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CU Medallion [64953]
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Notre Dame should get NO consideration for the CFB,
Jan 14, 2015, 9:27 AM
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unless they are ranked in the top 4 of all the polls, for a 4 team playoff, or the top 8 of the polls in the event of an 8 team playoff. This bull$h!t that went on during the BCS era for ND always made me sick, and should not continue. Either fully get your ### in a conference, or quit your beyatching. They get almost as much of a free pass as Al-er-BAMA. End of rant.
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Re: Notre Dame should get NO consideration for the CFB,
Jan 14, 2015, 9:29 AM
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The committee has soon they take conference championship and conference championship games into acctount. So I would say it has gotten tougher for them.
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plus they will be matching their 12 games vs 13 games
Jan 15, 2015, 10:04 AM
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played by other teams that win conference champ games.
This scenario played against TCU and Baylor big time in year 1.
Notre Dame admin HAS to be seeing the writing on the wall here recently.
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I think all conferences should have a champion, and that
Jan 14, 2015, 9:31 AM
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team should be in a playoff. You could have the power 5, and then 3 at large teams from other conferences, this would allow a team like Boise St to get in.
No bias, no polls, no human factor to d1ck it all up. Clean and simple.
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Oculus Spirit [93604]
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Screw Boise, they need to join the Big 12 and play a decent
Jan 14, 2015, 9:33 AM
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schedule like everybody else.
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I am not singling them out, just saying that all schools
Jan 14, 2015, 9:43 AM
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should have a shot. If they are the lower seeds, then fine.
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Re: Screw Boise, they need to join the Big 12 and play a decent
Jan 14, 2015, 9:43 AM
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You can't just "Join the Big 12". If they are to remain in the same division as everyone else you have to give them a chance to win it all. I would go as far as putting the highest rated champion in the 8 team field. Year after year we see these teams beating Big 5 teams in the bowl season. If you want to take the top 64-80 teams and make a new D1 then I am okay with leaving them out but until then everyone needs a defined path to the championship.
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Exactly right. Geez...does he think the Big 12 is begging
Jan 14, 2015, 9:48 AM
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them to join and Boise State is saying no? Does he think Boise State can just tell the Big 12 that they're a member?
If you claim that the playoff crowns a champion then everyone who plays in that division should have a path to it. Right now it does not. So it's not a playoff so much as it's a massive money making machine.
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Re: Exactly right. Geez...does he think the Big 12 is begging
Jan 15, 2015, 10:01 AM
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After getting left out due to no conference champion this year the Big 12 may soon be begging Boise to join.
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Oculus Spirit [93604]
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Legend [15730]
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Possibly, but "screw Boise" for not doing something that has
Jan 16, 2015, 8:13 AM
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not been presented as an option yet...is kind of stupid.
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Re: I think all conferences should have a champion, and that
Jan 14, 2015, 10:36 AM
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This is what I was saying from the beginning you should have all the power 5 conference champions and have three wildcards or something then number 1 and 2 get a bye or home field advantage or something
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Oculus Spirit [93604]
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If they go undefeated they might pass a two loss Conf Champ.
Jan 14, 2015, 9:31 AM
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I think they are going to be satisfied with making more bowl money than any other team in the NCAA. If they make any of the 8 playoff bowls they'll get a huge payday and share it with nobody.
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Re: If they go undefeated they might pass a two loss Conf Champ.
Jan 14, 2015, 9:45 AM
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The money for making the playoff isn't that big. They will get more money by playing as the ACC opponent in the Orange bowl. The conferences already split most of the money from the playoffs. Outside of the contract bowls with conferences the payouts actually went down from the BCS bowls.
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Orange Blooded [3573]
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Why should they have to be in a conference?
Jan 14, 2015, 9:36 AM
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If their strength of schedule is high enough and they win those games, then why should being in some arbitrary "club" of schools matter?
If they cruise playing cupcakes then they shouldn't get any consideration regardless of what conference they play in or their ranking.
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Re: Why should they have to be in a conference?
Jan 15, 2015, 10:05 AM
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Too much common sense in this post, thus most people will choose to ignore it or simply not understand it.
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Oculus Spirit [93604]
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I think the committee clearly favored winners of the CCGs.
Jan 15, 2015, 10:27 AM
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I think that's the main reason the Big 12 was left out of the playoffs.
Personally, I don't give a rat's bumb what happens to ND but if they want a good shot at a playoff game they probably need to join a conference.
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Here's my take....
Jan 14, 2015, 9:57 AM
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Notre Dame's chances of reaching a 4-team playoff has gotten increasingly slim because their strength of wins will only be great if the team they are playing against is great. If the NCAA would have gone to a playoff system the year ND went to the NC, they wouldn't have gone. They played and struggled against too many bad teams that year. That is the D-I independent's hurdle: Enough great wins and beating the teams you are suppose to by a large margin.....And the only way you can do that is by playing in a conference with teams you are familiar with.
Also, I use to think 8 teams would be the way to go. I have changed my stance. 6 teams with #1 and #2 taking a *bye* (much like the NFL) seems more reasonable. That way you get a Baylor or TCU matchup with an Alabama or Oregon or FSU or OSU. Even a Marshall or some other undefeated "non power 5" conference team a shot at the National Championship. It would take away the "bias" that still exist and it settles the TCU/Baylor debate when it happens again.
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Re: Notre Dame should get NO consideration for the CFB,
Jan 15, 2015, 9:53 AM
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I still say scrap the whole thing and start over the right way. We all know that some of the current FBS schools will never compete with the big boys so ...... Re do the whole thing.
80 team top tier (have to combine FBS and FCS then divide into,three levels instead of two)
Put those 80 teams into 8 ten team regional confs, play a 9 game Conf schedule, then schedule 2 OOC teams however you want - other top tier teams on a home and home, two lower tier home games however the program wants bk it won't matter. (Yep going back to 11 game reg season too)
Conf champs from each of the 8 confs are seeded into 8'team playoff with first game being played at home field of higher seeded team. (Extra home game as reward to fans and teams) also set up exact same rules for determining CC for each conf. Worried about the seeding and possible bias? Don't do seeding all,are equal in first round and the HCs can meet and have a televised event where they draw for opponents and home field advantage in the first round. Those draws would also play,out the second round from the brackets.
Use top bowls on rotating basis for second round of playoff like now with separate NC game.
No subjectivity, no questions, you wanna win the NC? Win your conf, win your playoff games, and then win the big one. It would all be done on the field with no bias!!
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The thing is with Notre Dame
Jan 15, 2015, 10:07 AM
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is they aren't refusing to join any conferences because they think being Independent is helpful, they are refusing because they would lose that big @ss TV Contract that brings more money to their school than any college playoff appearance would...
I honestly say to h3ll with ND...Give them the stipulations on being able to make the playoffs and if they don't implement them, treat them like an Ivy League school...
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It irritates the hail out of me that the ACC allowed
Jan 16, 2015, 7:41 AM
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this one sided arrangement with ND to begin with. It should have been, either you're in as a full member in ALL sports, or you're not in at all. And I would have been fine with them not being in at all. I don't think they are nearly the quality program they once were in football anyway. They live off their past reputation even more than some of the SECheat schools.
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Re: It irritates the hail out of me that the ACC allowed
Jan 16, 2015, 7:43 AM
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so, you would rather them join the big 10 with the same arrangement huh. or any other league. nd will be a full member soon.
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Re: It irritates the hail out of me that the ACC allowed
Jan 16, 2015, 8:01 AM
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As I said, I don't see them as this giant golden property that others see them as. This arrangement just feeds into the "weak ACC" perception. Not only weak on the field, weak at the negotiating table. I would be happy to welcome them as a full member, should that ever occur. I just don't see it happening as the sure thing some others seem to think it is.
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Re: Notre Dame should get NO consideration for the CFB,
Jan 16, 2015, 8:09 AM
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My feeling is that after a year or two more, ND will see the ONLY way they are going to get into the CFP is join the ACC in football. Course, I really dont see them winning the ACC anytime soon. They are between a rock and a hard place, but the money keeps rolling in.
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