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I don’t often agree with Greg McElroy, but in this case I do
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Feb 9, 2023, 2:03 PM
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While Dabo might be right that we have become spoiled as a fan base, he has got to realize that he is not in position to deliver that lecture.
When you make $9.5 million a year, there are expectations. And, if we didn’t have higher expectations he wouldn’t have had a shot at the head coaching job and Tommy Bowden would still be here.
When your IPTAY dues go up double digits every year that creates expectations. When you ask fans to give more money to NIL, that creates expectations too. It’s sad, but it’s true. And he’s not in a good position to whine about it. Praying he gets a little 3rd person perspective on things like this.
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Agree... When you pay a coach top tier money...
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Feb 9, 2023, 2:12 PM
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You expect top tier performance on the field.
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Re: Agree... When you pay a coach top tier money...
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Feb 9, 2023, 3:29 PM
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From an '81 grad who went to his first Clemson game in 1963, we are definitely getting top tier performance out of Dabo Swinney.
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Tiger Titan [50721]
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Not the last couple of years.***
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Feb 10, 2023, 10:50 PM
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Clemson Conqueror [11587]
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Re: I don’t often agree with Greg McElroy, but in this case I do
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Feb 9, 2023, 2:15 PM
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Dabo does need a little perspective.
Clemson is has the top 3 highest paid Head coach in the country?
Clemson has proven to either have, has had, or has the capability to pay for a top 3-4 coordinator for both sides of the ball.
Many other points, but just those two alone leads me to believe that we don't have "HIGH EXPECTATIONS"..................the expectations seem to be exactly where they should be for a program that pays like that.
Even with the "issues" we've had the last couple years there's still no excuse to lose to a 5 loss South Carolina team on our home field..........get drubbed by a 4-loss ND team (that lost to Marshall & Stanford), and get beaten down by a Tennessee team missing it's 3 biggest offensive weapons.............EXPECTING to beat those teams is NOT considered "HIGH EXPECTATIONS"
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Game Changer [2037]
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I see both sides and get what McElroy is saying...
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Feb 9, 2023, 2:18 PM
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but Dabo doesn't say....hey fans, expect to go 15-0 this year and bank on it. In reality, the expectation is to be the best but sometimes you fall short,,,but so do 99.9% of all teams each season...if your goal is title or bust.
Dabo's message is, be thankful for Clemson football has a whole, be proud of 11 wins and ranked seasons and savor those mountain top moments bc they are very, very hard to come by. Entitlement for being at the top has set in place and we should all demand the best but understand that a loss or a few losses doesn't require someone's head being cut off.
And Dabo gets paid 9.5M bc the market for him dictates it. Not that it comes with a title or else clause, that's what he is worth and it'll only grow as the TV money does.
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Re: I see both sides and get what McElroy is saying...
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Feb 9, 2023, 2:34 PM
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Re: I don’t often agree with Greg McElroy, but in this case I do
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Feb 9, 2023, 2:50 PM
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The issue I have with Dabo's statement is that we play in the ACC and Clemson has the overwhelming talent advantage against everyone we play. The last 2 years have been tough to watch because we struggle against inferior teams.
It used to be the case that Clemson could go 11-1 or 12-0 against an SEC schedule because we truly were one of the top 2 teams in the country. That wasn't even close to being a reality the last 2 seasons. We finished last season ranked 13th. But we weren't the 13th best team in the country. We were just fortunate enough to play in the ACC.
Sure, winning 10+ games and an ACC title is good. But that should be the expectation given our talent advantage over the rest of the teams in our conference.
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Many folks, GM included, fail to see that Dabo delivered
Feb 9, 2023, 3:08 PM
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those remarks for their benefit, not his. If your joy and misery is wrapped up in scores of games, and you lose it when those don't go your way for a bit, while every other aspect of the program is operating according to the player-focused development that Dabo promised and has implemented from the very get go, doing things the right way, minimizing offers to target the right kind of young man to bring into the program and to the Clemson family, then yeah, many have lost perspective and would be better off in their lives taking a step back and revisiting those.
You can thank him later I guess.
Go Tigers!
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I’m not questioning his motives
Feb 9, 2023, 5:56 PM
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I’m just saying that when you make $9.5M there are somethings that just come across wrong.
I love him because he says what he thinks and believes, but this would have been a good time to keep his mouth shut
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Re: I’m not questioning his motives
Feb 11, 2023, 9:39 AM
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But by saying that you just questioned his performance,,,GM is a Clemson hater as is much of the ESPN staff of pro SEC thugs...for several years now we have made them look foolish...before the last Bama game they were proclaiming That BAMA team was the goat and we did not belong there...by the end of the 3rd qtr there was shock...Teenowl was out of words...little Mac was fit to be tied...all of the ESPN support staff is flagrantly pro SEC and were mystified...it was one of the funniest things I've seen on TV since Fred Sanford went to court! They can never like us because we've made fools of them too often..let's just support the Roy Bus!
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Sure. Like I said, I’m not questioning his motives for saying what he said
Feb 11, 2023, 12:19 PM
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But yeah - I think behind closed doors and amongst his staff/team he has expressed very clearly that the performance over the last 2 years does not meet the standard he has set for the program.
And his actions back that up by making the change at QB and telling DJ that he’d have a better chance starting at another school.
I think his point is that irrespective of the teams performance, we as fans should let that steal our joy or happiness. And I agree 100%.
I think he rambled around that point and as a consequence it looks like a guy making close to eight figures a year lecturing spoiled fans. I don’t think that was his motive or intention but you have to admit it came off that way.
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And his salary sure has gone up due to those expectations.
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Feb 9, 2023, 3:13 PM
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I hear him and agree we should enjoy the wins, etc, and I for one certainly don’t expect a natty or even playoff EVERY year, but if we shouldn’t expect that then his salary shouldn’t reflect it either.
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Take your public spanking like a man…
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Feb 9, 2023, 3:19 PM
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and move on.
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Re: I don’t often agree with Greg McElroy, but in this case I do
Feb 9, 2023, 3:45 PM
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Are you serious. If he was working for free people would #####.
The pay has nothing to do with it and it shouldnt.
I am sure people you work for believe they should be able to ##### about you or to you about certain items of your work no matter how much you make, right?
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Re: I don’t often agree with Greg McElroy, but in this case I do
Feb 9, 2023, 4:31 PM
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From my perspective, Dabo never disappoints.
Expecting final-4 or championships EVERY YEAR is foolish. These folks are just trolling for reactions.
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Clemson Conqueror [11352]
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Dabo's presence in Clemson is worth well over $10 million
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Feb 9, 2023, 4:47 PM
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per year to the Clemson economy alone - he's a bargain. His salary has nothing to do with whether or not he can have an opinion whether fans are spoiled.
I will say that after years of having to scrape together money to go to CPF games (oh, the horror!) - I took the Orange Bowl off this year. So, I guess I'm part of the problem...
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Re: Dabo's presence in Clemson is worth well over $10 million
Feb 9, 2023, 4:58 PM
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Yeah, for having an overall program budget barely in the top 25 of the land, Dabo is definitely carrying his weight and then some, even in these two 'down' years.
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Re: I don’t often agree with Greg McElroy, but in this case I do
Feb 10, 2023, 10:13 PM
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why do associate the fan base being spoiled with his salary? They don't have anything to do with one another... the fan base is spoiled.. and its fun but come back to earth...
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All-TigerNet [5706]
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Ok, let’s get real then - compensation and expectations are linked
Feb 11, 2023, 8:05 AM
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How’s that for coming back down to earth?
If a fanbase or more specifically IPTAY members are spoiled that means their expectations exceed the expectations they are entitled to.
Since IPTAY is covering 95% of his salary, then the question is legitimate
Now, I get the subtlety of Dabo’s comments and his main point is that no one should derive their happiness from winning or losing football games. And I agree completely with that.
But that doesn’t mean that expectations shouldn’t exist. So when you get paid $9.5M, it’s not advisable to suggest that the folks scrimping and saving to cobble that sum together are spoiled or have unreasonable expectations.
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