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So if PSU can fire Franklin after a bad start
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to a season, why doesn’t Clemson fire Dabo? This is just for conversation. Not saying I want Dabo fired in anyway shape or form.
I want him to prove to everyone that he still has what it takes and will adjust to get it done.
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Frankiln doesnt have 2 nattys and 9 conference championships***
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Re: Thread closed***
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Franklin's programs were
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Tommy Bowden squads on steroids...
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Re: Franklin's programs were
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Disagree Bowden won big games just lost games he shouldn’t have. Franklin could not win the big games.
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Re: Franklin's programs were
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Like UCLA and Northwestern
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Re: Franklin's programs were
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Ehhh...to be fair to Franklin, Tommy Bowden never made it to a national semifinal. I know they didn't even have the playoff yet back then, but still, Bowden never came close to making it that far.
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No coach has won an ACCC in football more recently than
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Dabo Swinney.
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Re: No coach has won an ACCC in football more recently than
Oct 15, 2025, 6:41 AM
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He nor we won that last one, it was gifted. 😉
GO TIGERS!!!
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Re: No coach has won an ACCC in football more recently than
Oct 15, 2025, 11:23 AM
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Who took advantage of that "gift"?
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Re: No coach has won an ACCC in football more recently than
Oct 15, 2025, 11:30 AM
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Do you think the season ends before all the games are completed? The 2 teams left standing at that point play for the ACCC. This concept is not difficult. Miami lost a game they had to win. I’m pretty certain they didn’t do it on purpose as a gift to Clemson.
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As someone who buys a lot of the "dumper" arguments . . .
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Oct 13, 2025, 3:09 PM
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I have to say that while I don't think you can ride that forever, Dabo does have more cache built up than Franklin, so I think there's a justification for a guy with Dabo's accomplishments to be on a much longer "leash" than Franklin. Not endless, but also not on as short of a leash as someone else might be.
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Re: Frankiln doesnt have 2 nattys and 9 conference championships***
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Yeah, but you can live a few decades on it. At this point, I am calling anyone that wants Dabo fired either a coot, or a bandwagon fan that jumped on during our playoff runs, either way their opinion is to be ignored. No one, and I mean no one, that was around during the Bowden days would want Dabo fired.
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Re: Frankiln doesnt have 2 nattys and 9 conference championships***
Oct 15, 2025, 12:37 AM
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Yes 35-0 in a playoff game, ran Urban Myer out of college football. Embarrassed Brian Kelly out Notre Dame 30-3. Also ran Jimbo Fisher out of Fla. St., and Mack Brown out of UNC.
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Re: Frankiln doesnt have 2 nattys and 9 conference championships***
Oct 15, 2025, 12:39 AM
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Oh and Steve Spurrier out of USCjr....lol
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Right on coot boy!
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Re: Right on coot boy!
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Lmao!!!!👊🔥
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Re: Right on coot boy!
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There is no one in college FB that wants to see Dabo fired more than coot fans! ! !
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TS is posing an apples to oranges career
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case study for discussion which is lazy regardless of his agenda. Broad generalizations while keeping a distance from any specifics are likely the preference of the dim thread starter. (6 straight CFP appearance, 7 in total)
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Re: So if PSU can fire Franklin after a bad start
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Because Dabo has actually produced results that matter. I don’t get the reasoning for your poast?
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Re: So if PSU can fire Franklin after a bad start
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Franklin went to the semifinals of the new 12 team CFP last year something Dabo hasn't accomplished yet.
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Re: So if PSU can fire Franklin after a bad start
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People say around here that beating SMU doesn't count as a big win last year. But Franklin gets credit for doing that at home?
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^ This***
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Re: So if PSU can fire Franklin after a bad start
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PSU routed SMU. Clemson with all its talent struggled to beat the school one year removed from the G5 and needed a walk off miracle field goal to do it.
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Re: So if PSU can fire Franklin after a bad start
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Neutral site vs being at home in one of the first ever playoff games played at campus.
SMU couldn't communicate on offense at all, they'd never played in a game like that before. I've been the first to call out how our atmosphere has fallen off in recent times but I promise if they played for an ACC title or a playoff game at Death Valley last year the result would've been similar. Like we saw with LSU this year the tiger faithful WILL show out for a big game.
Not the same in a half full BOA stadium.
We were routing them until we let off the gas and our lame duck DC started screwing around again.
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Re: So if PSU can fire Franklin after a bad start
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I don't know what some of our fans are thinking but, you don't fire a HC that has won 10 plus games every season since 2011 but 1 in 2023 we won 9 games.
Sometimes we forget all the good when a little bad comes our way, but we could still win 10 games this season.
IMPO, firing Dabo at this time would be the stupidest thing Clemson could do!!!
The proof is in the schedules since 2011, and I've made it easy for you to look and see for yourselves!!!
https://fbschedules.com/2010-clemson-football-schedule/
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Re: So if PSU can fire Franklin after a bad start
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A better question for this conversation , based on who's authored it , is ... How long will the University of South Carolina accept that it's football program is never going to win anything of significance ? An even better question , is that their coaching hires faults ? Or how about , did Ol' Ben's pitchfork put a mark on their school that can't be shined off ? Why do Spy Coots wander around on Clemson boards asking pathetic , pandering questions aimed at rabble rousing ? Those are better questions. For conversation.
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Re: So if PSU can fire Franklin after a bad start
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Point for the Spy Cootss reference!
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Re: So if PSU can fire Franklin after a bad start
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Try a different "hot take" 👍🥱
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Re: So if PSU can fire Franklin after a bad start
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Go some where else. No way you a serious Tiger fan. You gonna fire a man that has won more ACC games than any other one in the history of the game. You gonna fire a man who won 2 natties and 8 conference titles? The most respected HC in all of college football except by you. Man you got problems.
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Re: So if PSU can fire Franklin after a bad start
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Give it up dude
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Let me stop you there
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YOU’RE F#*%+*G STUPID
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Ouch... I don't think baby Jesus would approve.***
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Re: So if PSU can fire Franklin after a bad start
Oct 13, 2025, 8:28 AM
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There are lots of guys available right now who are better than Ryan Day, so this should be easy.
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Re: So if PSU can fire Franklin after a bad start
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I have disagree that no buyout is too big to fire a Head Coach. I say it will take time to see if Penn St did or did not bite off more than they could afford. And only time will give us the answer 🤫🤫🤔🤔🫢🫢🙄🙄😮😮
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Re: So if PSU can fire Franklin after a bad start
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Franklin is not in the same level of coaches as Dabo and really only Kirby Smart and Ryan Day are.
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Re: So if PSU can fire Franklin after a bad start
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Because Clemson isn't stupid. Firing Dabo would be idiotic. There isn't one coach out there that I'm positive could come in and do better.
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LOL
Oct 30, 2025, 7:45 AM
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No coach could do better than 3-5 with this schedule? Is this a joke? Some of you are next level delusional.
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Re: So if PSU can fire Franklin after a bad start
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Penn State and Clemson are unrelated in success these last 15 years. I think Penn State made a mistake firing James Franklin but if they somehow, on the smallest conceivable chance, hire someone that takes them from consistent, albeit stagnant, 10+ wins a year and turns them into a team that is constantly in the final four or winning national championship's, then maybe this question gets brought up again.
Otherwise, not much to really say here.
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Re: So if PSU can fire Franklin after a bad start
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They’re wagering 100 million on the odds they get someone better than Franklin and as good as Day.
Which side of that bet would you take?
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Something Called 2 National Championships
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Coot
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Then why did you bring it up?***
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Re: So if PSU can fire Franklin after a bad start
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Probably because no matter how bad things get, Clemson will always own it's wimpy in-state "rival".
That's my best guess.
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Franklin literally has zero results. None. Nadda. Was always horribly overrated.***
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Re: Franklin literally has zero results. None. Nadda. Was always horribly overrated.***
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You literally keep using the word literally and I literally don't think you know what it means.
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You literally dont know what a lot of things mean.***
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Re: So if PSU can fire Franklin after a bad start
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Bc Dabo is light years ahead of Franklin and has won championships and big games. People also fail to realize Clemson does not have the Alumni base or resources Penn ST does, im shocked Franklin lasted so long tbh. They were winning in spite of him not bc of him.
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Is there a Dumbest Question award we can give?
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Should be…..
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Re: So if PSU can fire Franklin after a bad start
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Oh of course wink wink .... smdh
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Uhh, Dabo won stuff.
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What he did at Clemson from 2009-2020 earned him a lot of goodwill. James Franklin did a nice job making PSU relevant again (to a point), but he's essentially been stuck at the 2012-2014 Clemson hump where we just couldn't quite get it together to beat our biggest rivals (FSU and USC) and compete for titles.
But Dabo was able to take that next step whereas Franklin never could.
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Re: So if PSU can fire Franklin after a bad start
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Clemson’s entire athletic program, and I’d say even the stature of the university itself, have been influenced by Dabo’s commitment to doing things the right way. He has built (on good foundations built after the 80s scandals) a model program whose principles have affected everything (football is king). I’m not suddenly going to turn hyper-mercenary just because the NCAA lost their minds and now can’t control their own monster.
I had a guy say “If Ok State can fire Gundy…” as if that equals Clemson and Dabo. It doesn’t. Not close based on field results and even less close on off field constructiveness. Yall can enter the destructive down cycle of coaching go rounds, but you still won’t get what you want. Who you gonna hire? Belichick? O’Brien? You gonna get Mike Elko to leave A&M? Smart from UGA? Lane fergodsakes Kiffin, who everybody keeps acting like is special? Oh, you think you’ll get Venables back from OU. Or maybe Harbaugh can cheat properly here! Do you think Ryan Day can duplicate OSU at Clemson? Maybe more of yall should pony up to make Clemson as rich as OSU, Texas, Texas A&M, Georgia, and Notre Dame before we start mud wrestling in the same slime pit.
Some o yall need to think this thing through.
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Franklin never, ever won "The Big One" at Penn St. Dabo Swinney has won a
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whole BOATLOAD of Big Ones at Clemson, including two of the Biggest, against the best college coach of all time, by most peoples estimation, Lil Nicky Saban. That includes a total beatdown of the Best College Team of All Time in the 2018 season.
Now, I will admit that things have fallen off that lofty plateau in the last few years. They had to. Even Saban never won it, or was even IN it, every single year. And he had every single advantage that the SEC and ESPN could buy him in recruiting year after year.
The fact that Clemson won the ACC LAST YEAR, and reached the Playoffs again LAST YEAR, is a troublesome fact in the "Clemson is in the Clumper" narrative. Is this year a Harbinger of Doom, or just a temporary bump in the road? That story is yet to be written.
I, personally do not hold out that much hope for a miraculous finish to this season. But, that does not mean I am ready to throw in the towel on the whole program and start over. I remember all too well how long we wandered in the wilderness after Danny Ford was sacked, AND how pitiful the program was BEFORE Danny got here. This story is to be continued next year, with hopefully some exciting new chapters being written. I believe that Dabo has now seen he MUST adapt and use the Transfer Portal. He will.
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Re: So if PSU can fire Franklin after a bad start
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The difference would be no championsips vs lots of championships. Championships will buy you lots of time. Especially when the last one was just a year ago. Franklin fielded some really good teams, but could never get it done. Dabo has lots of time....Joe Paterno level of time... if we need to make a comparison between the two schools and the way they retain or fire coaches. Although there is no direct comparison the one comparison that I think is valid is that both coaches built the money behind their programs. Swinney brought a 13.4% increase in football profits from 2023 to 2024 alone.
I think also at Clemson they recognize that Dabo has bigger hills to climb than any Penn State coach in terms of size of school and the arena we have to fight in with respect to that size. It comes down to non-football direct resouces that a Penn State coach might have when coaching a school that has 88,000 students with a much higher graduate pool to get donations from. Penn State is rated #11 in terms of money generation for football and Clemson is ranked #22. With that comes alot less patience.
Then there is the buyout. It is estimated that Clemson with much less cash available than Penn State would pay $60 million to buy out Swinney's contract and by comparison the much wealthier Penn State paid $45 million to fire Franklin.
Swinney is not going anywhere so while we can complain and make our diatibes about what we would like to see him do, I think most of us are behind him 99%.
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This question belongs here:
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https://www.blackshoediaries.com/
Not here. I'm afraid we cannot assist with answering questions as to what average programs do with their average head coaches.
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Re: So if PSU can fire Franklin after a bad start
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Did this really even require a response?
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Re: So if PSU can fire Franklin after a bad start
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Stupid question with obvious answer to anyone who has a clue or even been conscious the last 12-15 years.
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Re: So if PSU can fire Franklin after a bad start
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Oct 13, 2025, 1:31 PM
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It would be dumb to even consider it. Winning multiple National Championships and winning the league almost every year for the past 10 years, to even consider firing a legendary coach because the team is having a bad year is insane to me. The team hasn't lived up to expectations this year, I get it, I'm disappointed by it, everyone is. Here's a couple of historical examples for you to consider though:
Woody Hayes won NC in '54, '57 and '61, then had a 6-3 season in '62, 5-3-1 in '63, 4-5 in '66 and 6-3 in '67. Goes on to win 2 more NCs in '68 and '70
John Mckay won NC in '62 and '67, had a 6-4-1 season in '70 and '71, then won NCs in '72 and '74
Bear Bryant won NC in '61, '64, '65, had a 6-5 season in '69 and 6-5-1 in '70, then won NCs in '73, '78, '79.
Joe Paterno won NC in '82, had a 6-5 season in '84, then won another NC in '86
All legendary coaches, all of them had bad seasons, none of them got fired for it, all of them went on to win another National Championship.
In addition to that, no capable coach is going to want to come to a place that is willing to fire a head coach that has won 2 nattys and 9 conference championships just because he had a 3-3 start to a season. That is absurd. If that's the stance taken, then we are going to be in buyout #### for a long time and we would deserve every second of it.
Also, before anyone throws up how much money coaches make these days and still wants our coach fired at least prove how much of that money you are personally donating every year. If little or none of that money is actually coming out of your pocket you really shouldn't use that as an argument.
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Orange Elite [5388]
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Re: So if PSU can fire Franklin after a bad start
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Oct 13, 2025, 3:20 PM
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It would take a complete catastrophe for like two or three straight years before they would ever consider firing him.
More than likely, you will see Dabo resign before being fired. We can all hope that he does that soon. I said it before and I’ll say it again. Dabo will never get us back to a legit top ten team.
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Clemson Icon [25439]
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Re: So if PSU can fire Franklin after a bad start
Oct 14, 2025, 7:14 AM
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Will publicly eat crow if he does get us back to legit top 10 Status ??? Preseason polls are useless. It helps sports media sources like ESPN aka promoter for the SEC, pay the bills and hire incompetent announcers aka anal-ysts. Who get right less than many on Tigernet.
I will publicly eat my well done crow if he does not.
How many’s years have you been at your job ?? If it’s been 10 years or longer how many of those years would you say your work production declined for a number of possible reasons, many beyond your control. A change in the economic environment, new laws, government policies or regulations etc.., what if everyone started evaluating you job daily and on social media, the radio, TV and more sources. Could you withstand the enormous pressure ????????? ??
Outside factors have affected some success at Clemson. Yet we still made it to the CFP last year. It this preseason hype has been bad for sports. That’s why we play the games. I am “ All In “ with our Current Head Coach Dabo Swinney 🐅🐅🐅🐅🐅🐅🐅🐅🐅 🐅🐅
NIL, the TP and Revenue Sharing have impacted many successful programs. And I don’t feel like Dabo as our HC has let the program decline. I would say 10 or more wins is pretty successful. How about you ?? After 17 years of sustained success Dabo has an off year start to the season yet Clemson could still win 10 games.
During Tommy Bowdens tenure at Clemson all fans wanted was 10 wins and an ACC title. Well Dabo won 10 games or more most every year, 2 NC’s 9 ACC titles. Now some fans are ready to toss away the most successful HC in Clemson History.
Before the late 1970’s Clemson was an average to occasionally above average program. Danny Ford won out First National Championship in 1981. We did not play for another until 2016 ( National Championship) 2017 NC game 2018 ( National Championship) 2018 National Championship game loss to LSU
2016 Alabama Crimson Tide L 45-40 2017 Alabama Crimson Tide W 35-31 2019 Alabama Crimson Tide W 44-16 2020 LSU Tigers L 42-25
Dabo has won 9 ACC titles and lead Clemson to the CFP’s 5 times and to 4 consecutive NC games winning 2 of 4 best Nick Saban twice.
And you hope he resigns soon. We have some very unappreciative fans. Penn State may find out what a mistake they made and will be reminded of it over $50 million times. !!!
A positive fan base and positive post could lead to better recruiting results. You just never, it could that one negative comment that cost Clemson a recruit.
ESPN will ride a coach until fans are brainwashed by their BS and fire a coach because it creates more news for ESecpn and Finebaum something to talk about to cover ESPN , ESPN.+, ESPN ++ etc..,
I guess I was taught positive thinking lead to more success 😁
Message was edited by: wueagle86®
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Re: So if PSU can fire Franklin after a bad start
Oct 14, 2025, 6:52 AM
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I am not saying Dabo needs to be fired by any means, but the decline would look a lot worse these last few years if Clemson were in a real conference.
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Re: So if PSU can fire Franklin after a bad start
Oct 14, 2025, 7:17 AM
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WHAT AN IDIOTIC THREAD.
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Mascot [22]
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Re: So if PSU can fire Franklin after a bad start
Oct 14, 2025, 6:35 PM
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Come on…not even close to same situation…n
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Ultimate Tiger [38707]
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Re: So if PSU can fire Franklin after a bad start
Oct 14, 2025, 6:40 PM
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Only a coot would even think that, much less say it out loud. But I am a Pumper, and proud of it, because I lived through Hootie Ingram, Tommy West, Ken Hatfield, Tommy Bowden…and I appreciate what Swinney has done at Clemson. Coaches Howard, Ford, and Swinney built what we enjoy today. The others contributed and did what they could, but anyone who thinks we should fire Coach Swinney is an idiot.
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Rock Defender [52]
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Re: So if PSU can fire Franklin after a bad start
Oct 14, 2025, 8:53 PM
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Forrest Gump says he’s smarter than you.
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Head Coach [976]
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Re: So if PSU can fire Franklin after a bad start
Oct 14, 2025, 10:00 PM
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62% TP...says it all!
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Re: So if PSU can fire Franklin after a bad start
Oct 15, 2025, 7:40 AM
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Clemson being on the short bus of P4 conferences helps Dabo a lot. It’s hard to have a catastrophic year against such a terrible conference. USCe just played LSU and is about to play OU, Alabama, Ole Miss, and A&M. That’s a #### of a lot harder than what Clemson faces.
I think Dabo was right behind Saban ten years ago, but I think there are several coaches better right now. Dabo will never again have anywhere close to the level of talent and assistants as at his peak.
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Heisman Winner [83823]
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Even your username says Clemson fan in it to add to the irony.
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Oct 15, 2025, 12:58 AM
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Nobody cares about PSU or your low wit trolls.
Scamper back to the mushroom village, stinky.
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All-Pro [728]
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Re: So if PSU can fire Franklin after a bad start
Oct 16, 2025, 4:28 PM
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Franklin never won the big games.
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Campus Hero [13771]
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Re: So if PSU can fire Franklin after a bad start
Oct 30, 2025, 10:42 AM
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Your pulse suggests that you might be a troll, so why should anyone want to even consider anything you bring up?
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