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110%er [5713]
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For those of you old enough to remember 1990..........
Dec 6, 2021, 8:11 PM
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Which hurt worse:
The departure of Brent Venables or the firing of Danny Ford?
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Orange Beast [6200]
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Re: For those of you old enough to remember 1990..........
Dec 6, 2021, 8:19 PM
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Danny Ford
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Re: For those of you old enough to remember 1990..........
Dec 6, 2021, 8:22 PM
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Danny Ford - complete shock. I knew BV would probably leave one day, but that hasn't made it any easier.
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Valley Protector [1477]
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Re: For those of you old enough to remember 1990..........
Dec 6, 2021, 8:22 PM
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For me Ford. I always thought at some point BV would leave. Ford was not a football decision
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Athletic Dir [1193]
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Re: For those of you old enough to remember 1990..........
Dec 6, 2021, 8:42 PM
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I hate to see CBV leave, but we knew it would eventually happen. We got 10 great years from him, and he chose an opportunity that means lifetime financial security for him and his family. BV did things the right way.
Danny Ford being fired was a real shock and so unnecessary. For what DF had done for Clemson, the differences should have been resolved with him staying. Remember that the entire football team marched on the president's home, and the Clemson Nation was in an uproar for weeks.
For those who remember, Charley Pell's leaving was a huge shock. He was on TV the night before assuring everybody that the Florida thing was just a rumor. I still remember his words, "That is a rumor coming out of Florida, and it a lie. In fact, it is a #### lie. I'm not going anywhere." He left for Florida the next day.
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Legend [6953]
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Danny. Gut punch. Marched on Presidents house. Hate
Dec 6, 2021, 8:24 PM
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Max Lennon
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TigerNet Elite [76545]
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And that loser’s signature is on my diploma. Gag.***
Dec 6, 2021, 8:26 PM
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Orange Phenom [14602]
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Mine as well. Hate it!***
Dec 6, 2021, 8:34 PM
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Clemson Sports Icon [59225]
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Ford. Not even close. And that is no disrespect to Venables.
Dec 6, 2021, 8:24 PM
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But Ford was thrust upon us by a President and Board of Trustees that was hell bent on taking Clemson in another direction. Boy.....WERE THEY WRONG ON WHERE COLLEGE FOOTBALL WAS HEADED.
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Tiger Spirit [9210]
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Re: For those of you old enough to remember 1990..........
Dec 6, 2021, 8:26 PM
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Danny Ford. Danny became coach when I was a kid and he represented Clemson football to me.
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Orange Beast [6429]
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Re: For those of you old enough to remember 1990..........
Dec 6, 2021, 8:27 PM
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Not close. Danny. I was a freshman and we used to go to all the basketball games and stand on the bleachers under the goal, (we had basketball back then). We made a huge sign that said give Max the Ax and Bring Danny Back. They seized it before the game even started and it still ticks me off.
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TigerNet Elite [76545]
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Danny. No comparison. I’m already over this one.
Dec 6, 2021, 8:27 PM
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Next man up.
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Paw Master [17544]
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I was a senior when Ford was forced out
Dec 6, 2021, 8:31 PM
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It seemed inevitable…much like Venables leaving did. But Ford WAS Clemson football to me. Both hurt terribly. Ford hurt worse emotionally and philosophically, but maybe Venables hursts more on the field. Time will tell. The decade after Ford left sucked so bad. We are at a loftier place now than we were in 1990. Hopefully the next 10 years won’t look anything like the 90s.
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Tiger Spirit [9839]
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1990 returning team was at a loftier place than
Nov 6, 2023, 1:41 PM
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2022 returning team. Disagree with your analysis of program strength at time of departures. Imagine if Danny stuck around.
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TigerNet Elite [69764]
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Clemson likely wins at least two more National Championships***
Dec 7, 2021, 8:43 AM
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Orange Immortal [64959]
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Danny, by far.***
Dec 6, 2021, 8:33 PM
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Clemson Sports Icon [59225]
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Can you tell us old folks are still pissed!!!!***
Dec 6, 2021, 8:34 PM
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Dynasty Maker [3186]
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Re: Can you tell us old folks are still pissed!!!!***
Dec 6, 2021, 8:40 PM
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Coach Ford for sure.
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Coach Ford***
Dec 6, 2021, 8:41 PM
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Danny Ford. I marched on Max Lennon lawn for firing Danny.
Dec 6, 2021, 8:44 PM
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Nm
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Paw Master [17121]
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Re: For those of you old enough to remember 1990..........
Dec 6, 2021, 8:47 PM
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Danny was a shock, but the pain was short-lived as I relished in the fact that one song by Nirvana, killed the whole genre of hair metal.
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Orange Immortal [62595]
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Re: For those of you old enough to remember 1990..........
Dec 6, 2021, 8:51 PM
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Ouch. Not sure. I'm 72. Our family were peppering letters to the AD, BOT, and anyone else that would listen protesting his departure. But we didn't have access to information as you do today. So in ways, it was like mob mentality. Hence, felt it was unjustified.
I would have to say at this point, the departure of Brent. Torn. Tears of joy for he and his family. Tears of sadness because it's like a family member leaving. Concern because every player he coached would literally take a bullet for him. Concern because he is, to date, the best recruiter we've ever had (my opinion).
Isn't about any distrust in Dabo. Obviously a believer in what he can do, and he will get it done. How much of a setback it will be. It's unknown, and anyone that says otherwise isn't being honest. Dabo can't even predict that.
You can go out and hire the perceived best. You may get a Trevor or you may get a Hunter Johnson. With CBV here, you knew you had a TL16. Not going to turn in my orange or sit here and wallow in misery. I do enjoy debating it though.
Sorry for the long post but felt it needed perspective.
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Orange Blooded [2206]
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Danny Ford
Dec 6, 2021, 8:51 PM
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Not even close. He was poised to win another natty. That set us back a decade.
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Re: Danny Ford
Dec 6, 2021, 10:35 PM
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I've said the same thing (another natty). Just had to beat GA. Tech; just needed to kick a another fieldgoal at the end. That firing set us back 15 years. It was terrible.
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Head Coach [932]
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Re: For those of you old enough to remember 1990..........
Dec 6, 2021, 8:56 PM
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Danny by a long shot. I was a senior and in disbelief. We just got back from Jacksonville from killing WV, spring semester had just started, then BAM.
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Orange Blooded [2421]
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Re: For those of you old enough to remember 1990..........
Dec 6, 2021, 8:58 PM
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The firing of Danny Ford for me.
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Re: For those of you old enough to remember 1990..........
Dec 6, 2021, 9:01 PM
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You kidding? I still have the December, 1969 special edition of The Tiger announcing Coach Howard's "retirement". The Legend.
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Solid Orange [1300]
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Re: For those of you old enough to remember 1990..........
Dec 6, 2021, 9:04 PM
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I was 11 years old and cried my eyes out. Still pisses me off. Venables was always going to leave someday. Helluva coach and man.
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Paw Warrior [4788]
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Re: For those of you old enough to remember 1990..........
Dec 6, 2021, 9:18 PM
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Danny Ford and it's not even close. I wish BV had stayed, but I understand. Ford, on the other hand, was becuase of Lennon and that little turd named Robinson. I still hate both to this day!
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Re: For those of you old enough to remember 1990..........
Dec 6, 2021, 9:19 PM
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Paw Warrior [4652]
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Far and Away — Danny Ford
Dec 6, 2021, 9:23 PM
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Nm
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Re: For those of you old enough to remember 1990..........
Dec 6, 2021, 9:26 PM
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Because I remember the 60's, was in Jacksonville for Danny's first bowl game and in Miami for the National Championship, Danny's firing was a much bigger deal.
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Re: For those of you old enough to remember 1990..........
Dec 6, 2021, 9:27 PM
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Danny Ford
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Playmaker [350]
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Danny Ford 100%
Dec 6, 2021, 9:28 PM
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Despite Venables being a great DC and representative of Clemson, Danny Ford is a legend. His name is in the ring of honor for a reason.
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CU Medallion [20185]
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The Firing of Danny Ford - that is easy to answer
Dec 6, 2021, 9:30 PM
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That hurt. CDF left without having opportunity to finish the job.
CBV leaving on the circumstances he is leaving on is much different. He is leaving to accomplish what he can at the next level having already accomplished more than any other before him at Clemson as Defensive Coordinator. I applaud him and wish him the very best.
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Re: For those of you old enough to remember 1990..........
Dec 6, 2021, 9:30 PM
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Danny… messed me up for years lol.
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Paw Warrior [4812]
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Re: For those of you old enough to remember 1990..........
Dec 6, 2021, 9:31 PM
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Which hurt worse:
The departure of Brent Venables or the firing of Danny Ford?
Ford by a wide margin. The firing of Danny took over 20 years to recover from.
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Orange Beast [6315]
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Re: For those of you old enough to remember 1990..........
Dec 6, 2021, 9:41 PM
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Coach Danny Ford. We were left in the wilderness for a while.
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Asst Coach [827]
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Dec 6, 2021, 9:41 PM
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Danny , he got screwed over
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Tiger Spirit [9155]
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Re: For those of you old enough to remember 1990..........
Dec 6, 2021, 9:44 PM
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Danny Ford….he is the guy who put Clemson on the map…….BV helped Dabo make Clemson famous and start this dynasty…..both very important parts of helping make Clemson what it is today……and Dabo ain’t done yet…..many more championships to come!
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it’s not close
Dec 6, 2021, 9:46 PM
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coach ford.
but - still sucks.
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Re: For those of you old enough to remember 1990..........
Dec 6, 2021, 9:55 PM
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Danny Ford
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Re: For those of you old enough to remember 1990..........
Dec 6, 2021, 10:21 PM
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Danny Ford.
Not even close!
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Danny Ford
Dec 6, 2021, 11:09 PM
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Not even close.
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Danny Ford.***
Dec 7, 2021, 4:54 AM
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not even close, Ford***
Dec 7, 2021, 5:04 AM
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All-American [554]
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Danny Ford leaving was a shock that came out of nowhere
Dec 7, 2021, 6:52 AM
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There was no internet or social media. All you had was waiting on tv and newspaper updates.
As a side note 1989 was my first fall away from Clemson in the working world. Not all of our games were on tv, especially in Eastern NC where I was living. I remember several Saturday afternoons watching the scores scroll across the bottom of ESPN looking for Clemson game score updates. Only way to keep up.
Had a lot of NC State and UNC fans around me, when Danny was let go they couldn't believe Clemson would fire him. He was Clemson football in the 80's.
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DF leaving was a shock. BV wasn’t. Bobby Robinson really
Dec 7, 2021, 7:20 AM
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screwed the program back then and it took a decade or so to get the wheels somewhat back on the track with Bowden. I don’t see the departure of BV having that kind of effect.
It was odd looking back on the Gator Bowl and realizing we were sitting in the stands for Danny’s last game without even knowing it.
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Hall of Famer [8225]
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Re: For those of you old enough to remember 1990..........
Dec 7, 2021, 7:22 AM
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Good God, Danny leaving, He was Clemson football at that time
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Venebles hits more
Dec 7, 2021, 7:37 AM
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Danny’s exit was not unexpected and not sudden in my opinion. Venables was expected at some point but was sudden.
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Top TigerNet [31136]
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Re: For those of you old enough to remember 1990..........
Dec 7, 2021, 7:42 AM
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Without question... Danny!
End. Of. Story.
Period.
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Starter [278]
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Dec 7, 2021, 8:15 AM
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Ford was a complete shock. We’ve known BV was leaving at some point. Ford was Clemson. Now if Dabo were to leave I’d say Dabo leaving would be worse. Hoping when Dabo leaves we have significantly better options because we are more of a National brand now. Don’t want another Ken Hatfield.
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Orange Blooded [2423]
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Re: For those of you old enough to remember 1990..........
Dec 7, 2021, 8:17 AM
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Definitely Danny..
We still have Dabo and President Clements is a strong supporter of the program.
We were definitely going the opposite direction in 1990.
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Clemson Conqueror [11544]
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Ford. Still remember being part of the candlelight vigil.***
Dec 7, 2021, 8:37 AM
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Paw Warrior [4913]
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What is ironic is that at the time I think part of the beef
Dec 7, 2021, 8:38 AM
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with Ford is that he wanted special dorms for his players and there was open donor cheating. The Administration was pushing back against it all. At the time most of the FB and BB players lived in Mauldin Hall and many of the top players drove brand new cars supplied by donors. Every student on campus knew there was rampant NCAA infractions.
I say ironic for two reasons: 1) Danny wasn't really the problem, the donors were and 2) He/they were just ahead of their time. NIL and the portal have truly killed the last vestiges of the "student athlete"
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Danny Ford and it's not even close.***
Dec 7, 2021, 8:53 AM
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