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MN govenor changes mind about hydroxychloroquine
Aug 17, 2020, 3:54 PM
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Re: MN govenor changes mind about hydroxychloroquine
Aug 17, 2020, 4:09 PM
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I also heard that if you rub pickle juice on a skin cancer lesion, it will eventually shrink it and you will go into remission.. it is a shame mainstream medical science is suppressing all of the miracle, life saving cures in the name of Big Pharma profits.
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Re: MN govenor changes mind about hydroxychloroquine
Aug 17, 2020, 4:32 PM
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Re: MN govenor changes mind about hydroxychloroquine
Aug 17, 2020, 4:50 PM
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let me know when ER doctors starting administering HCL over remdesivir.
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Re: MN govenor changes mind about hydroxychloroquine
Aug 17, 2020, 5:44 PM
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lets backtrack how we got here
Aug 17, 2020, 6:44 PM
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Beginning in March 2020, US President Donald Trump began promoting hydroxychloroquine to prevent or treat COVID-19, citing small numbers of anecdotal reports.[46] Trump stated in June that he was taking the drug as a preventive measure,[47] stimulating unprecedented worldwide demand and causing shortages of hydroxychloroquine for its prescribed purpose of preventing malaria.[46]
After issuing an emergency use authorization for physicians to use the drug to treat hospitalized people with severe COVID-19 infection, the US Food and Drug Administration withdrew the authorization in June after finding hydroxychloroquine was unlikely to be effective and had serious side effects.[48] During ensuing months, additional studies found the drug was not effective,[49] and in late July, Anthony Fauci stated, "We know that every single good study — and by good study I mean randomized controlled study in which the data are firm and believable — has shown that hydroxychloroquine is not effective in the treatment of COVID-19."[6]
[46] https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/03/insane-many-scientists-lament-trump-s-embrace-risky-malaria-drugs-coronavirus [47] https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/15/fda-revokes-emergency-use-of-hydroxychloroquine.html [49] https://www.recoverytrial.net/news/statement-from-the-chief-investigators-of-the-randomised-evaluation-of-covid-19-therapy-recovery-trial-on-hydroxychloroquine-5-june-2020-no-clinical-benefit-from-use-of-hydroxychloroquine-in-hospitalised-patients-with-covid-19Statement from the Chief Investigators of the Randomised Evaluation of COVid-19 thERapY (RECOVERY) Trial on hydroxychloroquine, 5 June 2020 [6] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53575964
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydroxychloroquine
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Re: lets backtrack how we got here
Aug 17, 2020, 7:02 PM
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what Balm doesn't tell you is that the revocation
Aug 18, 2020, 2:49 AM
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came on June 20 - 15 days after a study was released in the Lancet showing little effectiveness of HCQ. Remarkably, studies in South Korea and elsewhere in the US (one by the NIH and another at Novartis) were stopped on June 20th as well. Oh, yes, The WHO declared removed support for HCQ on the same day.
Several days later the Lancet study was withdrawn citing bad data accumulation. Specifically the study by the lancet noted over 25% Death rate for patients on HCQ and only 24% Death rate for those on placebo. Several News outlets trumpeted the fact that "HCQ made it worse!"
Then people noticed that the Death rates were incredibly high - meaning they were testing populations with only severe illness, not lower levels of illness.
Then.... in looking at the data, they began to focus on the words "showing serious side effects". The study was referencing that several patients had been noted with heart and vascular issues.
WHAT was then realized was that it was the Covid-19 that caused the vascular issues and NOT HCQ.
SO they pulled the study that started all the shutdowns of other studies that unbelievably happened all around the World on one day AND with WHO and Fauci's NIH support.
LOFL - Fauci is a GD criminal.
Here's what everyone should be reading. Note the detail theories and the importance of the use of Zinc, which no study to date in the US has checked. Other studies recently were stopped - not because of ineffectiveness, but because they couldn't get enough patients.
https://heraclitusoncovid19.com/therapies-for-sars-cov-2-pneumonia/
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no, truly the sad one is you - I knew "doctors" were
Aug 18, 2020, 7:27 AM
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arrogant, but you are pubescent at best.
I personally have no stake in HCQ. None. I personally don't think Trump should have ever mentioned it. It isn't his bag of tea by a long shot. Even if HCQ turns out to be worthwhile, it does nothing for Trump - or at least shouldn't - because again to any reasonable person it would not reflect on Trump's personal or professional knowledge in any way. And I have certainly never suggested otherwise in any of my posts. Only your judgmental dumb*ss has made that connection.
My ire is and has been with Fauci, the NIH, and CDC, who all have f*cked this country over by not being prepared in the manner that South Korea and Taiwan were. So go f*ck yourself with your sophomoric innuendos. Not every Fauci hater is a Trump fan, nor someone who voted for Trump, nor even someone who thinks Government should be involved with Medicine at all.
I personally have no medical knowledge either way. I personally don't care what works, I just wish we could find something that does work instead of going to a vaccine. IF I have any feelings at all about this disease, I would personally like to have natural immunity accrue to everybody as opposed some vaccine shoved upon us. That has nothing to do with HCQ at all - or Trump or F*cking Biden either for that matter.
You know nothing about me, but you can go to f*cking #### if you think I'm going to let you blithely and arrogantly disparage me or anyone else just because you're a f*cking arrogant turd. My suggestion then is to stop making connections that your lack of reading skill can't cash pumpkin.
As to the readings I provided and the dates, they are what they are. You cannot argue them because they are facts. Further you can't argue that the Lancet study is laying on its ###. You can argue about the efficacy of HCQ as much as you want with those who print otherwise than you, but you can't argue that the Doctors who wrote the Heraclitus articles disagree with you, and that they're likely just as well read. And the simple fact is they disagree - with you and Fauci. And you can trot your NIH study out as long as you want, but the self-interest of Fuaci and other NIH doctors in a vaccine is becoming apparent every day. Turns out there are at least 4 Doctors from the NIH on the patent for one of the Vaccines being tested.
As to your Trump Derangement Syndrome - keep it to yourself. There's enough people on here with Daddy problems already.
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Re: no, truly the sad one is you - I knew "doctors" were
Aug 18, 2020, 7:31 AM
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Sad. Please just promise me you’ll get vaccinated when it’s available.
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please promise me you'll get a vasectomy***
Aug 18, 2020, 7:32 AM
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Re: please promise me you'll get a vasectomy***
Aug 18, 2020, 7:43 AM
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Good plan, then I can raw dog your mom like she’s been begging me to do.
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oh lol, no you didn't go to the 3rd grade taunt
Aug 18, 2020, 7:46 AM
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favored by all up and coming know nothings. lol - that's just pitiful.
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Shhh. We don't want CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS to hear!***
Aug 17, 2020, 4:09 PM
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That article is remarkably shittily written.
Aug 17, 2020, 4:12 PM
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I guess that's why it's "powered by Microsoft News" and not actually Microsoft News.
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Re: That article is remarkably shittily written.
Aug 17, 2020, 4:21 PM
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I thought I was attacking the substance.
Aug 17, 2020, 4:41 PM
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It's terribly written and shouldn't pass for journalism. It's an opinion piece pretending to report news. It actually uses a twitter post as a source and says this change was "rightfully praised by local health care advocates." Rightfully lol.
The tweet is the lynchpin of what can charitably be called an article. It's a screenshot of an executive order written by the Secretary of State of Minnesota. If you were to read the executive order, which rescinds previous executive orders, you wouldn't really know what you're looking at and you have to take RCP's word that they're related to hydroxycholorquine because the EO says nothing about it.
So what you have is an "article" linking to a tweet posting a screenshot of an indecipherable executive order in Minnesota. I mean, I guess for me the jury's still out.
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Rock Defender [54]
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Here’s the actual Executive Order
Aug 17, 2020, 5:09 PM
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Yup, I found it.
Aug 17, 2020, 5:20 PM
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Funny that the "journalist" didn't use a link to the actual source. I guess he knows his audience.
"Although the modification of licensure requirements remains necessary during the pandemic, we no longer need to limit the use of chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine because these medicines have not been proven to be effective treatments for COVID-19 and are no longer in high demand."
So did the governor "change his mind on hydroxychloroquine"? Uh, no. And it's consistent with what people were saying from the jump: Trump's stupid, uninformed comments could divert medicine from people who need it to people who don't. Since the demand for hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID is virtually zero, the governor rescinded the order.
Fascinating.
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I didn’t
Aug 17, 2020, 5:39 PM
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Re: I didn’t
Aug 17, 2020, 5:47 PM
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Re: I didn’t
Aug 17, 2020, 5:50 PM
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Re: Oh, don't thumb me down you asspounder.***
Aug 17, 2020, 5:56 PM
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Remember, T3 gives out lots of TDs because the people deserve it and had it coming.
But if you ever TD him, he'll report it.
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I’m saving them now for you***
Aug 17, 2020, 6:05 PM
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Re: I’m saving them now for you***
Aug 17, 2020, 6:18 PM
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1. Don't care. 2. I rake in too many TUs. 3. My pulse is invincible.
Have at it. You're one of the most fun people to get riled up, so they just tell me I'm getting to you.
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Once again
Aug 17, 2020, 6:23 PM
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How much ### do you pound weekly?***
Aug 17, 2020, 6:58 PM
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Re: How much ### do you pound weekly?***
Aug 17, 2020, 7:07 PM
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Probably not...
Aug 17, 2020, 7:12 PM
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But if you're still upset, I can think of more.
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Re: I thought I was attacking the substance.
Aug 17, 2020, 5:58 PM
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The article exhibits poor writing in general, from a journalistic standpoint. Lots of style errors and loaded with passive voice.
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Re: I thought I was attacking the substance.
Aug 17, 2020, 6:15 PM
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I'm just here...
Aug 17, 2020, 6:22 PM
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To wow people like you, sweetheart.
I suppose he does have to dumb down his writing, considering the audience.
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Let me help you out
Aug 17, 2020, 6:36 PM
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That's the same article.***
Aug 17, 2020, 6:58 PM
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Re: That's the same article.***
Aug 17, 2020, 7:04 PM
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We already knew his name.
Aug 17, 2020, 7:11 PM
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The byline was in the first article you posted. He's the FEE dude. Like I said, writing down to assist his audience.
Do we need to put your credentials up against the author of every news article that you #### and moan about? Is that the response next time you whine about NY Times or WaPo? That the other person is getting millions of views?
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Re: We already knew his name.
Aug 17, 2020, 7:43 PM
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Re: We already knew his name.
Aug 17, 2020, 7:49 PM
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T3: "I am the best and anyone I link is better than you and if you TD me, I'll go to the admins so much they'll actually think I'm a kid!"
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lol you’ve totally lost it now.
Aug 17, 2020, 7:51 PM
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typical placebo effect is around 15%
Aug 17, 2020, 8:04 PM
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and i do not see any mention of this being a double blind study, just a retroactive review of 2400 patient outcomes at a hospital in Turkey. Show an example of a double blind study not conducted by a 3rd world country that replicates these results, and I will be very hopeful about the drug.
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Re: typical placebo effect is around 15%
Aug 17, 2020, 8:13 PM
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Re: typical placebo effect is around 15%
Aug 17, 2020, 8:33 PM
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There was a time when observation was science.
Aug 18, 2020, 7:53 AM
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Back in the day when Fauci focused his life on curing aids he said giving patients a placebo was immoral and would cause a lot of good people to die.
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it's time they split this Country in two - there's no common
Aug 18, 2020, 8:11 AM
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ground with these political apes. They look up to the Snake in the Garden because of his "talent" for deception, and think they've done something noteworthy. No Integrity, no Honor, no Equanimity; there's nothing left in them of the America that the rest of the world looks up to.
They don't belong here.
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I'm not arguing about it anymore.
Aug 17, 2020, 10:28 PM
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If I get the woohooflu it's HCQ, zink and Z-pak is going to be my first demand.
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Early....***
Aug 18, 2020, 1:50 AM
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Re: Early....***
Aug 18, 2020, 7:19 AM
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Early is the key. Before inflammation becomes overwhelming.
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