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The Real Cost of Parting Ways with Dabo Swinney
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Nov 6, 2025, 4:22 AM
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Currently, if Clemson decides to terminate Coach Swinney, the cost is about $60M. If both parties decide to mutually part ways and Dabo were to be hired by another school, his buyout is $4M unless it is Alabama. If Alabama hires him away from Clemson his buyout is currently $6M.
Now, that is merely the monetary costs of parting ways with Coach Swinney. However, I want to discuss the real costs of parting ways with Coach Dabo Swinney that may have a lasting negative impact on the state of Clemson Football for decades. Here are few main points that I want to make that most may or may not agree with. This is merely my personal take on it.
Point 1. If Clemson fires Coach Swinney, you can imagine that some of his reasonable coaching hires would leave with him. They would either be fired as well or leave on their own to coach elsewhere. The replacements would most likely cost much less but have much less experience than Coach Swinney and his coaching hires such as Matt Luke or Tom Allen.
Point 2. Many of the current team members on the roster that show actual promise would leave to play for another school. With the coaches leaving, the new hires will not be guaranteed to have a full roster intact to develop. Also, the new coaches would not be highly touted or experienced. They can recruit the portal and boost NIL all day long, but the fact remains that the method in question does NOT win championships. Take FSU for a solid example. They recruited 37 players from the portal this past season and they currently sit where Clemson sits this season. What a waste of money.
Point 3. The cost of a buyout and hiring a blue-chip coach would exceed what Clemson is willing to pay. So, Clemson is stuck with paying a higher cost to receive the same results if not worse results whenever you calculate the buyout and the new contract. Please see FSU and Jimbo Fisher for a proper reference.
Point 4. What coach would want to come to Clemson whenever a National Championship Coach is fired for one bad season? Sure, there was a slight decline in results for the past five seasons, but in the eyes of most coaches who have experience in this profession, they view Coach Swinney's performance for the past five years through a different lens than a fan. Trust me, we would end up with a moron as the head coach, and the recruiting would drop drastically. This would only fan the flames to the dumpster fire that would result from firing Coach Swinney.
I provide this 4-point reference to remind everyone that Coach Swinney is a Hall of Fame Legend at Clemson and whenever a Legend gets fired or retires, a program slumps into a depression for a long time and in the worst-case scenario, it can slump for more than three decades. That being said, if you don't mind all of the recruits decommitting, players leaving, and the entire replacement coaching staff being cheaper but inexperienced for the next 6 years, then by all means, "FIRE DABO". If anyone believes for a minute that things will immediately improve with Dabo coaching elsewhere, then you are dead wrong. Look at what happened whenever they fired Danny Ford. The program was a middle of the pack ACC team for 20 years. In this atmosphere, it would be much longer before Clemson even has the chance to look at the mountain of College Football Championships. Clemson would be blowing large amounts of money for decades trying to find another coach like Dabo Swinney to lead the program. At the end of the day, it just isn't worth it. Clemson would just become a basketball school or a baseball school. Even worse, it could become a volleyball school.
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Re: The Real Cost of Parting Ways with Dabo Swinney
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Nov 6, 2025, 6:45 AM
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Poor little ole Clemson will just never be nothing without ONE man. I just don't understand that mentality. How in the world did Duke football pass and beat us twice in three years through two coaching changes? I don't know about comparing what happened in the 90's after Danny to what could happen in this day and time.
How much are the empty seats that are starting to show with Dabo costing us? He is starting to lose the room and it's only going to get worse if he doesn't start beating Power 4 opponents at home.
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Its an absolutely ridiculous, naive mindset.***
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Nov 6, 2025, 10:52 AM
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Orange Blooded [2290]
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I haven't read the contract. But if CDS chooses to
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Nov 6, 2025, 6:49 AM
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break the contract and go to another school, CU pays him?
I thought he paid the $4m/$6m buyout if he goes to another school.
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Valley Legend [13081]
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Re: I haven't read the contract. But if CDS chooses to
Nov 6, 2025, 8:29 AM
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No, I said if he leaves for another school it's $4M except for Bama. If Bama, then it's $6M. That's if both parties agree to part ways mutually. In other words, Dabo resigns. If Dabo is fired, he gets $60M this year and $57M if the termination happens next year. After next year, he's owed the rest of his contracted salary.
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Orange Blooded [2290]
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Apparently, you ARE an old Marine.
Nov 6, 2025, 8:41 AM
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My question was about confirming who pays whom if CDS decided to leave. Your post makes it sound like the school pays him if he decides to leave.
That's dumb, if the contract says that. Pay him to leave and pay him more if he goes to Bama?
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Valley Legend [12367]
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No those pieces of the buyout are what Dabo would owe Clemson.
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Nov 6, 2025, 8:55 AM
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$4 million to go anywhere but Bama.
$6 million of he leaves to go to Bama.
I actually thought those numbers were higher.
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Orange Blooded [2290]
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Thank you!***
Nov 6, 2025, 9:02 AM
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Dynasty Maker [3491]
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It's a tad confusing because
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Nov 6, 2025, 9:10 AM
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the same word ("buyout") gets used for distinct provisions that apply to the obligation in different directions.
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Valley Legend [13081]
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Valley Legend [13081]
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Re: Apparently, you ARE an old Marine.
Nov 6, 2025, 12:47 PM
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Oh, I now understand. I mean the buyout clause is the buyout clause. And I worded it in such a way that I maybe caused the confuse. My apologies, I understand what you're asking now. And you're correct in that if both parties to mutually agree to part ways because Dabo has another Head Coaching position, the school that acquires Coach Swinney must either pay it or Coach Swinney must pay it. Hope that clarifies the post a bit better.
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Valley Legend [13081]
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Re: The Real Cost of Parting Ways with Dabo Swinney
Nov 6, 2025, 8:37 AM
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All in all, I believe the best route is to allow Coach Swinney's contract to fade away and, in the meantime, look for another coach that can lead the program. His contract ends in 5 or 6 years and by then, he may have Clemson back in the groove of things. Who knows, but paying $60M to fire someone is ridiculous.
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Re: The Real Cost of Parting Ways with Dabo Swinney
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Nov 6, 2025, 8:43 AM
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Excellent post. 100 % spot on.
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Re: The Real Cost of Parting Ways with Dabo Swinney
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Nov 6, 2025, 8:49 AM
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“ Sure, there was a slight decline in results for the past five seasons, but in the eyes of most coaches who have experience in this profession, they view Coach Swinney's performance for the past five years through a different lens than a fan.”
— I think the performance is enhanced by Clemson being in the SEC footprint but playing in the ACC. Clemson is a heavyweight playing in a middleweight class. Clemson is losing to flippin’ Duke and SMU, not UGA and Bama.
One key difference between Dabo and his predecessors is Clemson has invested more in him. Much has been spent on facilities and staff salaries. I think Dabo has been as high as the second highest paid coach at one time and still in the top 3-4. So it makes sense that the expectations are (rightfully) higher now than during previous regimes. If Clemson gave all that to someone else, he could probably do fine in the ACC too.
I think Dabo will (and should) survive this season no matter what, even losing to Furman. But if next year is mediocre too, I think dismissal would be justified from a performance standpoint. Not sure about the buyout factors and all that jazz.
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Re: The Real Cost of Parting Ways with Dabo Swinney
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Nov 6, 2025, 8:57 AM
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Are you suggesting that if Dabo left or was fired, good coaches wouldn’t want to coach at Clemson and good players would not want to play there?
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Valley Legend [13081]
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Re: The Real Cost of Parting Ways with Dabo Swinney
Nov 6, 2025, 12:49 PM
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Recruiting was crap prior to Coach Swinney's arrival. The only reason why Charlie Pell and Danny Ford landed so many top recruits was due to unethical recruiting practices. For which, Clemson was penalized.
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A bird in the hand.
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Nov 6, 2025, 10:10 AM
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We got a good bird, and I can’t believe after what he has done for this school so many are so quick to kick him to the curb after some struggles. It’s pathetic. It’s not just loyalty either - the man has shown what he is capable of and it is just wise to give him a chance to correct. The buyout is too large to not allow a couple more years to let him make changes. Clemson was mediocre for decades and some seem to have got spoiled with success (which they didn’t earn but witnessed) to such a degree that they are willing to dishonor the person who gave them that and also gave the school respect for superior graduation rates. Get it together folks and give Dabo some time to fix. There are few coaches who have led their school to a national championship, especially multiple championships. If he says he will make changes and shows an effort, why would you disregard that?
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Valley Legend [13081]
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Re: A bird in the hand.
Nov 6, 2025, 12:50 PM
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PREACH!
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Re: The Real Cost of Parting Ways with Dabo Swinney
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Nov 6, 2025, 10:55 AM
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these dolts that want him fired or have his hands tied on decision making sound like sec type trash
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