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division realignment
Nov 17, 2013, 11:15 PM
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The ACC should do away with divisions altogether. 14 teams, one division. Each team would have 3 permanent rivals, then rotate the other ten, 5 each year. Play every team in conference every other year. At the end of the year, the top 2 teams would then play each other in the conference championship game.
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How would you handle 3 undefeated teams?***
Nov 17, 2013, 11:27 PM
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Depends..
Nov 17, 2013, 11:31 PM
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1) Is Swofford still commissioner?
2) Is UNC one of the undefeated?
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Oculus Spirit [93618]
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I'm not that old yet.***
Nov 18, 2013, 2:47 PM
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Re: How would you handle 3 undefeated teams?***
Nov 19, 2013, 6:09 PM
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You take the top two teams in the BCS or what ever it becomes rankings. I think this is a great idea that will never happen.
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Orange Blooded [4982]
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NCAA requires divisions for a conference
Nov 17, 2013, 11:48 PM
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to have a championship game.
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Orange Blooded [3245]
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What if the divisions changed yearly
Nov 17, 2013, 11:48 PM
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1,3,5,7 and 2,4,6 in each division switch every year. Could be exciting and interesting and would insure parity long term. Seems kind of radical but hey this is a message board.
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Orange Blooded [3245]
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Adjustment
Nov 17, 2013, 11:51 PM
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That scenario wouldn't work number wise. So just switch the 2nd 4th and 6th place teams every year.
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The only sensible alignment that has ever existed has been
Nov 17, 2013, 11:52 PM
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geographical.
North
Louisville
Syracuse
Boston College
UVA
Virginia Tech
Pitt
Wake Forest
South
FSU
UNC
Duke
GT
Clemson
Miami
NC State
Good teams change every so often, trying to balance teams on who was good in 2004 was dumb, doing it again will be dumb again.
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When the next two teams are added it will make even more
Nov 17, 2013, 11:59 PM
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sense. Pods.
Yankee
Syracuse
Notre Dame
UCONN
Boston College
Army of Northern Virginia
UVA
VT
Pitt
Louisville
Tobacco Road
NC State
UNC
Duke
Wake
Boys from the South
Clemson
Miami
GT
FSU
Winners from each division are seeded based on BCS rank and have a 4 team playoff to determine conf champ. 
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That will be a tough sell.***
Nov 18, 2013, 1:04 AM
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Yeah I was just being idealistic.***
Nov 18, 2013, 12:50 PM
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Nice division names though!***
Nov 19, 2013, 5:58 PM
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Re: Good teams do change every so often, but it's more than...
Nov 18, 2013, 7:21 AM
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So are Bama and LSU. To be the best....
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2010?***
Nov 18, 2013, 12:53 PM
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Re: The only sensible alignment that has ever existed has been
Nov 18, 2013, 7:19 AM
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That is a bad idea. To separate the conference North South just creates a needless psychological division that further divides the teams. The very BEST idea is to leave it like it is now.
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Needless psychological division? What is that based on?
Nov 18, 2013, 12:49 PM
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We should play the closer teams more often. It will make conference alignment make more sense, and add an interesting regional pride component to the championship game.
We are already extremely "psychologically divided" from the teams in the coastal, and CLemson and FSU fans disdain most of the rest of the conference. At least we are more efficient in travel expenses.
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Re: Needless psychological division? What is that based on?
Nov 18, 2013, 1:05 PM
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Um... Maybe the Civil War? Slavery? Temperature? Accent? I think the ACC has it right mixing it just like they are doing.
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So you think an ACC realignment may trigger us to secede?
Nov 18, 2013, 7:35 PM
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Really don't understand the problem. What the eff does slavery and the civil war have to do with division realignment? Don't we still have a blue/gray all-star game?
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Re: So you think an ACC realignment may trigger us to secede?
Nov 19, 2013, 6:40 AM
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Don't get so bent out of shape that you need to use an F bomb dude. I am saying there already exists a natural division between North and South in this country. Why we we divide our conference along those lines? We need to come together as a league, not create divisions. We already have other conferences trying to poach our members, don't create natural division. The current method is best.
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Wait, huh?
Nov 19, 2013, 5:19 PM
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Let me start off by saying, I didn't use the "F bomb," I said "effing." Even if I had, why would that make you think I was bent out of shape? I use the "F bomb" freely when I am happy, sad, angry or hungry.
Anyways, I still don't see what "divisions" you are talking about, nor do I see how creating a North and South division will contribute to other leagues poaching our members. Are you saying that by being in the North division, one of the northern schools will randomly have a flashback to the Civil War, start disliking us even more as a result, and then be more likely to jump to the Big 10?
Or alternatively, are you suggesting that teams from the Southern division, upon realizing their conference is split up geographically, will all the sudden become "South will rise again-ish" and secede forming the CCC, or the Confederate Coast Conference?
That can't be what you are saying.
I want to understand your point, I really do, I just can't put it together. Maybe go through a hypothetical scenario. I'm interested.
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Re: division realignment
Nov 18, 2013, 4:57 AM
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Disagree.Every major conference should be divided into two divisions,and the two winners play each other for the championship,and to get into whatever new playoff system is finally agreeded on.
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I'd put miami in the north
Nov 18, 2013, 6:54 AM
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And wake in the south. Wake has Tobacco Road rivalries while Miami has long histories with VT, BC, Pitt, etc.
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I hate to say it but I think the existing alignment helped
Nov 18, 2013, 8:57 AM
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us this year.
I really think FSU would beat us if we played again. I love my tigers and think we're a dang good football team but I think FSU is smokin this year. Also, sometimes a team just has your number - like we did with VaTech a couple of years ago.
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Rotate Divisions
Nov 18, 2013, 9:10 AM
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This increases frequency in games played by all members of the conference, while keeping regional rivalries intact and more frequent than games such as CU vs. Pitt.
Here are the Divisional alignments that I think could work based on a simple Excel spreed sheet I made.
Note that CU would always play GT and FSU; but would not always be in the same division. Likewise; UNC would always play Duke and NCST.
Divisions are shown with cross divisional games shown in parentheses.
Atlantic 2014
Miami (BC Wake)
FSU (Syracuse BC)
CU (L-Ville Syracuse)
GT (Pitt L-Ville)
NCST (VA Tech Pitt)
UNC (UVA VA Tech)
Duke (Wake UVA)
Coastal 2014
Wake (Duke Miami)
UVA (UNC Duke)
VA Tech (NCST UNC)
Pitt (GT NCST)
L-Ville (CU GT)
Syracuse (FSU CU)
BC (Miami FSU)
Atlantic 2015
FSU (Miami UVA)
CU (BC Miami)
GT (Syracuse BC)
NCST (L-Ville Syracuse)
UNC (Pitt L-Ville)
Duke (VA Tech Pitt)
Wake (UVA VA Tech)
Coastal 2015
UVA (Wake FSU)
VA Tech (Duke Wake)
Pitt (UNC Duke)
L-Ville (NCST UNC)
Syracuse (GT NCST)
BC (CU GT)
Miami (FSU CU)
Atlantic 2016
CU (FSU VA Tech)
GT (Miami FSU)
NCST (BC Miami)
UNC (Syracuse BC)
Duke (L-Ville Syracuse)
Wake (Pitt L-Ville)
UVA (VA Tech Pitt)
Coastal 2016
VA Tech (UVA CU)
Pitt (Wake UVA)
L-Ville (Duke Wake)
Syracuse (UNC Duke)
BC (NCST UNC)
Miami (GT NCST)
FSU (CU GT)
Atlantic 2017
GT (CU Pitt)
NCST (FSU CU)
UNC (Miami FSU)
Duke (BC Miami)
Wake (Syracuse BC)
UVA (L-Ville Syracuse)
VA Tech (Pitt L-Ville)
Coastal 2017
Pitt (VA Tech GT)
L-Ville (UVA VA Tech)
Syracuse (Wake UVA)
BC (Duke Wake)
Miami (UNC Duke)
FSU (NCST UNC)
CU (GT NCST)
Atlantic 2018
NCST (GT L-Ville)
UNC (CU GT)
Duke (FSU CU)
Wake (Miami FSU)
UVA (BC Miami)
VA Tech (Syracuse BC)
Pitt (L-Ville Syracuse)
Coastal 2018
L-Ville (Pitt NCST)
Syracuse (VA Tech Pitt)
BC (UVA VA Tech)
Miami (Wake UVA)
FSU (Duke Wake)
CU (UNC Duke)
GT (NCST UNC)
Atlantic 2019
UNC (NCST Syracuse)
Duke (GT NCST)
Wake (CU GT)
UVA (FSU CU)
VA Tech (Miami FSU)
Pitt (BC Miami)
L-Ville (Syracuse BC)
Coastal 2019
Syracuse (L-Ville UNC)
BC (Pitt L-Ville)
Miami (VA Tech Pitt)
FSU (UVA VA Tech)
CU (Wake UVA)
GT (Duke Wake)
NCST (UNC Duke)
Atlantic 2020
Duke (UNC BC)
Wake (NCST UNC)
UVA (GT NCST)
VA Tech (CU GT)
Pitt (FSU CU)
L-Ville (Miami FSU)
Syracuse (BC Miami)
Coastal 2020
BC (Syracuse Duke)
Miami (L-Ville Syracuse)
FSU (Pitt L-Ville)
CU (VA Tech Pitt)
GT (UVA VA Tech)
NCST (Wake UVA)
UNC (Duke Wake)
Atlantic 2021
Wake (Duke Miami)
UVA (UNC Duke)
VA Tech (NCST UNC)
Pitt (GT NCST)
L-Ville (CU GT)
Syracuse (FSU CU)
BC (Miami FSU)
Coastal 2021
Miami (BC Wake)
FSU (Syracuse BC)
CU (L-Ville Syracuse)
GT (Pitt L-Ville)
NCST (VA Tech Pitt)
UNC (UVA VA Tech)
Duke (Wake UVA)
Atlantic 2022
UVA (Wake FSU)
VA Tech (Duke Wake)
Pitt (UNC Duke)
L-Ville (NCST UNC)
Syracuse (GT NCST)
BC (CU GT)
Miami (FSU CU)
Coastal 2022
FSU (Miami UVA)
CU (BC Miami)
GT (Syracuse BC)
NCST (L-Ville Syracuse)
UNC (Pitt L-Ville)
Duke (VA Tech Pitt)
Wake (UVA VA Tech)
Atlantic 2023
VA Tech (UVA CU)
Pitt (Wake UVA)
L-Ville (Duke Wake)
Syracuse (UNC Duke)
BC (NCST UNC)
Miami (GT NCST)
FSU (CU GT)
Coastal 2023
CU (FSU VA Tech)
GT (Miami FSU)
NCST (BC Miami)
UNC (Syracuse BC)
Duke (L-Ville Syracuse)
Wake (Pitt L-Ville)
UVA (VA Tech Pitt)
Atlantic 2024
Pitt (VA Tech GT)
L-Ville (UVA VA Tech)
Syracuse (Wake UVA)
BC (Duke Wake)
Miami (UNC Duke)
FSU (NCST UNC)
CU (GT NCST)
Coastal 2024
GT (CU Pitt)
NCST (FSU CU)
UNC (Miami FSU)
Duke (BC Miami)
Wake (Syracuse BC)
UVA (L-Ville Syracuse)
VA Tech (Pitt L-Ville)
Atlantic 2025
L-Ville (Pitt NCST)
Syracuse (VA Tech Pitt)
BC (UVA VA Tech)
Miami (Wake UVA)
FSU (Duke Wake)
CU (UNC Duke)
GT (NCST UNC)
Coastal 2025
NCST (GT L-Ville)
UNC (CU GT)
Duke (FSU CU)
Wake (Miami FSU)
UVA (BC Miami)
VA Tech (Syracuse BC)
Pitt (L-Ville Syracuse)
Atlantic 2026
Syracuse (L-Ville UNC)
BC (Pitt L-Ville)
Miami (VA Tech Pitt)
FSU (UVA VA Tech)
CU (Wake UVA)
GT (Duke Wake)
NCST (UNC Duke)
Coastal 2026
UNC (NCST Syracuse)
Duke (GT NCST)
Wake (CU GT)
UVA (FSU CU)
VA Tech (Miami FSU)
Pitt (BC Miami)
L-Ville (Syracuse BC)
Atlantic 2027
BC (Syracuse Duke)
Miami (L-Ville Syracuse)
FSU (Pitt L-Ville)
CU (VA Tech Pitt)
GT (UVA VA Tech)
NCST (Wake UVA)
UNC (Duke Wake)
Coastal 2027
Duke (UNC BC)
Wake (NCST UNC)
UVA (GT NCST)
VA Tech (CU GT)
Pitt (FSU CU)
L-Ville (Miami FSU)
Syracuse (BC Miami)
2028 same as 2014
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Re: Rotate Divisions
Nov 18, 2013, 1:08 PM
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That sounds like the scene in Monty Python's Holy Grail when the peasants digging in the sod are describing their form of government to King Arthur.
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let's just keep the divisions the same, and beat fsu.
Nov 18, 2013, 9:12 AM
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problem solved.
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Purple Panther
Nov 18, 2013, 9:27 AM
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That would be a logistical nightmare trying to schedule home and away games. You would have no way to ensure it was fairly scheduled. Would be a risk you would play a school several times in a row away from home.
Only way it could work would be if you realigned them every two years based on cumulative record?
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FSU, Clemson, Va.Tech, Louisville, Ga.Tech + the best
Nov 18, 2013, 10:21 AM
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two of the rest should play during the regular season every year - period. The league is too big and too watered down with mediocrity and non-interested fan bases. Man up during the season and show your metal - the ACCCG is overrated and not worth all the effort trying to manufacture one game in December at the expense of three months of football.
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The divisions
Nov 18, 2013, 10:23 AM
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are working just fine.
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There's no traction for fans outside of the ACC's core base.
Nov 18, 2013, 10:42 AM
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This will hurt us most in the coming years as we try and fend off the Big 10 in our East Coast back yard and the SEC in our southern back yard as we fight for TV share for a league network. Besides the money element, swapping out a dog or two each year for some better competition only makes the better teams stronger. Five years from now you will get what I'm saying.
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You don't have to have an 80,000 plus stadium to have a
Nov 18, 2013, 12:59 PM
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good football team.
Miami should never lose to Duke (even if Miami does not have their own football stadium). There is too much talent in S. FLA for Miami to suck as bad as they do.
Miami, FSU, and Clemson should be top 10 programs annually.
GT, NCST, UNC, L-ville, VA Tech, and BC should be ranked in the top 25 in most years.
Notre Dame is historically one of the best programs in the nation.
There should be 7 ACC teams ranked in the top 25 every year.
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Agree on stadium size. Look at Miami and Pitt -
Nov 18, 2013, 1:13 PM
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65,000 + capacity each and their crowds are pathetic, bordering on embarrassing. Even Duke, playing lights out this year, couldn't fill their 32,000 seat pavilion for their biggest home game in a decade.
As a major conference, we're very unique in that more than half our programs' fan bases could care less about Saturday afternoons in the fall, with the overall gameday support being horrible. So let those programs with more vibrant fan bases and sports cultural similarities play more often and let those programs with apathetic fan bases play each other more often, which a division along the lines of on-field success would more often produce.
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Duke and Wake will always suck...but the other 12 teams
Nov 18, 2013, 1:31 PM
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could easily improve to being top 25 with the current divisions.
But if you had your way.
We would have one division that was the best in NCAA football, and another that looked like the Sun Belt Conference.
Teams in the weaker ACC division would have as much success recruiting as the teams in the Sun Belt.
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Rotate the best and worst of each division every two years
Nov 18, 2013, 2:46 PM
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to keep the playing field level and give every program a shot at the top. More than half our programs already recruit like the Sun Belt anyway so what's the difference. At least there could be some motivation to improve there.
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Promotion and Relegation is needed......
Nov 19, 2013, 7:20 AM
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Upper Division - FSU, Clemson, VT, Miami, GT, UL, Duke
Lower Division - NC St., UNC, Wake, BC, Pitt, Cuse, UVA
At the end of the year the bottom two teams in the upper divison get relegated to the lower division the next year. The top two teams in the lower division replace the relegated teams in the upper division.
The ACCCG is the top two teams in the Upper Division.
This would help strength of schedule.
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Interesting idea but would kill the ACC on a national stage.
Nov 19, 2013, 6:04 PM
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Plus you might end up with the best team in the conference not eligible for the title game, like Auburn's big improvement from last year to this year.
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Keep the title game as division champions... a little
Nov 19, 2013, 7:23 PM
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David vs. Goliath action - a chance for the upstart team to make a national statement. This ensures every team every season has a shot at a championship regardless of division.
As far as a national stage is concerned, it could only improve as we'd have more games more often between the league's better programs - better televised inventory almost by default. It could also make for some high drama as a season unfolds and teams fight to avoid relegation or fight for promotion. It would probably work better from a scheduling and continuity standpoint though if this were only done every two years instead of one.
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Re: division realignment
Nov 18, 2013, 1:02 PM
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Or put Clemson, Wake, Duke, Maryland, Virginia, NC, and NCS in the same division.
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Re: division realignment
Nov 18, 2013, 1:18 PM
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This would be like LSU saying we want a differenct division because we cannot compete with Bama. Really? We can't run scared. Just get better than FSU, that's the only answer.
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The ACC champ. game lost money last year...
Nov 18, 2013, 3:06 PM
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and will again if Duke makes it in. We are not the SEC.
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We don't need realignment; we need to beat fsu!
Nov 19, 2013, 3:09 AM
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Agreed***
Nov 19, 2013, 5:23 PM
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Re: We don't need realignment; we need to beat fsu!
Nov 19, 2013, 10:26 PM
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This is the underlying issue. Otherwise Clemson is just putting off the inevitable and playing for the ACC Championship game.
I do think that having what I call fluid divisions (divisions created every year rather than being pre-determined and based on performance) would create even more interest, and allow for the best 2 teams to face in the championship game.
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Re: division realignment
Nov 19, 2013, 7:40 PM
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The only realignment I'm on board with is a geographical one. North/South divisions make much more sense to me.
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agree***
Nov 19, 2013, 7:43 PM
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Athletic Dir [858]
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Re: division realignment
Nov 20, 2013, 7:23 AM
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I've often thought this, too. But, from FSU's perspective for this year, they've already played and beaten us soundly. They might argue that they deserve to play the Coastal division winner despite how weak they are. If we were in FSU's shoes, wouldn't we want the path of least resistance in the ACCCG? For example, in the NCAA basketball tourney, 1 always plays 16 in the first round and so on. Next year in the plus 1, 1 will play 4 and 2 will play 3. Just saying that when you've earned the #1 seed, you deserve the advantages you've earned with that #1 seed. It's unfortunate that the Coastal champ will be as weak as they are and basically have no chance against FSU. And here's another scenario: suppose we were to play FSU again in the ACCCG and they thump us again so badly that we get knocked out of BCS bowl contention such as the OB? Don't get me wrong, I'd love another crack at those guys, but a lot can also go wrong.
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