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Rival Killer [3072]
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Dabo is gonna have to bite the bullet and hit the portal
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For an Elite DE and RB next season. If he can swallow his pride just enough to snag two big fish at those positions we have a shot at competing for a title next season. If Cade leaves they better put a blank check on the table because from the limited action we've seen from CV he don't look like IT
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Re: Dabo is gonna have to bite the bullet and hit the portal
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Sep 29, 2024, 12:04 AM
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Were you saying the same thing about Cade last season?
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Rival Killer [3072]
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Re: Dabo is gonna have to bite the bullet and hit the portal
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No, I always thought Cade had the potential to get it together. As for RB and DE take a look at the depth charts. We're very very thin. We're so thin at DE right now that we're playing our best DT on the edge. RB is a #### show behind Mafah. I think that David Eziomume has some potential, but I don't feel confident about anyone else outside of him.
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Re: You today: I always thought Cade had the potential to get it together
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Sep 29, 2024, 4:32 AM
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He deserved a TU for that one!
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Re: Dabo is gonna have to bite the bullet and hit the portal
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Sep 29, 2024, 12:04 AM
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You are completely oblivious to…everything.
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Rival Killer [3072]
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Re: Dabo is gonna have to bite the bullet and hit the portal
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Please explain where this magical quality talent will be coming from. Denhoff sucks and Hoffler hasn't shown anything special. Lawson may end up being a force. If you can't see the glairing issues at D end and RB depth you're delusional.
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Don't throw that on us.
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Sep 29, 2024, 7:06 AM
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We never claimed to be qualified to direct our coach. That's your mistake.
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Guess what, UGAY is 3-1 the same as us so
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Sep 29, 2024, 12:05 AM
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Re: Guess what, UGAY is 3-1 the same as us so
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Sep 29, 2024, 9:00 AM
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UGA has played opponents that do not suck. We have played high school teams and if we keep playing crappy teams, it’s going to continue to drag us down.
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Re: Guess what, UGAY is 3-1 the same as us so
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Coot
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Re: Dabo is gonna have to bite the bullet and hit the portal
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Sep 29, 2024, 12:16 AM
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Yeah. Totally agree. I think he’s starting to come around. We don’t really have time to build a ton of depth organically like we used to. I doubt Cade is gonna get enough of an NFL look to warrant him leaving the NIL money I’m sure he will get to stay at Clemson. Some depth at crucial positions won’t hurt or cost a ton. Just get some experienced guys that can be 2 deep options.
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Rival Killer [3072]
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Re: Dabo is gonna have to bite the bullet and hit the portal
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I definitely think Cade stays. All I'm saying is that we have the other pieces in place. We will have a great back 7 with Woodaz and Sammy B headhunting. With an interior line of burley and woods and a outside of Parker and (PLUG ELITE PLAYER HERE) we would be pretty stacked on Defense.
Offense will be lights out, but we absolutely 100% have to get a feature back.
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MVP [510]
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Re: Dabo is gonna have to bite the bullet and hit the portal
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Sep 29, 2024, 12:27 AM
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I completely agree. I don’t have a ton of faith in any of our RB backups. Hopefully someone kind of steps up this year. Having mafah being our real only option this year makes me nervous. DE is also a problem right now and the way we defended the QB tonight makes me worried about playing the chickens this year
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Re: Dabo is gonna have to bite the bullet and hit the portal
Sep 29, 2024, 8:15 PM
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On our team and in our offense, RBs need to know the schemes well enough to block and run the pass routes. They also have to be physically developed enough to block. They also need to be strong enough and determined enough and technique-sound enough to be good at ball security.
True, we don’t have anyone among the young backs … at this stage … that’s as good as former Clemson RB Chez Mellusi is as a super senior at Wisconsin here in 2024.
But Jay Haynes looks as good as a rFR as did Mellusi at that stage in Mellusi’s career. It’s too early to project Eziomume. Neither Gideon Davidson nor Marquis Henderson are in college.
Remember that Travis Etienne was a 3* RB.
Remember that 5* RB Tavien Feaster, who was a good back, was hardly a great back.
Relax a little bit.
Unless the team is UGA or Bama or TX or OH State, the portal can hurt a team’s overall team stability than it helps.
Finally, Clemson does not get into bidding wars that it can’t win anyway vs wealthier schools like the aforementioned. For us to compete, there MUST be a non-monetary and non-Final Four near-certainty for us to compete for many high end recruits. Culture IS the differentiating advantage for us. Whatever the exigency in recruiting, we cannot squander that unless we are willing to sink to NC State / VA Tech / Wisconsin esque mediocrity (from a long term perspective).
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Sep 29, 2024, 7:59 AM
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The X-factor is Dabo’s people standard. Lot’s of great players he “could “ get, but won’t bring in because they don’t fit his vision as Clemson guys. You guys see the number of offers UGA and Alabama throw out every year, then see the corilating problems they put up with later.
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Sep 29, 2024, 9:02 AM
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The X-factor is Dabo’s people standard. Lot’s of great players he “could “ get, but won’t bring in because they don’t fit his vision as Clemson guys. You guys see the number of offers UGA and Alabama throw out every year, then see the corilating problems they put up with later.
You mean like players that get caught with guns on campus and still get to stay on the team? Oh wait, that was at Clemson under Dabo. Stop acting like every player that comes to Clemson is a choirboy because that is not true and it shouldn’t be.
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Re: Dabo is gonna have to bite the bullet and hit the portal
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Sep 29, 2024, 10:02 AM
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Apples and Oranges in the grand scheme in comparing behavioral issues overall.
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Rival Killer [3072]
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Sep 29, 2024, 7:18 PM
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I hate to tell you, but if we don't start using the portal we're never gonna sniff another natty because other elite teams aren't having to break in talent, there just plugging it in. I don't want a complete roster overhaul like FSU, but I would like to address the glairing issues ala DE and RB.
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Re: Dabo is gonna have to bite the bullet and hit the portal
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Sep 29, 2024, 8:32 PM
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Once principles are breached, there becomes huge chance that they cannot be restored … at least as far as reputation is concerned.
If Clemson starts discarding the development of players who came to us as HS recruits in exchange for portal players who may turn out to be OK, but not super stars, then the exodus rate of good (valuable) players will ruin our well balance of age class3s. Those HS recruited players who stayed patiently on the bench for an additional year while they developed (refer to Demonte Capehart, Tre Williams, and Payton Page) … only to be supplanted by a portal guy who is only marginally better … will transfer out rather than be the next former HS recruit player who got tossed to the side so that Clemson could gamble it all in hopes (not certainty, but hopes) of reaching the Final Four.
Who knows? For you and many others, you think this is a good risk.
When it turns out to be another FL State type of success (they should have been in last season’s four team playoff based in an undefeated season in a Power Five conference) … followed by what has a real chance of a losing season … where will you be?
TCU two seasons ago is not a portal example, but is similar to the FSU scenario in that one spectacular year (2022) was followed by a mediocre year and an unimpressive start to the next year after that.
Where will you be?
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Re: Dabo is gonna have to bite the bullet and hit the portal
Sep 30, 2024, 5:55 PM
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Game Changer [1732]
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Sep 29, 2024, 1:07 AM
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I agree about DE. Woods needs to move back inside. IMO Haynes has looked good, we have a couple high upside commits and Eze has high upside. I think we’ll be fine at RB.
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Re: Dabo is gonna have to bite the bullet and hit the portal
Sep 29, 2024, 8:40 PM
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Peter Woods, based on what we saw in the UGA game, was the single best player in the game (both teams) … despite playing ‘out of position.’
Peter Woods will be a high first round draft pick after the 2025 season, after playing DE all year in 2025, as long as he stays healthy. In the 3 man defensive line front, Peter Woods will be a star at DE in the NFL, also.
(*). We very much need for 2025 4* recruit Ari Watford and RS’ing former HS 4* recruit Darien Mayo to work out, though.
Hoeffler and J.Lawson are developing into useful backup DEs that will get plenty of important snaps, which all good DLs need.
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Re: Dabo is gonna have to bite the bullet and hit the portal
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Sep 29, 2024, 1:12 AM
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He built it.
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Dont we have the #3 and #18 RBs in the nation
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and the #4 edge player in the nation for 2025 committed?
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Orange Blooded [2512]
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Re: Dabo is gonna have to bite the bullet and hit the portal
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Sep 29, 2024, 5:51 AM
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The portal is definitely the answer. Ask Florida state.
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Might as well throw LB in there too.
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Sep 29, 2024, 6:54 AM
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Sammy is great, but Woodaz and Carter wont be around. I'd say LB is more urgent than RB.
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We have the #28 ranked LB (4*) in the country committed.***
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Re: Dabo is gonna have to bite the bullet and hit the portal
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Get off this website...you must be crazy...the two biggest portal users are failures FSU & Ole Missed! Let's get on that train...With Woods and Cape hart healthy well be fine! Take a chill pill!
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Re: Dabo is gonna have to bite the bullet and hit the portal
Sep 29, 2024, 11:19 AM
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I've been here for years and years brother. I'm not asking for a team overhaul. I'm asking for a elite RB and DE to polish the team and give us a legitimate shot.
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Re: Dabo is gonna have to bite the bullet and hit the portal
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Dabo has already solved that problem by bringing in the #3 rb in Davidson and the #6 edge rusher in Watford. BTW VZ will be ready when the time comes.
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Re: Dabo is gonna have to bite the bullet and hit the portal
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The issue is not using the portal as Dabo has shown he is willing as he made several portal offers last off season. The issue is you want guys who are a talent upgrade but those guys require a big upfront NIL payment which Dabo will not entertain. Perhaps we find a late blooming DE from a small school but the all world type you desire is not gonna happen.
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Don’t you ever get tired of talking about the portal. It’s like you are obsessed with it. The portal is for losers like the COOTS and Florida State. And you. Stick the portal up your #### .
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Re: Dabo is gonna have to bite the bullet and hit the portal
Sep 29, 2024, 9:00 AM
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If Cade leaves? Where the heck is he going? He’s had 3 quality games.
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Re: Dabo is gonna have to bite the bullet and hit the portal
Sep 29, 2024, 8:46 PM
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CK2 won't leave earlynfornthe NFL (arm strength limitations).
He won't portal-out unless Vizz beats him out soundly before start of 2025 season. That's possibly, but very unlikely.
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Orange Blooded [2497]
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Re: Dabo is gonna have to bite the bullet and hit the portal
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Wow! Taking a great last three games and digging deep to make a negative.
OL is much improved. WRs are bringing it. Cade is scanning the field and creating opportunities, not to mention made two great TD runs in the last two weeks. Sometimes you just need to stop and embrace the goodness of the present!
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Re: Dabo is gonna have to bite the bullet and hit the portal
Sep 29, 2024, 11:15 AM
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Give it a break. Dabo is not going to the portal. It’s just not the way he does things.
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Re: Dabo is gonna have to bite the bullet and hit the portal
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Why do people think Dabo is against the portal and not using it. He has set parameters in place and try’s to use it based on how he thinks it can help the team. They are active in it, but it’s hard. Also if the NIL oayment stuff gets figured out, he will have a larger war chest to use if he chooses…. I hate when folks say he refuses to use it……. Just not true
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Re: Dabo is gonna have to bite the bullet and hit the portal
Sep 29, 2024, 8:55 PM
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Inattentive Clemson fans have trouble grasping that most portal centric teams engage in tampering with players on other teams in order to get a head start on establishing relationships with potential portal players.
I say ‘potential’ portal players because many of them were not known by their coaching staff to have been unhappy. The tampering school ‘enlightens’ the player at his current school into believing that stardom and a big stage to get his talents get recognized exists ALONG WITH a big NIL payout.
By the time that the player enters the portal and Clemson says ‘hello, we’re Clemson, listen to what we have to offer,’ the kid is already 90% into deciding between OH State, MI, Bama, TX, USC, or UGA.
Not surprisingly, we don’t get those players.
As for the left-over portal players, Dabo doesn’t pursue many of those guys.
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Re: Dabo is gonna have to bite the bullet and hit the portal
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OP - Dabo has hit the portal as you said. The player has to say: "yes" to your offer.
People don't seem to understand that right now; you only have 85 scholarships. If there is a full class coming in. And, you have players "not leaving early for the NFL" where is he supposed to fit in a portal player? Some schools are now choosing to "run players off" who in their estimation aren't performing. But, Dabo isn't built like that.
Unless what people are really suggesting is: "Dabo should start running players out so he can bring in portal players to so called upgrade the roster"?
I don't see that happening. He takes commitment seriously.
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Re: Dabo is gonna have to bite the bullet and hit the portal
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Sep 29, 2024, 12:55 PM
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Fortunately you have no influence
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Some of you are totally infatuated with
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Sep 29, 2024, 1:04 PM
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the portal. Seems to me, we are doing just fine. If the perfect situation arrises thats a win for a portal player AND a win for the team, then it will happen. If not, then so be it. Please just shut up about it.
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Sep 29, 2024, 7:12 PM
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Are we doing fine? Because last time I checked were 100th in total Defense (13th in the ACC). We have no pass rush what so ever because we have ZERO depth at Defensive End. Sorry I like winning.
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Re: Some of you are totally infatuated with
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Are we doing fine? Because last time I checked were 100th in total Defense (13th in the ACC). We have no pass rush what so ever because we have ZERO depth at Defensive End. Sorry I like winning.
3-1 isn't winning?
Being ranked in the top 15 isn't winning?
What portal DE out there would have made an impact for us? Because, let's say Clemson offered them, "they still have to say yes, and agree to come to Clemson"!
Banking on being able to get a portal player; when you're pockets aren't as deep as others is unwise!
What player do you have in mind that would be making this big difference for Clemson this year? I want to look up their stats so far this season.
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Re: Some of you are totally infatuated with
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I mean take a look at what Kyle Kennard is doing down at South Carolina.
Interesting!
So, based off what he did at Georgia Tech then, you would say offer this player? Based off what?
See below.
https://ramblinwreck.com/roster/kyle-kennard/
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Re: Some of you are totally infatuated with
Sep 29, 2024, 9:06 PM
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clbyers is a hindsight genius.
S.Carolina went for K.Kennard because they didn’t have ANY good starting team options at DE. They were desperate for anyone.
Clemson has Peter Woods (played brilliantly at DE against UGA, with one mistake of inexperience [lost contain on a 1st Qtr running play]) and TJ Parker … both of whom are elite talents.
Kyle Kennard would have offered to come to Clemson as a non-NIL transfer for Clemson to have taken him … based on his playing history at GA Tech. Sure, he would have gotten a scholarship. He was then assured of being a backup to Woods and Parker.
Again, 8n hindsight, S.Carolina looked good in this portal deal. In foresight, it made zero sense for either Clemson or Kennard.
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Re: Dabo is gonna have to bite the bullet and hit the portal
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Haynes looks promising to me at RB.
DE might be a need, like the kid from last year Mayo and the kid committed Watford reminds me of Ricky Sapp.
I doubt Cade gets better than a 3rd or 4th round grade back, very unlikely he leaves early imo.
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Rival Killer [3072]
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Re: Dabo is gonna have to bite the bullet and hit the portal
Sep 29, 2024, 8:11 PM
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There just isn't a back on the roster that I would feel comfortable with being the starter if Mafah got hurt for an extended period of time. We just flat out haven't recruited well at RB.
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There just isn't a back on the roster that I would feel comfortable with being the starter if Mafah got hurt for an extended period of time. We just flat out haven't recruited well at RB.
https://247sports.com/Player/David-Eziomume-46130444/
Jay Haynes was a high 3-star.
Keith Adams and Mafah were #1 and #2 in Georgia in rushing yards before Adams transferred out to Utah. Likely hurting his recruiting ranking. His 5'9 didn't help him there either; but he was very productive in top level football.
Here is the thing - "you can't get them all"!
Never will.
The years we won it all - we didn't have a top 5 class either year Freshman through Graduate student composite. 16 we were outside the top 10 @#11 composite. It was a bit better in 18 coming in at #8.
How you use what you have. And, my question to you is, how is it teams who have few if any 5 or even 4-star players are they able to compete in the SEC? Not all of the SEC schools are loaded with 4 and 5 star players at every position. The majority of players in college are 3-star players. And all that means is: "scouts thought they were college capable players who would not step on campus day 1 and contribute"! But, fortunately, unless you are depending on them right away, you can wait for that development.
Biggest thing is: Clbyers - that player has to want to come to Clemson.
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Orange Beast [6575]
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Re: Dabo is gonna have to bite the bullet and hit the portal
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Sep 29, 2024, 8:00 PM
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He has hit the portal three times and got outbid. Dabo is not going to tamper so he has to go for the very few good players that enter the portal legally. I have been very frustrated with the guy the past few seasons but, not over the portal. Read his response from today on how his relationship with DJ. He cannot even communicate with him or it is considered tampering.
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National Champion [8071]
TigerPulse: 100%
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Re: Dabo is gonna have to bite the bullet and hit the portal
Sep 29, 2024, 9:09 PM
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He has hit the portal three times and got outbid. Dabo is not going to tamper so he has to go for the very few good players that enter the portal legally. I have been very frustrated with the guy the past few seasons but, not over the portal. Read his response from today on how his relationship with DJ. He cannot even communicate with him or it is considered tampering.
That's exactly right.
And, what kind of frustrates me when people talk out of ignorance on the subject.
The players "have to say yes to Clemson"! I.E. it can't just be we want you; so we get you. We can ask for their services; but if someone else has peaked their interest for whatever rea$$$$$$$$$on they end up there.
Dabo can't make them choose Clemson; geez people.
Very deliberate about who and how many he brings in YES. But, never tried and never looked, is a 100% lie.
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Paw Warrior [4830]
TigerPulse: 100%
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Re: Dabo is gonna have to bite the bullet and hit the portal
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Sep 30, 2024, 6:11 PM
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I don’t want Dabo to leave.
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