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Devotee [305]
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To you Jack supporters who think he was mistreated .....
Jun 5, 2015, 5:41 PM
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It's actually very simple. Last year Jack was told he had to meet certain expectations. He failed to do that. DRad offered him an opportunity to remain HC, but required Jack make staff changes. Jack refused. There is a word for that, it's called "insubordination".
When you are already on probation, which Jack was, you do not get to dictate terms and you certainly do not have the right to be insubordinate. Ask yourself this, what would happen to you at work if you were on probation and during your next performance review your boss said that you have to do X, Y, & Z to keep your job and you said "No". The overwhelming majority of people would be told "I'm sorry you feel that way, but you leave me no choice. You're fired". They would then be given a box and escorted to their desk by security and watched as they clean out their desk then immediately get escorted out the building.
Jack had options, he refused, he was fired. It's really very simple. This is what happened to Ford. Ford had an agenda, the validity of which doesn't matter. He was told to zip it and he thumbed his nose at Lennon & BR and they said "Cya!".
Insubordination is not acceptable. Insubordination gets you fired. Insubordination in the military gets you sent to prison.
Jack made his bed, now he gets to sleep in it. Jack has no one to blame but Jack.
As far as DRad, um no, the program did not plateau. That was 2006. This is called bottoming out.
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Speaking of bottoming out.....
Jun 5, 2015, 5:43 PM
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how many handles are you up to now???
Double figures???
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Re: To you Jack supporters who think he was mistreated .....
Jun 5, 2015, 5:46 PM
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Surely there is some titan of industry you could be stalking right now.
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That is the nuts and bolts of it...
Jun 5, 2015, 5:57 PM
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You are exactly right at the end of the day. Even Jack supporters, if logical, have to agree with the terms D rad set last year for this year. Jack made no changes, worse results occurred and as a result he was fired. There really is no kind of liberal view to take. It is cut and dry.
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Re: That is the nuts and bolts of it...
Jun 5, 2015, 6:02 PM
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Wrong thread maybe?
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I sure as he!! hope baseball isn't going through what FB did
Jun 5, 2015, 6:08 PM
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and by the way there is no similarity between the two. You must be privy to some info that the rest of us did not have access. I have not seen where JL was given any options this week which would have let him remain HC of baseball at CU. I hope it will be best for all concerned, but I am not sure you have the story exactly right, but we all have our opinions.
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Re: I sure as he!! hope baseball isn't going through what FB did
Jun 5, 2015, 6:10 PM
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TCI reported it but DRad's comments today's are either not true or completely contradict the account.
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Re: I sure as he!! hope baseball isn't going through what FB did
Jun 5, 2015, 6:25 PM
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I'm too the point where I would trust some random poster on FGF before TCI
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It has been well documented ......
Jun 5, 2015, 6:50 PM
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he made staff changes. Clearly you aren't paying attention.
http://www.greenvilleonline.com/story/sports/college/clemson/2015/06/04/jack-leggett-fired-clemson-baseball/28472035/
According to Clemson director of athletics Dan Radakovich, even after an unsatisfactory finish to this season, even after an evaluation meeting earlier this week that encouraged change, Leggett remained unwaveringly committed to that course.
"That's the head coach's prerogative," Radakovich said Thursday, although he decided the program needed to be steered in a different direction.
He relieved Leggett of his duties as head coach.
From David Hood here on TNET ....
http://www.tigernet.com/story/baseball/Radakovich-Clemson-baseball-plateaued-compete-championships-13789
Earlier reports hinted that Leggett refused to make changes to his staff – many feel pitching coach Dan Pepicelli was in danger of losing his job – and Radakovich was forced to make the move to dismiss Leggett. Radakovich didn’t confirm that move but did hint at it.
“We have an end of the year evaluation of our coaches. I do that. We have feedback from the coach,” he said. “After we had that conversation earlier in the week and kind of looking at things, he wanted to stay the course. That’s the head coach’s prerogative. I made the decision at that point and time to change direction.”
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Re: Preach it Bro.***
Jun 5, 2015, 6:24 PM
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Re: To you Jack supporters who think he was mistreated .....
Jun 5, 2015, 6:39 PM
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For once I agree
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Re: To you Jack supporters who think he was mistreated .....
Jun 5, 2015, 6:51 PM
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Where does the mistreated come from? Only Jack can answer
that question,it's all academic now.As the song goes,we
will survive.
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Jack supporters are saying DRad was unfair and didn't treat
Jun 5, 2015, 6:55 PM
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Jack with the respect he deserved. Sadly Jack called DRad's bluff and DRad had no choice. Insubordination can not be tolerated and coaches are not bigger than the school or program.
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Re: Jack supporters are saying DRad was unfair and didn't treat
Jun 5, 2015, 7:08 PM
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The only issue is this: We have been behind the 8 ball with baseball for years. I can tell you for a fact it has affected recruiting, it has affected a lot more as well. Leggett has been pushing for Clemson to upgrade, not just in facilities, but with scholarships, etc. that has impeded the progress and brought our program to being just a "good" program instead of a great program.
The administration cannot tie the hands of a coach and then blame him for not producing. The reality is that we have lost players because we are behind on the scholarship offers where kids are getting more money from other schools via the "endowment" funds or whatever the term is they are using.
When other schools are being able to have 20 scholarships to divide between 25 players and we only have 10 scholarship to divide between 25 players, guess what? You aren't going to get certain kids to come. If you look at the last several years, and this information came straight from the best pitcher we have ever had at Clemson in my opinion, we are only having 1 quality starter, whereas in years past we had 3 strong starters and sometimes 4 and great relievers, to having just one really good starter and we hope for the best from the rest of the guys. Why? because those other great pitchers are going other places.
I just think it is a little disingenuous to put it all on the coach when you are not keeping up with the Joneses in the modern world of college athletics.
It doesn't matter WHO you bring in as coach if you are not going to address these other issues. And some of the coaches that we want to look at and that we think would want to come, isn't going to come when they are at schools that are ahead of the curve with college baseball as it relates to the above aforementioned issues.
We have relied on our past glory days of baseball thinking it was enough. But just as we saw in football, we were 20 years behind for a long time. Tommy Bowden started the turn around, and Dabo has knocked the wall down and now we can compete with anyone for almost any player.
Until that is done with baseball, it doesn't matter who comes as the next head coach.
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Go read articles in Baseball America. We have plenty of
Jun 5, 2015, 7:21 PM
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talent. Jack failed to coach that talent to wins. We have atrocious fundamentals. Jack was 0-4 in Omaha in games to put us in the CWS final.
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Re: Go read articles in Baseball America. We have plenty of
Jun 5, 2015, 7:58 PM
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Ya'll need to stop. Viztiz is going to hemorrhage somewhere if you don't say kind things. Don't tell the truth, just say kind things.
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Re: Go read articles in Baseball America. We have plenty of
Jun 5, 2015, 9:46 PM
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Why would I talk to Baseball America? I can tell you that I have talked to some of the players who were here when Clemson was at its highest peak with Leggett and they will tell you the playing field is not level and that we are behind in many areas and that has impacted Clemson baseball and has put us behind, way behind a lot of other schools across the country and many in our own conference.
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Re: Go read articles in Baseball America. We have plenty of
Jun 6, 2015, 1:55 PM
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What is it that some of you dont get. If you support Clemson, you support the players AND the coaches. Not our place to hire/fire. Entitlement seems to be a common thread amongst young people and disgruntled "fans".
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Re: Jack supporters are saying DRad was unfair and didn't treat
Jun 5, 2015, 10:29 PM
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I will agree that we have needed to upgrade a lot with our program. But I am tired of the scholarship argument. PC, Wofford, Coastal, CoC. Mid-week games have killed us recently and they do not have a massive endowment to draw from. So stop that bs. What they did have was pretty darn solid fundamentals and nine innings of pitching and timely hitting.
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Re: The dead horse kicks Lowcountry
Jun 5, 2015, 8:08 PM
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this guy nails it!
Jun 5, 2015, 9:56 PM
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N/m
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sorry, I meant THIS guy nailed it!
Jun 5, 2015, 9:58 PM
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N/m
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Re: To you Jack supporters who think he was mistreated .....
Jun 6, 2015, 8:16 AM
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At my most recent company, they would fire you, but would escort you out. They would pack up your desk and send your personal items to you. You could not return to your desk. Lawdy mercy it feels great to be retired from that company.
That said - Jack should have been fired 2-3 years ago. I think CLEMSON has to be the easiest employer to work for on the planet. They do NOT run their sports programs like a real business IMO. Bunch of spineless ... Anyway - they suck at it. They run their business like Jack ran his...oh wait.
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Re: To you Jack supporters who think he was mistreated .....
Jun 6, 2015, 12:21 PM
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lowcountry: could not have said it better myself. Lots of people on here who simply don't understand realty when it comes to collegiate sports. Not that Division I sports are all big business in every sense of the words but they need to be run as businesses. Jack declined with the culmination being this year AFTER he was placed on some sort of probation and yet he did not change. He's insubordinate, not coachable himself, refuses to listen and now it's time to pay the price.
We need fresh leadership in baseball that has the knowledge, dedication, and moxie to lead back to the elite group.
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If we're running baseball like a buisness
Jun 6, 2015, 1:37 PM
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Wouldn't it seem important to offer our players (employees I guess) a similar compensation package as our competitors? Our lack of scholarships has certainly played a role in the leveling out of the program.
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