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OT - Private Schools vs Public Schools. My Opinion.
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Just came from the Providence Day vs. Northwestern game. NW did what they could, but my goodness Providence Day is stacked.
To me - if you basically have the ability to bring kids into your program "at will" then you should never play a school that is "restricted" to an area of a city or town!
I take that even further with the Stupid Maxpreps polls and PrepNation.com and USA Today prep polls being made up of private schools mostly.
St. Frances Academy played in a league with other private schools, but got so good - other schools basically refused to schedule them.
I do not mind in principle the concept of an: IMG, St. Thomas Aquinas, St. John Bosco, Mater Dei, Bishop Gormon, De La Salle, etc. I think they are great, and have a place in prep sports. But, they should only play other schools that have the same abilities.
**Need an RG at some of these schools; you simply raid the best local RGs players(bring in more than one in case the other doesn't work out). Need an RB b/c you lost one to FBS - same process - raid the local public schools. Then - some genius folk - are actually amazed when that stacked team plays the same school those players came from and wins! SMH at how someone thinks that's equitable or really even sport!
Note: this rant is from a South Pointe Stallions supporter! But, it's still frackle-nackle-bull! Now, my old man rant is over. **And, get off my lawn you kids, LOL!
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Re: OT - Private Schools vs Public Schools. My Opinion.
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Aug 19, 2023, 11:52 PM
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Tell Providence Day to head down to Georgia. There’s a long list of public schools that would beat them senseless.
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There’s plenty of SC teams who would handle them as well***
Aug 20, 2023, 2:11 AM
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Re: OT - Private Schools vs Public Schools. My Opinion.
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Aug 20, 2023, 7:24 AM
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Northwestern and Southpoint in most years are not easy pickings. Usually stacked. Rock Hill High has not been same since Southpoint came onboard.
Don’t be mistaken or naive though as these schools also do their fair share of recruiting.
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Yep. Ga puts the private schools in an even playing field. Any student out of district counts 3. You have a lot of A sized private schools playing in AAA.
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Re: OT - Private Schools vs Public Schools. My Opinion.
Aug 20, 2023, 11:11 AM
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Yep. Ga puts the private schools in an even playing field. Any student out of district counts 3. You have a lot of A sized private schools playing in AAA.
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Georgia H.S. Football isn't immune. See Below.
Aug 20, 2023, 12:41 PM
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And, this is from a program in Grayson who is said to openly "Invite" some of the best kids in Gwinett County to suit up for them.
#1 in Georgia and the country couldn't handle the assembly of talent.
What people miss is: even if you have talent - the private schools have "best fit for their system"! Grayson might be 3 -4 deep at RB but only have a 3-star kid at DT(bad example but stay with me here). That private school can go; for what we run who is the best in this area to fit it. Go have a conversation with the parents about "setting the kid up for the next level and doing it for the kid" which isn't a lie mind you. But, it's still on a higher level than what "MOST" public schools can do.
See below. Georgia H.S. football is great - maybe the best in the country. But, don't act like it's unbeatable.
My South Pointe Stallions in 2018 was paid something to the order of $5,000 to go play the Buford Wolves in Atlanta. Full of FBS offered OL. A RB committed to Michigan and one to Florida State and I believe all but 3 players on their defense had scholarship offers in hand when we kicked off.
The Stallions took the check and went down to Atlanta and beat the Wolves(who for most of last year was the #1 team in the entire country) and beat them.
http://www.scoreatl.com/stories/grayson-falls-to-img-in-battle-of-two-nationally-ranked-schools/![]() Grayson, the No. 1 ranked football team in Georgia, put the ball on the ground Saturday night and was no match for IMG Academy. The team from Bradenton (Fla.) filled ...
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Re: OT - Private Schools vs Public Schools. My Opinion.
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Aug 20, 2023, 12:48 AM
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De La Salle is in the town next to mine. This is a high school that costs $24K/year to attend. They recruit nationally and have a full recruiting staff...you're right, they shouldn't be playing schools with any kind of restrictions.
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Re: OT - Private Schools vs Public Schools. My Opinion.
Aug 20, 2023, 7:25 AM
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Seen this school on some ESPN shows. They are definitely on another level.
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Public schools can, and have recruited for awhile.
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Bobby Bentley had a few dozen step kids when he was at Byrnes. I know Wren’s old coach went to coach at Byrnes to learn how he did it, went back to Wren, recruited Kelly Bryant. They got upset in the playoffs with him, but won it with Joe Owens, who they recruited from Mauldin right after that.
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Re: OT - Private Schools vs Public Schools. My Opinion.
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Aug 20, 2023, 1:36 AM
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Do the public schools voluntarily play the private schools? If so there should be no problem as they know what they are willingly facing so there should not be a problem
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Aug 20, 2023, 1:53 AM
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The real danger is in these kids getting hurt by basically a team of college looking kids. I went to a 2a/3a SC school, we would have gotten killed, Woodruff high back in the day used to beat us senseless every year at all levels of Football…lol
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How old are you? There was a time
Aug 20, 2023, 10:47 AM
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Woodruff would beat almost anyone senseless.
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Legislature tried to do something about this. Had several bills that failed There is a law on the books that lets them do this. High School League is kind of powerless. Tried to make them all play in highest classification. Schools like Grays Academy and Oceanside can recruit but cap enrollment so they can play in 2A. Ask the folks in Abbeville how they feel about this
One of the best programs in the state but they usually end up facing Gray in playoffs. I think they should have to play in their own league but that will probably not happen
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Re: OT - Private Schools vs Public Schools. My Opinion.
Aug 20, 2023, 9:19 AM
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Abbeville does the same thing to an extent. They recruit the whole county of Abbeville, taking players from Dixie and Calhoun Falls.
I know you are talking about recruiting nationally but Abbeville and Woodruff (back in the day) ruled ruled their SC High School divisions by recruiting their county.
These new $25k attendance fee football powers have just taken it to a new level.
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Re: OT - Private Schools vs Public Schools. My Opinion.
Aug 21, 2023, 7:51 AM
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Abbeville County Board of Education website no longer list Calhoun Falls High School. I believe that school has turned into a charter school. Dixie High School is still listed. I can understand students from the Calhoun Falls area attending Abbeville HS.
I cracked up when I read that Abbeville was recruiting the county. Have you ever been there? Abbeville is struggling to have one updated high school building. They are currently using a state grant to do a remodel on Abbeville HS. I was surprised to see that the county is still able to maintain the building at Dixie. Don’t be surprised if, down the road, the Dixie building is closed.
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Re: OT - Private Schools vs Public Schools. My Opinion.
Aug 20, 2023, 12:21 PM
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Legislature tried to do something about this. Had several bills that failed There is a law on the books that lets them do this. High School League is kind of powerless. Tried to make them all play in highest classification. Schools like Grays Academy and Oceanside can recruit but cap enrollment so they can play in 2A. Ask the folks in Abbeville how they feel about this
One of the best programs in the state but they usually end up facing Gray in playoffs. I think they should have to play in their own league but that will probably not happen
I'm aware of that Abbeville situation and think it's terrible.
Abbeville is stuck with kids from around the way; Gray has metro Columbia to pull from.
Eventually, the legislation will pass. I think it will take something unfortunate; like someone getting hurt 1st though.
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Re: OT - Private Schools vs Public Schools. My Opinion.
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Aug 20, 2023, 7:18 AM
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Just came from the Providence Day vs. Northwestern game. NW did what they could, but my goodness Providence Day is stacked.
To me - if you basically have the ability to bring kids into your program "at will" then you should never play a school that is "restricted" to an area of a city or town!
I take that even further with the Stupid Maxpreps polls and PrepNation.com and USA Today prep polls being made up of private schools mostly.
St. Frances Academy played in a league with other private schools, but got so good - other schools basically refused to schedule them.
I do not mind in principle the concept of an: IMG, St. Thomas Aquinas, St. John Bosco, Mater Dei, Bishop Gormon, De La Salle, etc. I think they are great, and have a place in prep sports. But, they should only play other schools that have the same abilities.
**Need an RG at some of these schools; you simply raid the best local RGs players(bring in more than one in case the other doesn't work out). Need an RB b/c you lost one to FBS - same process - raid the local public schools. Then - some genius folk - are actually amazed when that stacked team plays the same school those players came from and wins! SMH at how someone thinks that's equitable or really even sport!
Note: this rant is from a South Pointe Stallions supporter! But, it's still frackle-nackle-bull! Now, my old man rant is over. **And, get off my lawn you kids, LOL!
-Good Night!
Charlotte Catholic is another one. The highly rated QB out of Catawba Ridge left and went to one of those schools.
Is Legion raiding RH, SP or Northwestern?
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Re: OT - Private Schools vs Public Schools. My Opinion.
Aug 20, 2023, 12:25 PM
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rhpltmeg® Jadyn Davis was the QB for Providence Day last night. After he transferred; I am told somewhere in the neighborhood of 15 to 20 kids from around Fort Mill and Charlotte who are FBS kids transferred with him.
No; they do not have any RH kids on PD. Legion may have gotten a couple of kids, but nothing substantial. People are still very entrenched with the public High Schools in Rock Hill still.
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i can't think of one superstar that came from
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Aug 20, 2023, 7:34 AM
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a program like that
every private school QB i've seen struggles against a collection of public school defensive players
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Re: i can't think of one superstar that came from
Aug 20, 2023, 8:07 AM
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Many of these “private” schools play in public school leagued
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Re: i can't think of one superstar that came from
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In Charlotte, there is a rule that public and private schools can’t play each other in any sport. Charlotte Catholic is the exception and they play in a public league. The only other exception are the basketball tournaments that happen around Christmas.
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Re: i can't think of one superstar that came from
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The guy I’m thinking about was Jadyn Davis. He left Catawba Ridge and went to Providence Day. He committed to Michigan last year I believe.
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Re: i can't think of one superstar that came from
Aug 20, 2023, 12:31 PM
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a program like that
every private school QB i've seen struggles against a collection of public school defensive players
Jadyn Davis was the Providence Day Quarterback last night. He was previously ranked the #1 Overall player for the class of 2024. He is currently somehow ranked 76th overall by 247 sports and is committed to Michigan. He played public school ball until this season.
Most of his teammates did to. Coming from Chambers, Mallard Creed, Olympic, Harden and Butler. 2 kids from Hough high in Huntersville.
Also, Will Griers father and renouned QB coach is the Head Coach now!
I know everyone is thinking Dutch Fork would go beat them. Keep in mind though: Dutch Fork and Northwestern played to a 14-14 tie albeit just one half of a exhibition game.
This years Providence Day team with the assembly of talent: "is different"!
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Re: OT - Private Schools vs Public Schools. My Opinion.
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Private schools are not all about FB etc...they are more into
education minus the BS. Only a very small amount of kids go
to private schools vs public. Private schools sometimes have
a fair number of good athletes.
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Re: OT - Private Schools vs Public Schools. My Opinion.
Aug 20, 2023, 10:24 AM
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My grandson plays football, baseball at Holy Trinity Middle School. 8th grade. There are 74 players on his team. They beat Weddington yesterday 21-18 on a field goal in overtime. With the NIL legal for high school players, get ready for it to go crazy. Schools recruiting him already.
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Re: OT - Private Schools vs Public Schools. My Opinion.
Aug 20, 2023, 10:50 AM
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Elite Private Schools. Often better academically and athletically. Money - it's a gas. Pink Floyd
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Re: OT - Private Schools vs Public Schools. My Opinion.
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I think that many of the kids that are really good on these private schools are on scholarship and do not pay a cent. I know that is the case at Christ School in Greenville when they used to have really good teams.
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Re: OT - Private Schools vs Public Schools. My Opinion.
Aug 20, 2023, 12:58 PM
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I think that many of the kids that are really good on these private schools are on scholarship and do not pay a cent. I know that is the case at Christ School in Greenville when they used to have really good teams.
Exactly!
Scholarship and often better coaching $$$$$. Which; I am not mad at, that's great in itsself. Especially if a kid maybe struggles academically is trying to get eligible or just become a better student. All for it.
They all just need to play each other though.
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Re: OT - Private Schools vs Public Schools. My Opinion.
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Ironically the conference that Providence Day belongs to has a no recruiting policy. Obviously, their coach, Chad Grier does not abide by that policy. He plucked Jadyn Davis from Catawba Ridge and go down the line with others on that team. They didn’t have that level of talent before he arrived.
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Re: OT - Private Schools vs Public Schools. My Opinion.
Aug 20, 2023, 4:56 PM
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Ironically the conference that Providence Day belongs to has a no recruiting policy. Obviously, their coach, Chad Grier does not abide by that policy. He plucked Jadyn Davis from Catawba Ridge and go down the line with others on that team. They didn’t have that level of talent before he arrived.
To be 100% transparent. Exactly, what you said here is something I know to be true 100%. I'll just say, "I know people close to the program in Charlotte and some close to programs that lost players to them"! When you can have an OL of future FBS players; and a QB once ranked #1 in the United States at QB; "you are going to beat most H.S. teams" including ones that are talented.
That FBS talent might be matched at let's say: 5 out of the 11 positions by a Northwestern or Mallard Creek or a Spartanburg or Ridgeview or a Gaffney. But, by the end of the game the difference in the other team having that level talen across the board will make all the difference.
As it pertains to PD - this is a fact, not speculation.
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In the Wolves Den!
Aug 20, 2023, 12:51 PM
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https://usatodayhss.com/2017/no-8-south-pointe-survives-buford-scare-to-improve-to-4-0 No. 8 South Pointe (S.C.) survives Buford scare to improve to 4-0 South Pointe (Rock Hill, S.C.) quarterback Derion Kendrick passed for two touchdowns and ran for two, including the winning score in a 33-27 win Friday at Buford, Ga. MORE: How the Super 25 fared Buford has won 11 state titles and was the 2016 AAAAA state runner-up. No.
That was the best ride home from Atlanta I have had!
Who, who, who, who they thought we was? still is clear after the game from the crowd of Stallions supporters.
But, for those special teams that can compete with private schools, you have to catch them on the right year and "yeah, they can get the business"! But, that's not most years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQnFkOeret4&t=5s
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Kendrick was one of the better athletes to come out of this area and there have been plenty that has came through District 3. Even had a Gamecock mention that Clemson was getting a really good one when he committed. I believe he could play QB, RB, WR or the DB position. Just an athlete in general.
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