need to change anyway. College football cannot have boosters of football programs buying players. There will need to be guidelines preventing tampering before signing day, etc., but regardless the NIL has not hurt Clemson nor will it. (Under this regime) we aren't going to enter into player buying sweepstakes, and it will be forced to change soon anyway.

Overall, there's just too much wringing of hands over the portal and NIL.

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Re: Some of you are acting like the portal and NIL

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Jan 23, 2022, 8:26 PM

This class may not be our best but we filled some good spots with the early signees and now these 3 stars will either build depth or be a surprise starter in their junior/senior years. To many 4/5 stars will continue to be hurt by the transfer portal for now. I predict A&M will be hit hard on two years by portal

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Very thoughtful and well-spoken post


Jan 24, 2022, 7:38 PM

there probably has been too much made over the NIL and even the portal though I think the latter is still probably up for a little debate.

If Alabama, UGA, and Ohio State are using the portal to win big games (including against us) then I don't think you can blame anyone for being concerned that we aren't using it at all.

However, saying this recruiting class is only a disappointment for "losing four players because a coach left" then you're not really following it closely.

First, we lost our top DL and WR targets to UNC (before the coaching shake-up). We lost our top RB target to Florida (with a BRAND new coach).

Secondly, if you can't see that we are on our fallback board for multiple other positions then I really don't know what to tell you. Shoot, we just offered a 180 lb DE with hardly any P5 offers. If we want to be in the mix with Alabama's and UGA's of the world then we absolutely can not have another recruiting class like this and not even be close on our numbers with better players.

If we are looking to make a run every two to three years, I think we are absolutely fine and I'd be ok with that too.

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Re: I think if our entire class was 1 and 2 stars...

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Jan 23, 2022, 9:57 AM


there still would be people on here defending it with one or more of the following:

1. Look at Hunter Renfrow, Simmons, etc.

2. Dabo doesn't care what you think, he's won two titles, etc.

3. Coot


Does that about cover it or am I missing any?



You missed being new to football and being a moron.

Anyone with a brain knows that some of the 3* guys we are signing won’t work out. Same is true of the 4* and 5* guys we have signed. We need depth and these guys provide it. Some will play and some will leave but we are better off with them than without them. We won’t stay elite with this type of class every year but our best teams always featured a mix of elite players and three star grinders.

If some of y’all would pull your head out of your #### you would know these things instead of pitching a hissy fit based on ignorance

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Excellent post.

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Jan 23, 2022, 10:03 AM

No need to get all ornery at the end though, imho.

I think at the end of the day with are just huge fans with lots of different opinions, which I'm cool with.

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Re: Excellent post.

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Jan 23, 2022, 8:32 PM

This year/class could be an outlier due to coaches leaving and commits following them or decommitting. We need more bodies to fill the needs.

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Re: I think if our entire class was 1 and 2 stars...


Jan 24, 2022, 9:30 AM

Nothing like the old "It's better that we're filling our roster gaps with 3* guys than walk-ons" argument to really fill our fanbase with confidence that we're building towards another Natty...

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Re: I think if our entire class was 1 and 2 stars...

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Jan 23, 2022, 11:03 AM


there still would be people on here defending it with one or more of the following:

1. Look at Hunter Renfrow, Simmons, etc.

2. Dabo doesn't care what you think, he's won two titles, etc.

3. Coot


Does that about cover it or am I missing any?


Your missing the biggest one, "stars don't matter". Unless you have a bunch of 5 stars and then you get excited. Guess it was an accident that UGA and Bama have been in the top three almost every year in the past 5. The winner had Stetson B who was an overachieving 2 star but most of the remaining players on the field are 4 and 5 star guys. In the semifinals they played teams without all the "star power". Complete mismatch. Wonder why Bama gets in the Natty every year with a different coaching staff? Probably just luck.

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Jan 24, 2022, 7:47 PM

Not missing a thing. Go Tigers!

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Please Post Your Coaching Credentials and CV for Review

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Jan 23, 2022, 8:50 AM

We will match them to current staff and get back with you if they are accretive

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4* Ben Boulware

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Re: I don’t buy it, yes we are filling spots but some of these recruits

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Jan 23, 2022, 9:32 AM

We are actually doing pretty good with the quality that is left. Our mistakes were made earlier in the process and don't give a whole lot of options at this point. I don't know if we severely missed on our assessment of the number of scholarships we would have available, or missed on the interest of offered recruits, but there should have been many more offers made back in the fall. No I don't think that I am smarter than Dabo and company in regards to football, but I have hindsight to help me. I am sure they would tell you the same thing at this point.

As far as the ones that we could potentially get now, I think that TJ Dudley and Caden Story could be players that could see playing time down the road. TJ Dudley was a former commit to Oregon that started looking again after their coaching changes. We have some very good LB's, but depth could be an issue. Dudley is the 34th ranked LB by 247 but he is the highest ranked that is still not either committed or signed.

As for Caden Story, anyone that trashed Coach Venables and Coach Bates might want to take a pass on discussing him. Since Story is a former Auburn commit that is looking at possibly following Coach Eason, you might come off a little hypocritical. Eason was the recruiter assigned to him at Auburn. Anyhow, Story is the 23rd ranked d lineman on 247, but is 3rd among the ones still out there. He likely only has to wait a year to get into the mix. He would be way down the depth chart this year, but our defensive line will likely have a mass exodus next year. He would need a little patience and will likely be competing with higher rated recruits from the 2023 class, but could become an important piece to the team in a couple of years.

As for the rest you are dead on. Paul looks to be a pretty good back, but does anybody see him passing Shipley, Pace or Mafah on the depth chart. The others are certainly longshots to see the field. Maybe one or two of them will be a diamond in the rough but yes they are filling spots. However, even at filling spots they are more likely to contribute than any of the walkons that we have. Right now we are just making the best of a bad situation.

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Re: I don’t buy it, yes we are filling spots but some of these recruits

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Jan 23, 2022, 10:00 AM

Very well laid out.

I am shocked there's no mention of getting a transfer for CB, a weakside linebacker, and an interior lineman. Actually we've tried oline and whiffed. Now there's talk of getting a portal tackle... I guess hoping they can convert to guard, don't know but we don't need anymore tackles.

We do need a CB, backer, interior that can start this year. As for diping into the portal, not really. Hunter wanted a GA position. Technically a transfer in name only.

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Re: I don’t buy it, yes we are filling spots but some of these recruits

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Jan 23, 2022, 10:19 AM

I thought the same thing when I saw the comment on the transfer portal. I'm also with you on finding a CB and offensive lineman in the portal. At CB I'm not sure how much depth that we can count on the freshmen providing. Without them, we are pretty thin. On the offensive line, I would just like to see us carry more scholarship linemen.

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What "mistakes"?***


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Jan 24, 2022, 4:55 AM

Even if we had not had the 4 guys switch their commitments, we would have been 7 short of filling our spots at the end of the early signing period. That's with Davis, XT, and KJ all deciding to come back. Most of the better talent has already committed by that point. Therefore, missing our number by that much means that mistakes were made.

I'm making this observation in hindsight. I'm not trying to say that I can point to what the mistakes were, that I could have done better, or that they weren't understandable mistakes. Most likely,part of it was the coaching staff missed on the amount of attrition that we would have due to transfer, which would be understandable, but it is still a mistake.

This isn't a dis on the coaching staff. When everything shook out of who was leaving and who was staying, we had 12 of 23 available scholarships filled. Saying that mistakes were made is just stating the obvious, and the coaching staff would tell you so, except they might be able to point to what the mistakes were.

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Agree 100%. This gets us to 77 and that means 8 walk-ons


Jan 23, 2022, 12:13 PM

will get scholarships, crazy.

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Re: I don’t buy it, yes we are filling spots but some of these recruits

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Jan 23, 2022, 1:10 PM

Glad I read this post bc I was about to mention the very same thing. And I will add that a roster full of 3 star players that other mid to top power 5 schools don't won't unless you're usuc, will not, can not keep any team even on their best foot, looking to make it to the playoffs to get there.

I'll be one of the first to say that there are over looked NR, 1,2, and 3 star players out there that can play with most any 4 or 5 star players, but a roster loaded with those types is just wishful thinking bc that many 3 star aren't being over looked. Also, even if there were that many of those types players over looked, we have an inexperienced coaching staff as a whole, and to ask those coaches to coach those types of player up to be high 4 star, or 5 star talent, again is only wishful thinking.

Regardless of who you are, or how long you've been an avid college FB fan, you have to know that you can't hire a bunch of coaches that were never a power 5 position coach, and expect them to make a roster loaded with 3 star recruits into championship type of players.

1) Wes Goodwin, no hands on college coaching experience other than being a graduate assistant, never a position coach, absolutely no coordinator experience no where in organized FB at any level...

2) CJ Spiller, 1 season at Clemson as RB coach, with no hands on coaching experience anywhere before Clemson...

3) Tyler Grisham, Graduate assistant with no other hands on coaching experience, and never a position coach before Clemson...

4) Thomas Austin, Clemson Graduate assistant, Georgia State (2019?2020) O-line coach...

With all of those newly coaching positions that was filled as of lately, the only one with any successful coaching experience is Brandon Streeter. IMO, I don't care who the HC is, Dabo, Saban, Kirby, who ever the best HC in the world is, with that many coaching hires with no more coaching experience than the ones Dabo has appointed to coaching positions on our Tiger FB team, you're not going to take a college power 5 team with a roster loaded with a bunch of 3 star talent, and be a top 10 FB team. For me personally, I do not see that happening in no way shape or form!!! I believe that those new hires are good people with a lot of good potential, but I think that it's to early in their
young coaching careers to accomplish a playoff status with very many 3 star recruits. IMO, it would be difficult for that many inexperience coaches on one team to get to the playoffs even from the ACC, and then get past that first game with a win, with a loaded roster of 4-5 star talent. But I truly don't see that happening with a depth chart that has a lot of 3 star players as backups.

If Dabo can take all those young inexperienced coaches with a roster that has as many 3 star players, as there is 4-5 star players, and get to the National Championship game and win it, no doubt he would be the best college FB Head Coach ever in the history of college FB head coaches!!!!

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Our projected starting line up next year by stars

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Jan 23, 2022, 1:26 PM

OL LT-RT: 3, 5, 3, 4, 4 with the 3 star McFadden our best player

QB: 5

RB: 5,4,4

WR-4, 4, 4

TE-4

DE: 5, 5

DT: 5,4

LB: 5, 5, 4

CB: two 4's or a 4 and a 5

S: 4, 4

How exactly are we a roster full of 3 stars? We'll sign some 3 stars to close out this class. Maybe a couple of 4 stars. Of the 10 position players already signed nine are 4 stars and one is a 3 star. Again, how are we a roster with a ton of 3 stars?

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Thank you for correcting this

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Jan 23, 2022, 6:03 PM

We lost 4 good commits when BV left, otherwise we are continuing to build the program in the same manner we always have. This class may not end up as a top 5 class, but we won two national championships with non-top 5 classes. We will continue to recruit to Clemson and develop like we always have.

One season without a top 5 class is not going to bury the program. We may get a couple guys from the portal, but again, kids in the portal want to transfer and start. Kids aren't transferring to become added depth.

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If we finish top 15 I'll be elated

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Jan 23, 2022, 6:33 PM

after losing 4 guys last minute who had us in the top 10. BTW, the 2 championships we won were primarily built with classes ranked 15 or so

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The kool aid is strong in this article.

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Jan 23, 2022, 8:13 AM

Good grief. I could barely get through it.

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Re: The kool aid is strong in this article.

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Jan 23, 2022, 8:50 AM

He's a senior staff writer for Tigernet reporting the situation. What would you have him write? Good Lord - you coots are amazing.

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A real analysis of the situation and not sugar coated

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Jan 23, 2022, 12:16 PM

fantasy. David is one of the best, but this was below his standards. Read an article from Shakin or Clemson Insider and see what could have been said here. David, 98% of the time is better than the writers from those sites, but he missed on this one.

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Jan 23, 2022, 12:44 PM

Lol, it is a bit strong.

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It’s David Hood, what do you expect? It’s what you get when


Jan 24, 2022, 8:33 PM

you have a fan writing articles on the team.

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It’s almost as if Dabo knows what he’s doing.

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Jan 23, 2022, 8:40 AM

Maybe someday he’ll win something.

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I see you went with #2

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Jan 23, 2022, 8:42 AM

Good choice Row!

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Better choice than your #0.....***


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Re: TNET: As recruiting gains momentum, Tigers' scholarship numbers looking better

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Jan 23, 2022, 8:47 AM

Previous 3-stars/recruits with little attention who have shined at Clemson... Even with all those highly regarded 4 and 5 star recruits filling their class...

2020:
Will Taylor

2019:
Lannden Zanders
Ruke Orhorroho
Hunter Rayburn
Davis Allen
Mason Trotter (2-star)

2018:
Jordan McFadden
Braden Galloway

2017:
Logan Rudolph
Baylor Spector

2016:
Cornell Powell
Tremayne Anchrum
Kavon Wallace
James Skalsi

2015:
Tanner Muse

2014:
Justin Falcinelli
Taylor Hearn
Jaylon Williams

2013:
Cordrea Tankersly
Corrin Wiggins
Marcus Edmond
Maverick Morris
Ryan Carter
Jadar Johnson

2012:
Isaiah Battle
Martin Aiken
DJ Reader
TJ Burrell
Kevin Dodd

2011:
Eric Mac Lain
Corey Crawford
Ryan Norton
Shaq Anthony
Deshaun Williams
BJ Goodson
Adam Humphries (2-star)
Grady Jarrett
Stanton Seckinger (2-star)


It's almost like stars and offers are worthless for measuring potential.

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I certInly wouldn’t say all those guys have shined.

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Jan 23, 2022, 9:08 AM

Braden Galloway for example. If you are going to make this list, reduce it down to the ones who actually did shine for credibility purposes.

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Re: I certInly wouldn’t say all those guys have shined.

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Jan 23, 2022, 9:39 AM

That list had some players on it that were highly rated and several that barely played. Many of the players listed are a stretch for the point that is trying to be made.

Cornell Powell was a borderline 5-star (top 50) recruit on Rivals and didn’t do anything for 4 years before finally having a good season.

Kevin Dodd had 1 good year.

Maverick Morris, did he even play?

Martin Aiken had 16 tackles and 2 sacks in 3 seasons.

Mason Trotter, I wouldn’t say at this point that any of the recent OL signees have been great.

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Jan 23, 2022, 10:25 AM

That's the reason we sign 85. all can't be great and even if they were, wouldn't be enough footballs for them.

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Re: I certInly wouldn’t say all those guys have shined.

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Jan 23, 2022, 11:19 AM


That list had some players on it that were highly rated and several that barely played. Many of the players listed are a stretch for the point that is trying to be made.

Cornell Powell was a borderline 5-star (top 50) recruit on Rivals and didn’t do anything for 4 years before finally having a good season.

Kevin Dodd had 1 good year.

Maverick Morris, did he even play?

Martin Aiken had 16 tackles and 2 sacks in 3 seasons.

Mason Trotter, I wouldn’t say at this point that any of the recent OL signees have been great.


A stretch is being too kind. I never single out a player giving his best that's simply not very good. In this case it's a big list. Some good, some role players, and some horrible. Just because they wind up playing doesn't mean they are particularly good. Need a shorter list here to call them good players IMO.

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Jan 23, 2022, 12:43 PM

Just some additions because I didn't see Nolan Turner on the list. Every playoff team had key contributors who were 2* or 3* recruits.

2017
Chase Brice

2016
Cade Stewart
Nolan Turner

2015
Davis Twins
Denzel Johnson
Gage Cervenka
Kelly Bryant

2014
CJ Fuller
Kendall Joseph
Jeff Gibson

2013
TJ Green
Jordan Legget

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Jan 23, 2022, 1:37 PM

Kelly Bryant and Chase Brice were both rated as 4 stars by Rivals and ESPN. Also Jefferie Gibson played in 3 games while at Clemson with a total of 6 tackles, how is that being a key contributor?

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Jan 23, 2022, 8:47 AM

The return of KJ, XT and TD was huge for our defense but Feb. 2 is still an important day. We do need to remember players have until May 1 to enter the Portal.

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Simple fact is the level of recruiting has suffered some

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Jan 23, 2022, 8:52 AM

There is a correlation between Natties and the 1-2 recruiting classes preceding that title for said school.

Dabo knows this and I am hoping he gets us back on track now that the staff has settled.

Are they passing the offering plate at church this morning?

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Re: Simple fact is the level of recruiting has suffered some

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Jan 23, 2022, 11:12 AM

tigerbum5 said:

There is a correlation between Natties and the 1-2 recruiting classes preceding that title for said school.

Dabo knows this and I am hoping he gets us back on track now that the staff has settled.

Are they passing the offering plate at church this morning?


When NIL becomes entrenched then everything will shift around the top players and top teams. I haven't seen a plan on how Clemson will address this but it is coming fast.

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Jan 23, 2022, 12:28 PM

Unfortunately whisper, I tend to agree with you.

Of course, you also know this, but I'll say it for you re: NIL 'winners':

(1) Top players
(2) Top teams
(3) Rich schools with rich FB-loving alumni

The recruiting game will change:

From: Creating and demonstrating a top environment for FB players to develop into both better players and better men

To: Getting money fast via alumni-inflated NIL deals

If the NCAA and the universities can't get their brains around how to manage this, then college football as we know it is toast.

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Jan 23, 2022, 12:52 PM

Yes, toast but hopefully not burnt toast.
Oh how I love college football.

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Re: TNET: As recruiting gains momentum, Tigers' scholarship numbers looking better

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Jan 23, 2022, 8:53 AM

Anyone sticking their head in the sand and thinking that we will get every 4 or 5 Star recruits we offer is either seriously ill, on drugs or just dumb. No team will have 85 players that are either 4 or 5 stars because those players will not sit on the bench.

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Jan 23, 2022, 10:00 AM

Last time I checked the players sitting the bench had very little affect on the game. You want as many highly rated recruits as you can because they are more likely to see the field. Yes there are times when the coaching staff sees potential and makes an offer based on an unrealized upside for the player, but that is not what is happening now. Now, we are offering players from a shrunken pool of what is left because of miscalculations in the fall.

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Jan 23, 2022, 12:55 PM

Miscalculations and a mass exodus of prime coaching staff.

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Jan 23, 2022, 8:56 AM

The article says "momentum and looking better". Its not like they are doing an aircraft carrier declare victory

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Re: TNET: As recruiting gains momentum, Tigers' scholarship numbers looking better

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Jan 23, 2022, 9:13 AM

I see some of the points on here, but I do feel better that we at least have bodies coming in that could develop. Hunter Johnson coming back is huge for that Qb room. Not for playing necessarily, experience and depth if needed. He is here possibly develop as a coach in the future. I also like Lawson and Turner. No theyre not high prospects but the fact they can pick up the phone when struggles hit to call big brother means they're more likely to stay and develop versus hitting the transfer portal. They know our culture. Losing what we lost after losing coaches was never going to be replaced by the same quality, but at least they have went to work and we are not dealing with having a bunch of walk ons. Its not perfect I agree. And 2023 recruiting has to improve, but better than what it was for sure.

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Jan 23, 2022, 9:32 AM

Dang the recruiting rules that have to be followed. It's about like filling out tax forms. Does it really need to be that complicated? Oh yeah 2 stars matter.

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Jan 23, 2022, 11:31 AM

I think the perceived downturn in recruiting is attributable to three things: Covid, NIL, and coaches leaving.

The last couple of recruiting periods were severely affected by not getting recruits on campus because of Covid. Getting recruits on campus to experience Clemson's culture in person has long been the difference in getting many of them to commit/sign.

NIL has definitely become big in recruiting. Schools with businesses/boosters willing to pump big dollars into recruits' pockets (Georgia, Alabama, Texas A&M) are getting more of the elite recruits. Can't fault the schools nor the recruits...just the state of college football today. Until we figure out how to get more NIL dollars into our program we will be at a disadvantage.

Losing both coordinators and several position coaches really hurt us on the recruiting trail, evidenced by the number of decommits we had after BV left for Oklahoma. One of the major factors for these players coming to Clemson was playing for Venables. It will likely take a year for the new guys to prove themselves to prospective recruits.

Now that Covid is subsiding a bit, if we can figure out how to get more NIL dollars into our program and our new coaches show what

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Jan 23, 2022, 1:08 PM

I agree that COVID had a major impact on our recruiting. I also think that we will get better with NIL. There were some basic rules that restricted some of the ways that NIL was supposed to be used in recruiting. It should be no surprise that the teams that you mentioned are more comfortable with living in the gray areas of the recruiting rules. Now that the NCAA has completely ignored teams pushing the envelope, Clemson will adjust.

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Jan 23, 2022, 11:33 AM

I think the perceived downturn in recruiting is attributable to three things: Covid, NIL, and coaches leaving.

The last couple of recruiting periods were severely affected by not getting recruits on campus because of Covid. Getting recruits on campus to experience Clemson's culture in person has long been the difference in getting many of them to commit/sign.

NIL has definitely become big in recruiting. Schools with businesses/boosters willing to pump big dollars into recruits' pockets (Georgia, Alabama, Texas A&M) are getting more of the elite recruits. Can't fault the schools nor the recruits...just the state of college football today. Until we figure out how to get more NIL dollars into our program we will be at a disadvantage.

Losing both coordinators and several position coaches really hurt us on the recruiting trail, evidenced by the number of decommits we had after BV left for Oklahoma. One of the major factors for these players coming to Clemson was playing for Venables. It will likely take a year for the new guys to prove themselves to prospective recruits.

Now that Covid is subsiding a bit, if we can figure out how to get more NIL dollars into our program and our new coaches show what they are capable of, we will be just fine in recruiting. Of course another natty will help also!! Go Tigers!

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All except Story are complete fall backs. There is a reason

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Jan 23, 2022, 11:52 AM

we didn't recruit any of them prior to early signing day. Who cares if the scholarships get up to 85 if you're just filling them with sub-par recruits that will now be here for years. I'd rather save the spots for next cycle and get some recruits that will get us to the playoff. And while I'm glad we got Hunter Johnson for depth, or perhaps starter (Klubnick may not be ready and DJ is just that bad), that is not wowing the transfer portal. From your opening paragraph, I thought we were getting ready for some real surprises from the portal. This past recruiting year was a disaster created from a combination of Venables leaving and us losing four top recruits, but also because our staff went into December with only 14 recruits committed and no others they were working on.

We wasted a championship level defense in 2021 because the staff ignored what they saw from DJ in the Spring and Summer. They didn't go portal and they didn't get any of the backup qbs ready. They buried their head in the sand and wasted a championship defense.

We now have a program that was elite and built with Venables, Morris and imagination on offense and has turned into brothers of players playing, and coaches that are simply young former players.

Spiller: Running backs looked good.
Streeter: Will believe it when I see it
Grisham: Receivers were a disaster
Austin: Show me. Why didn't he make a difference in the OL working under Caldwell.
Goodwin: We will see, seems good so far.

So you mean to tell me a program of our level could not go out and get a proven offensive line coach, proven offensive coordinator, proven receiver coach. Heck look at the OC Venables hired in his first week.

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There certainly is risk with the hire from within approach.

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Jan 23, 2022, 12:08 PM

Streeter worries me in terms of QB growth. TL was just as good as a freshman as he was a senior. DJ looked great as a freshman, but as a sophomore hmmm.

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Jan 23, 2022, 9:18 PM

RC Tiger® said:

Streeter worries me in terms of QB growth. TL was just as good as a freshman as he was a senior. DJ looked great as a freshman, but as a sophomore hmmm.




Went back and reviewed depth charts, game rosters, and videos of every game. Didn't see TL playing (or otherwise anywhere in the organization) as a senior. What did I miss??

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Jan 24, 2022, 7:27 PM

Do you remember the beatings Streeter took because of our inept offensive line? A good comparison would be the Rocky movies. Stay tuned!

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So you expect people to believe you have a better grasp


Jan 23, 2022, 6:15 PM

on the direction of the program than the head coach?

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Jan 23, 2022, 11:01 PM

It's not like a HC is going to come out and tell the fans that the program is on a downward trajectory lol

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Jan 24, 2022, 7:48 AM

I don't know that you can even call them fall backs when we're offering players that committed to us 6 months ago as preferred walk-ons. And yes, BV knocked it outta the park with his OC hire(J Lebby).

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Some of you...

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Jan 23, 2022, 12:06 PM

...worry too much about who we recruit and sign. Some of you go with the flow and put your trust in Dabo and his staff to do what is right for CLEMSON. I'm not worried at all for the future. Be they a 2 star or 5 star, the bottom line is performance!

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LOL, not worried if htey are tow stars.***


Jan 23, 2022, 12:20 PM



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I like Hood's work a lot and think he is one of the best but


Jan 23, 2022, 12:12 PM

this piece was nothing more than pure sunshine pump make believe. Beneath his skill level to have a spin article like this.

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Your opinion and that is ok...


Jan 23, 2022, 12:29 PM

I just wish those painting a dire picture on this recruiting class would look at Dabo’s history of taking what seems to be a less than ideal star ranked recruit and turns them into significant contributors. He finds more diamonds in the rough than most others and gets the most out of them.

Let’s give him some credit in this regard.

Now that said, we must sign some clear superstars like Klubnick and Shipley and Lawrence and DW, etc. too.

David is just trying to say it looks much better today than it did 2 weeks ago. And he is correct. Sunshine pumping? IMO I don’t think so. But hey, it is an opinion. Everyone has them.

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Jan 23, 2022, 1:05 PM

Your last paragraph... you made a good point concerning David's article but he did sprinkle in some sunshine. ??

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Re: I like Hood's work a lot - ya'll missing one big aspect

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Jan 23, 2022, 12:40 PM

There is one advantage to 'late scholarship offers' that do not fully offset the primary objective of getting the 'original' players that are targeted.

'Late offer' players: The coaches have more data (more recent film / post-season HS playoff games) from which to evaluate the 'under rated' players. Nearly all decisions are better when the data set is larger.

Clemson's coaches have been excellent at reviewing late-season and post-regular-season film, and I suspect that it is this extra work by our coaching staff that has led to disproportionately high rates of success with 3* and sometimes 2* players.

Again, not to say that Clemson coaches would prefer Myles Oliver to Daylon Everette ... or J.Lawson to Jihaad Campbell, but M.Oliver and J.Lawson aren't chopped liver. Their Sr. season film is better than their Jr. season film; D.Everette and J.Campbell got their reputations from Jr. season film and from the recruiting experts 'tournament' performances.

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Jan 23, 2022, 1:12 PM

I rather be a Tiger.

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dabo still reluctant to use the portal is a big issue

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Jan 23, 2022, 1:46 PM

in b4 hunter..who was already on the team at one point..call me when we pick up a guy who never played at clemson that will be an immediate help say an o linemen which we need

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Jan 23, 2022, 6:41 PM


in b4 hunter..who was already on the team at one point..call me when we pick up a guy who never played at clemson that will be an immediate help say an o linemen which we need



Post your number you smug dufus and we all will give you a call

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Jan 23, 2022, 5:26 PM

Watching film and and looking at measurables, Paul, Griffin, and Story are all good pick ups and are worthy of offers. McCloud does not look good on film but we’ll see. Dudley, is also a good pick up and worthy of an offer. Lawson is a wildcard. He really looked good in the north south game and dominated at times. Needs to gain weight and strength to be effective at this level. Lawson doesn’t come close to replacing Campbell and Oliver is definitely no Everette. However, Griffin looks every bit as good as Saab.

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