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CU Medallion [58535]
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I'm convinced that at some point in the last 25 years,
Oct 9, 2022, 12:02 AM
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refs got together behind closed doors with the NCAA, and decided that the game was changing, fans' wanted a more wide open, exciting game, and keeping up with a bunch of new and changing rules was really hard, therefore said screw the rules, they would deemphasize holdng and pass interference, and gradually start turning a blind eye and letting those violations slide unless they were too egregious to be ignored. The result is a very different game, that is coached and taught very differently as a result.
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Totally agree. Years ago Lamar Jackson
Oct 9, 2022, 12:06 AM
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And Lewis ville played Houston with different refs. They called several holding calls early. It set the tone of the game. Lamar lost badly.
All they need to do is call one or two early. But then that might not make the game competitive.
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If they just called it, per rule, consistently as it happens
Oct 9, 2022, 12:11 AM
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players would quit doing it pretty quickly. problem is, we've got a whole generation of players who've been coached to hold and interfere their whole lives, and even coaches who only know to coach that way,
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sounds like basketball.***
Oct 9, 2022, 12:15 AM
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Yep, but with walking and carrying.***
Oct 9, 2022, 12:16 AM
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Re: I'm convinced that at some point in the last 25 years,
Oct 9, 2022, 8:22 AM
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I was thinking especially about all the contact that occurs between receivers and defenders, too. In my final analysis, though, I realized - with the ability of today’s receivers to catch the ball, combined with the qb’s ability to throw (place) the ball - dbs would have no chance, if they couldn’t ‘touch’ a receiver.
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CU Medallion [58535]
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Then either (A) Accept that as the natural evolution of the
Oct 9, 2022, 11:32 AM
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sport, and continue to enforce the rule, or (B) Re-write the rule to reflect that evolution by allowing all of the contact.
The WRONG thing is to intentionally ignore the rule, or intentionally enforce it sporadically and inconsistently, as they are doing now. It most definitely unfairly affects the outcomes of games as it is, and gives people who break the rules an advantage over players who follow the rules as they should. I don't understand why there is any resistance to correcting this, or why addressing this is the least bit controversial.
The rules of the game have to mean something, and have to be enforced fairly and consistently.
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Also, I should add, if "holding" was enforced consistently
Oct 9, 2022, 11:49 AM
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per rule, and QBs weren't given special protections, then QBs would not have nearly as much time to stand in the pocket and get comfortable knowing they won't get hit, which would significantly impact the downfield passing game you are talking about.
This all feeds into my point. I believe it is by design to make the game more "exciting" and hold fans/viewers attention, and make more profit for everybody involved. I don't think it's for the good of the game, and I think they should just come right out and say it, and either change the rules, or admit the rules and integrity of the game don't really matter, and the entertainment value is what really matters, like WWE professional rasslin'.
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Imo, holding and PI calls have become subjective.
Oct 9, 2022, 11:44 AM
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When you see a PI call which shouldn't have been made you know something's wrong with the ref calling it. Same with the holding call. It seems holding is acceptable unless it changes the outcome of the play such that someone who, the ref, believes could have reached the QB or other who had the ball.
Imo, any ref who can claim, "I didn't see the PI," will not throw the flag. The replays/reviews are not part of the game when it comes to either of those calls.
During my brief training to be officiate baseball games I was told, 'Don't go looking for trouble,' when discussing a player missing a base. So if I saw a player not touch a base I didn't say anything unless the baseman got the ball and tagged the missed base.
I will say this about PI and holding, more of those infractions happens than should in a fair game. BTW, 25 years of bad officiating is certainly possible. I'd also add that I do not watch baseball anymore because the game has been ruined by the fans getting so set on seeing homeruns rather than traditional baseball.
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CU Medallion [58535]
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This isn't tricky or complicated in any way. The rules
Oct 9, 2022, 11:56 AM
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matter, and insure the structure, integrity, and fairness of the sport. An official's job is to objectively enforce those rules. Period. That means observing the game and being alert for violations, and calling them when you see them, irrespective of outcome or opinion.
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Re: I'm convinced that at some point in the last 25 years,
Oct 9, 2022, 11:52 AM
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Ratings = Revenue. Higher scoring games get better ratings.
On the other side of the coin, The B12 plays defense optional football and when was the last time they won a natty??
I personally find it more exciting when we are on defense pounding QBs but that is not what the networks want.
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I agree that is what is happening, but I disagree with that
Oct 9, 2022, 12:09 PM
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mindset. I'm very well aware that it's $$$ that drives all of this. I'm not naive. I just disagree with it.
For me, the integrity of fair, structured athletic competition, i.e. the sport is more important than the entertainment aspect. As we lose sight of that, we are moving away from true sport, and toward a WWE clown show type of entertainment. I think that's a bad idea. I believe the sport itself, with all of those annoying, stupid rules, is plenty entertaining enough (it always was), and is better than a juiced up free-for-all with loud sound effects and lots of flashing lights to keep the interest of fans with super short attention spans.
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Re: I agree that is what is happening, but I disagree with that
Oct 9, 2022, 12:19 PM
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Unfortunately, it has been Sports Entertainment as opposed to just Sports for a while.
The legalization of Sports Gambling in many states also is scary because there is a lot of money to be made or lost.
I'm old school and if it were up to me, there would be no NIL, no transfer portal, and you play football to get a free education. Unfortunately companies like Disney tend to lack ethics and integrity.
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Novice Fans, like points/excitement, so
Oct 9, 2022, 12:15 PM
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Good callout.
I think it's because of marketing firms who want to pay good money to watch what they see as more exciting football games. Lots of offense and lots of points and they cut the check and advertise what they are selling.
Only hardcore football fans can watch a game that's let's say 10-7.
Which is why some of the D.P.I has gone up so much(keep the possession alive, thus more opportunity for points). And the extra emphasis on roughing the passer(no points w/o that starting QB).
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Re: Novice Fans, like points/excitement, so
Oct 9, 2022, 12:17 PM
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The goal of most marketing firms is to reach a greater audience. A greater audience watches a wide open track meet type game. It expands the eyes who they can advertise to beyond the hardcore football fan, in other words.
My variation of your theory OP.
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CU Medallion [58535]
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Spot on. I know I'm old, and old school, and I make no
Oct 9, 2022, 1:25 PM
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apologies for it, but some of the best, most exciting games I've ever seen were 7-0, or 10-7. If it's close at the end, and either team has a chance in the 4th quarter, it doesn't matter if it's 50-47, or 7-3. Both can be very entertaining and exciting - to me.
I love the athletic competition - the sport. I love pure, raw entertainment as well. Sure there can be plenty of overlap, and I'm all for it. There are some disticnt differences however - there are no rules when it comes to entertainment. It varies from person to person, and is predicated on pure pleasure, joy, and excitement. Sports can be all of that, but is based on competition, which requires fairness, which requires rules to insure fairness, which requires officials to enforce those rules. Without rules which are consistently enforced, there is no sport. If there is some kind of competition with no rules, you essentially have a violent free-for-all, a fight to death or surrender.
I love the entertainment aspect of college football. I love what has been done with Death Valley with the giant screen and the light show and music and the tremendous atmosphere and energy it creates. I think it's awesome. But when a DB grabs a WRs arm 2 full seconds before the ball gets there, or makes contact when he's not even looking back for the ball, do your job and throw a ### flag. When every offensive lineman is grabbing a handful of jersey on our defensive line on every play, don't pretend like you don't see it, and don't pretend like that's not holding, do your ### job and enforce the rule. The sport depends on it - the sport depends on you.
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