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How does Clemson miss every QB in a class?
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We were well on our way to being QBU before Big Cinco stalled out. Cade will be great I know it, but missing on all these QBs shows Riley needs to prove something. I don’t really blame those QB prospects on second thought. Maybe Noland or someone could flip when signing day comes at end of season, but there’s some work to be done.
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Re: How does Clemson miss every QB in a class?
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Don't feed the troll.***
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Re: How does Clemson miss every QB in a class?
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Apr 11, 2023, 1:44 AM
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The elite schools have multiple highly rated guys also. It’s really the NIL disadvantage for us.
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Re: How does Clemson miss every QB in a class?
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Apr 11, 2023, 10:49 AM
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We have multiple highly rated guys to lmfao some of y’all are insane
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Exactly. Even funnier was when he suggested it was NIL.
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Apr 12, 2023, 4:20 AM
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What a bizarre take.
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Re: How does Clemson miss every QB in a class?
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Apr 11, 2023, 11:20 AM
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See, I don't buy that. Alabama has 2 5 Stars and 2 4 Stars. UGA has a 5 Star and 4 very highly rated 4 Stars. Ohio State has a 5 Star and 2 highly rated 4 Stars. Texas has Quinn Ewers and Arch Manning, as well as proven 4 Star Hudson Card and Maalik Murphy (who I thought was the most athletic QB in Cade's class). All but Texas have signed a blue chip QB for 2024 (and Texas is still in the hunt). Alabama signed a 5 Star in Julian Sayin and lead for another 5 Star in Elijah Brown.
The idea that QBs are not choosing Clemson because of Cade and Vizzina is ridiculous and shows they're not familiar with football players. An elite athlete views themselves as the best at their position. They think they can come in and take that position. I think Cade will be great. But he's not a Trevor Lawrence-like figure right now. Vizzina was a very shaky 5 Star.
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What are you scared of?
Apr 11, 2023, 8:20 PM
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If the QB talents in the locker room scare off rookies in any way that's a good thing, next year would be a concern but this opens weapon recruitment.
Jeez drink another Bojangles hard tea
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Re: What are you scared of?
Apr 11, 2023, 9:14 PM
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Did you read any of what he said? Basically every elite program has more than 3 highly rated QBs and they still draw commits. Besides we recruit weapon players at the same time as QBs. QB is only one position, it’s never the only thing we pursuit anyways.
We didn’t scare anyone off, they just chose elsewhere. Not that they won’t regret it, like Walker White’s ####### going to Freeze.
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What are you scared of?
Apr 11, 2023, 8:20 PM
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If the QB talents in the locker room scare off rookies in any way that's a good thing, next year would be a concern but this opens weapon recruitment.
Jeez drink another Bojangles hard tea
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Re: How does Clemson miss every QB in a class?
Apr 11, 2023, 8:52 PM
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Let's see who's still on the same roster at the end of the year. One team having 4-5 highly rated players at the qb position means that 3 will be gone soon. We had 5 highly rated qbs a few years ago, 4 left.
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Re: How does Clemson miss every QB in a class?
Apr 12, 2023, 9:23 AM
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That's definitely true. I'd be shocked if those teams kept those QBs, since once they get to school they see how they really stack up. My point was more that those teams DO have those players right now, and are still signing blue chip QBs, because an elite QB thinks they're going to easily snag the starting position. If I were a 5 Star QB and my choice was competing against Cade/Vizzina or Ewers/Manning/Card/Nelson, I know which one I'm choosing.
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Re: How does Clemson miss every QB in a class?
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Apr 11, 2023, 9:08 PM
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You seriously using UGA as an example. None of their highly rated QBs have worked out over the years. Their best QB of all time was a freaking walk on. QB is not a positing that stacking talent helps when you can just transfer any time you want.
So you already dissing CV right after he’s signed? Hasn’t even gotten a chance to prove himself. SMH.
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Re: How does Clemson miss every QB in a class?
Apr 12, 2023, 9:20 AM
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Not sure what you're talking about. Georgia hasn't signed that many highly rated QBs until recently. Jake Fromm was their first 5 Star since Matthew Stafford. Both Stafford and Fromm did pretty well. They're just now really moving to a passing team from the power run game they've had, so are signing more 5 Stars. And not sure that's an insult to Bennett (who was an amazing QB, no matter how much people want to hate him). One of our best receivers (and we were WRU) was a walk on.
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the difference is…
Apr 12, 2023, 1:15 AM
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The highly rated QB recruits have watched how Dabo manages his QB’s and Clemson is not the school you want to be at behind two other top guys, even if you think you are better. None of those other schools you listed would have left DJ in all year with Cade sitting on the bench. If they come here they are not likely becoming the statues for three years minimum. What is the difference between getting a top QB and then transferring in a year and not signing one at all? Because no 5 star is sitting the bench for 3 years in todays world.
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That's a load of bullcrap right there.
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Apr 12, 2023, 4:24 AM
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There were obvious reasons DJ started and TP didn't in 2021, and there were obvious reasons DJ started and CK didn't in 2022.
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Re: How does Clemson miss every QB in a class?
Apr 11, 2023, 8:54 PM
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I don’t really understand how you’ve got trophies for this but okay.
Yeah the QB depth we have has never affected guys from committing. And it doesn’t anywhere when you’re talking about top-10 QBs in their class. They are good enough to compete for starting job anywhere, and they know it because they’re ranked so highly and know their own abilities.
Plus, you don’t know how Cade and potentially Vizzina will do, you can just guess.
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Re: How does Clemson miss every QB in a class?
Apr 11, 2023, 10:32 PM
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I've wondered how we've handled this as long as we have. We've had, in paper at least, some incredible talent riding the pine for an extended period. Were I in the shoes of some of those kids I'd be looking for some pt and development. So, with this, I agree, as to this year, but I also agree we have to prove ourselves again before pulling in similar talent.
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Re: How does Clemson miss every QB in a class?
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Apr 11, 2023, 12:41 AM
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They actually haven’t.. Klub, V…sure, in hindsight, we shouldn’t have started DJ at all last year and would have likely been in the playoffs, but only some of us saw it coming.
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When Qb’s are looking to get paid NIL
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Apr 11, 2023, 1:02 AM
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We already have two great QB’s vying for the spot. They want to make immediate money, it’s changed recruiting forever.
We are ok, if we had to get an emergency QB later we are in good hands with the transfers and the NIL.
My guess is we will recruit a great one for 25 or 26.
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Re: How does Clemson miss every QB in a class?
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Apr 11, 2023, 3:10 AM
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Have we ever had 3 5☆ QBs from consecutive classes or some combo of a high 4☆ & 5☆(s) on the 85 man?
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Re: How does Clemson miss every QB in a class?
Apr 11, 2023, 11:35 AM
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Hunter Johnson, Tervor Lawrence, Taisun were in three straight classes. Two might have been misses but two five stars and a 4 in consecutive classes.
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How does ohio state have so many qbs transfer ?
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Re: How does ohio state have so many qbs transfer ?
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they transfer in and out of there all the time
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Re: How does Clemson miss every QB in a class?
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Apr 11, 2023, 7:05 AM
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Don't look a gift horse in the mouth...
We have been tremendously successful with QB recruiting since Dabo has been here. I do not see that changing any time soon.
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Re: How does Clemson miss every QB in a class?
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Apr 11, 2023, 7:10 AM
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The offense we put out there the last few years. Even when we had TL and TE their last year we had suspect play calling at best.
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UGA had the same issue with their 23 class.......
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Apr 11, 2023, 7:56 AM
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had 3 highly rated QBs, 2 of them FR or RS FR, really no place to play for an incoming QB unless you are Arch Manning who did not choose to go to UGA. That plus the fact that Moncken, their OC, was rumored to be going to the NFL, which he did. We have similar issues, very good, young QBs who will be tough to beat out and an OC who more than likely will be gone in a year or two either way.
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Re: UGA had the same issue with their 23 class.......
Apr 11, 2023, 11:24 AM
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The jury is still out on our new OC. The proof's in the puddin...
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Clemson QBs are top 3 nationally ranked players
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Apr 11, 2023, 8:19 AM
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There are 0 in this class except for Dylan Railoa . and he is likely a Georgia Bulldog
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Re: Clemson QBs are top 3 nationally ranked players
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Apr 11, 2023, 11:21 AM
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Who is? I've been all about Cade since he was a junior in high school, but he was #6 at the highest. Vizzina was a 4 Star: #103 on 247; #92 on Rivals; and 42 on ESPN.
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Re: Clemson QBs are top 3 nationally ranked players
Apr 11, 2023, 11:26 AM
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A little exaggeration there, still pretty dog-gone good.
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I'm not a CV is a 5 star Tnetter
Apr 11, 2023, 12:15 PM
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I use Rivals. I don't prefer 247 Sports rankings.
Cade Klubnik did skyrocket. That's because he was already very high on the rankings early in HS.
See below for the Clemson QBs that I was referring to.
Clemson before and after Deshaun Watson is very different. The standard was elevated .
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Re: Clemson QBs are top 3 nationally ranked players
Apr 11, 2023, 9:08 PM
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Right but it’s like you’re implying Dabo didn’t try to get any of them because none were top-3.
We still tried, but we missed on all of the ones we tried for. That’s the concern.
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must be the
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speed bumps they added to 93.
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Re: How does Clemson miss every QB in a class?
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Apr 11, 2023, 8:38 AM
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It appears to me, you may have a concern over Air Noland committing to O31-0 State and I ask why? Explain exactly what Noland would have added to Clemson's QB room above and beyond what's there now?
What's more important for 2024 a third, 4 or 5 star QB to ride the pine or a quality WR, OL, LB, DT or DB that can make an immediate impact?
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Re: How does Clemson miss every QB in a class?
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Apr 11, 2023, 9:09 AM
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Why dont you blame them.
We got5 stars in back to back classes.
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Re: How does Clemson miss every QB in a class?
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Apr 11, 2023, 11:30 AM
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I don’t blame because of understanding why they’d want to see Riley’s new offense being good before coming to play for him.
If Clemson goes out and lays an egg all season, we’re in real trouble.
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Re: How does Clemson miss every QB in a class?
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Apr 11, 2023, 9:33 AM
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Because other teams can now whisper in their ear that we took a 5 star guy and ruined him. Might not be fair or accurate but its happening for sure. A season of Cade playing great will negate that argument.
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We offer top QBs when we are pretty well set, hoping
Apr 11, 2023, 10:47 AM
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… hoping that a guy will show up with the skill and confidence to come in and compete with the top QBs Clemson already has on campus.
Offering and losing out on QBs is a great indicator that this year’s crop has neither the confidence nor the skill needed to compete.
If we signed one of these guys who lack the necessary traits, he would be in the portal in no time.
Still, we need to offer the projected “best” QBs in each and every recruiting class just to make sure we’re not missing out on the next Trevor Lawrence.
There are no Trevor Lawrence’s this year.
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Re: How does Clemson miss every QB in a class?
Apr 11, 2023, 10:49 AM
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Doesn’t take a rocket scientist, it’s Cades job for minimum two years and from everything I’ve seen Vizzina is the real deal. What too QB prospect wants to come into a QB room like that??
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Re: How does Clemson miss every QB in a class?
Apr 11, 2023, 11:27 AM
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I think Cade is absolutely amazing. But for Vizzina, what have you seen? There are things to like. He does seem to have speed (depending on how fast his competition is) and has a very pretty release. I honestly want someone to show me as I'm confused about why everyone thinks he's this unbeatable force. He skipped most camps. Came in #14 at the Elite 11. His career stats looked like one season for DW, TL, DJU, or Cade. His junior year, he threw for 2,000 yards with 16 touchdowns and 9 picks and senior, for 1,800 with 16 touchdowns and 7 picks. At 64% completions, he's one of our least accurate QBs in the Dabo era. He had a bad team, but he also played against much lower competition. But for people saying he's scaring away these 5 Stars, I just don't see it.
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well, it's not like South Carolina didn't miss every QB
Apr 11, 2023, 12:28 PM
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for 113 years.
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Re: well, it's not like South Carolina didn't miss every QB
Apr 12, 2023, 6:24 AM
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They had 2 that were pretty darn good: Tommy Suggs & Conner Shaw who never lost to us. They had some that were highly recruited but didn't pan out too: Stephen Garcia, Ryan Helinski, and Todd Ellis (wasn't as good as his billing).
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Re: How does Clemson miss every QB in a class?
Apr 11, 2023, 8:27 PM
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It’s a good question but everyone better hope Klubnik and Vizzina are as good as everyone thinks. I promise you Clemson always wants to out recruit whoever is already on campus, the staff isn’t feeding into the “we have highly rated guys on campus” line that some of these ppl keep saying
It’s a good question. Clemson’s offense has been really bad the last couple seasons. Clemson doesn’t have a lot of good options at receiver right now either. Hopefully we can get some elite receivers this class, hope that some receivers and a QB shines this year and get Clemson back to not just being a finalist for these guys and actually get them on campus
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Re: How does Clemson miss every QB in a class?
Apr 11, 2023, 9:33 PM
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^^^^^
This is something I hoped to get across. Y’all act as if Cade has won a national championship already. Who knows how he or Vizzina performs. Also correct about having QB depth while recruiting more QBs. Depth didn’t affect others like Bama this recruiting class with QBs.
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Re: How does Clemson miss every QB in a class?
Apr 11, 2023, 9:36 PM
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Coaches never have the mindset that we already have a guy better on campus. That’s how you go through down years. Realistically you miss on guys as we’ve seen at multiple positions. You always want to put recruit your roster
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Re: How does Clemson miss every QB in a class?
Apr 11, 2023, 8:28 PM
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It’s a good question but everyone better hope Klubnik and Vizzina are as good as everyone thinks. I promise you Clemson always wants to out recruit whoever is already on campus, the staff isn’t feeding into the “we have highly rated guys on campus” line that some of these ppl keep saying
It’s a good question. Clemson’s offense has been really bad the last couple seasons. Clemson doesn’t have a lot of good options at receiver right now either. Hopefully we can get some elite receivers this class, hope that some receivers and a QB shines this year and get Clemson back to not just being a finalist for these guys and actually get them on campus
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Re: How does Clemson miss every QB in a class?
Apr 11, 2023, 8:45 PM
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It’s really simple.....NIL!! It’s the reason we lost Lagway, and Davis as well. Other programs lead with NIL, but one coach has vehemently stated we will never lead with NIL. High character recruits also love $$$$, as do their parents.
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Re: How does Clemson miss every QB in a class?
Apr 11, 2023, 9:03 PM
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Are you joking? So you expect us to sign a top flight QB in every class? We just signed a Vizzina in the 23 class. I expect us to ditch this class and go after the 2024 class.
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Re: How does Clemson miss every QB in a class?
Apr 11, 2023, 9:25 PM
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Vizzina wasn’t Clemson’s first offer at QB in his class. I think Vizzina is a baller but this isn’t the reason that QB’s aren’t coming here
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