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Dabo - and the downfall of his program
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Dabo - and the downfall of his program

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Jan 10, 2023, 2:28 PM

I think the thing that irritates Clemson fans the most is that his downfall is most self induced. He purposely sank the ship doing things the way they were done 10 years ago.

I hate what college football has become. Pay for play. All of it. The problem is I cannot do a #### thing about it, and Dabo cannot either. He is trying to push this agenda to save college football, but there is no going back.

These are professional athletes now. All of them, and they should be treated as such. No more we commit for 4-5 years. I wish we could, but if your competition is going out and essentially putting together an all star team while you hope that your 19 year old redshirt freshmen pans out

That is a problem.

Everything is self induced, and I hate to say it but we did not adapt with the environment. Now we have to pay for it.

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Re: Dabo - and the downfall of his program

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Jan 10, 2023, 2:32 PM

You had me until you said purposely......but you did make some good points in your post.

After what Dabo just witnessed last night from Georgia, I think he now understands What Has To Be Done and will become better at it than anyone in the Country.

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I just want Dabo's Hunger Back.

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Jan 10, 2023, 3:16 PM

The Team, to me, feels entitled & complacent. You have to earn your position in the country. Nobody is going to give crap, as a matter of fact, you have to leave No Doubt because you're in the ACC and we get no respect. If we had any respect we would higher ranked than FSU.

LET'S GO TIGERS GET THAT HUNGER BACK!

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Re: I just want Dabo's Hunger Back.

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Jan 10, 2023, 7:45 PM

cu81grad said:

The Team, to me, feels entitled & complacent. You have to earn your position in the country. Nobody is going to give crap, as a matter of fact, you have to leave No Doubt because you're in the ACC and we get no respect. If we had any respect we would higher ranked than FSU.

LET'S GO TIGERS GET THAT HUNGER BACK!



We lost 2 out of our last 3. No disrespect we earned it.

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Hunger is defined by purpose

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Jan 10, 2023, 8:05 PM [ in reply to I just want Dabo's Hunger Back. ]

I understand Dabo is not fond of where CFB is currently, payers now being LEGALLY paid. The portal. He's not been willing to engage the current landscape. That's fine. But, he's making roughly 11 million per year to be elite.

We haven't seen elite moves from his coaching style decisions since CFB has changed. I love some Dabo. But one can't toot out of both sides of the horn. He's banking on his salary, Harley commercials, restaurants etc.

Something has to give.

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For relaxing times, make it Suntory time


So you really think we can pin our 3 losses on

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Jan 10, 2023, 8:17 PM

the portal and "elite" moves?

I tend to think, and objectively so, the root cause of the last two seasons not living up to expectations was tied to one thing and one thing only. Starts with a Q and ends in a K.

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You can't blame it on Qualk***

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Jan 12, 2023, 9:55 AM



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Re: So you really think we can pin our 3 losses on


Jan 12, 2023, 3:58 PM [ in reply to So you really think we can pin our 3 losses on ]

Natty2023 said:

the portal and "elite" moves?

I tend to think, and objectively so, the root cause of the last two seasons not living up to expectations was tied to one thing and one thing only. Starts with a Q and ends in a K.


I don't understand why a "Quick kick" was the source of the Tigers downfall. DJU5 only did one quick kick, IMO. Did you consider those passes thrown to the turf to be quick kicks? Asking for a friend.

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He didn’t purposefully do it… He thought his way would continue to work

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Jan 10, 2023, 2:33 PM

Combined the changes with two incredibly questionable coaching promotions, and it’s a recipe for the slide we are on

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When you limit almost all your hires to ex-players

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Jan 10, 2023, 2:40 PM

and friends, you are intentionally excluding a large talent pool.

What did Mickey Conn ever do to deserve to be defensive coordinator? Was it being a decent high school coach or did it have more to do with being Dabo's friend? Serious question.

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Dabo fully expected all of his moves to be genius

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Jan 10, 2023, 2:42 PM

He really did think Goodwin would be fantastic and he really did think Streeter was the answer, and he really did think DJU was a Heisman candidate, and he really did think we had a fantastic wide receiver coach…

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correct.....that was his ignorance/loyalty/naivety....

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Jan 10, 2023, 2:48 PM

that has this boat still on track for the iceberg..........the warning signs were there after LSU 2019, but he and the fanbase were and still are blind to reality without seeing the big picture.

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That's bullcrap. What signs are you talking about in regards


Jan 10, 2023, 7:51 PM

to playing for a national championship but losing to perhaps the best college team of all time?

You seem awfully disingenuous and ignorant.

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Re: That's bullcrap. What signs are you talking about in regards


Jan 12, 2023, 9:57 AM

Our 2018 team was better than the 2019 LSU team. We were up until the end of the second quarter. And the 2019 defense wasn't a shadow of 2018. It was basically Simmons trying to be everywhere at once.

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Re: That's bullcrap. What signs are you talking about in regards


Jan 12, 2023, 1:31 PM

That LSU team was just flat out better. Say what you want. You are wrong.

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Re: Dabo fully expected all of his moves to be genius

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Jan 10, 2023, 3:06 PM [ in reply to Dabo fully expected all of his moves to be genius ]

Venables was the DC against LSU.

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Re: Dabo fully expected all of his moves to be genius


Jan 10, 2023, 6:59 PM

NCtyger said:

Venables was the DC against LSU.


Venables has already made his mark at Oklahoma. It was 49-0 against his arch rival Texas. That broke the all time record for margin of victory in 118 games. Let that sink in. I thought LSU was a debacle - 629 yards of offense by the Bengal Tigers (another record for the playoff championship game). It got worse. The Bucknuts then dropped 638 yards on the Tigers the year following. BV has had his share of belly flops. 1 more losing season at OU and he will canned. 6-7 is not Oklahoma football.

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Jan 12, 2023, 9:20 AM [ in reply to Dabo fully expected all of his moves to be genius ]

I’m so confused, everybody’s talking about a slide for the last three years, but blaming the coordinators that have been in position for one year. And while we’re on that, the OC that’s been in position for one year, created significant improvements in almost every category. But hey, let’s blame him for the last three years… know your facts people.

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Re: Dabo fully expected all of his moves to be genius

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Jan 12, 2023, 9:56 AM [ in reply to Dabo fully expected all of his moves to be genius ]

Thankfully he never REALLY did think that the fan base at Clemson would become a bunch of sniveling little CRY BABIES when he took the job or Clemson would NOT have won 2 NATTIES in the last 10 years!!! Pathetic

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Re: When you limit almost all your hires to ex-players

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Jan 10, 2023, 2:44 PM [ in reply to When you limit almost all your hires to ex-players ]

Conn is really a question the safeties were not very good this season

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Did Conn have zero college experience before Clemson?

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Jan 10, 2023, 2:58 PM

Must be a lot easier to recruit against Clemson with all these coaches with little to no experience.

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looks like he had a little at bama

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Jan 10, 2023, 3:01 PM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mickey_Conn

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Geville Tiger on Clemson football , "Dabo's only problem is he has to deal with turd fans questioning every move he makes.”


stand corrected he was a grad assistant


Jan 10, 2023, 3:23 PM

for a couple or years.

Honestly, would not care if his only experience was pop warner if the defense had looked good under his watch.

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LOL. So Conn was the reason we lost 3 games and "only" finished 28th in defense?


Jan 10, 2023, 8:07 PM

You just keep throwing crap at the wall, hoping it sticks.

Waiting on your detailed breakdown. Please leave your feelings and emotions out of the equation, and provide your objective reasons why Conn, Goodwin, or Streeter were the reason we lost 3 games.

I'll give you a couple hints - those were DBs getting burned vs Tennessee, not safeties, and Conn doesn't coach DBs. Too, the old QB is precisely the root cause of a struggling offense.

Please consider these things in your objective breakdown. Thank you.

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Re: stand corrected he was a grad assistant

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Jan 12, 2023, 9:47 AM [ in reply to stand corrected he was a grad assistant ]

Told my clemson buddies the replacements for Dan Brooks and Marion Hobby were lackluster at best. That's when the decline on D started. Reed is a good coach, and safeties were taken from him and given to Conn. Ya'll keep talking about QB, but QB play greatly improved this year. Your D did not. Nobody fears that DL anymore. It sure seemed like KJ, Murphy, XT and Breese would just pick up where the power rangers left off. But they weren't in the same ballpark.

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Nah. The DBs were the ones getting waxed in coverage.***


Jan 10, 2023, 7:52 PM [ in reply to Re: When you limit almost all your hires to ex-players ]



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You must not have watched the OB***


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Re: When you limit almost all your hires to ex-players

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Jan 10, 2023, 3:07 PM [ in reply to When you limit almost all your hires to ex-players ]

What did Dabo do to deserve being hired as a head coach? Was it being a decent WR Coach or did somebody just see the potential?
Serious question.
Maybe there is more to the story than people see on the surface.

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Re: When you limit almost all your hires to ex-players

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Jan 10, 2023, 3:10 PM

Dabo worked his ### off at multiple big time programs failing and failing until finally he learned what it took.

I think he ultimately struggles with the morality of all of this. He looks at these kids like his own. The rest of college football and the players themselves see themselves as a commodity.

So I personally think he is wrestling with it, and having to come to terms that he is now a professional coach and his players are professionals.

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Jan 10, 2023, 6:30 PM

“ Dabo worked his ### off at multiple big time programs failing and failing until finally he learned what it took. ”

Multiple big time programs??? When did 2 become multiple?? Where did he fail?

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Cool story, bro. Unfortunately for you, nothing you said has anything to do

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Jan 1, 2022, 9:59 PM [ in reply to Re: When you limit almost all your hires to ex-players ]

with losing 3 games this year.

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Re: Cool story, bro. Unfortunately for you, nothing you said has anything to do


Jan 12, 2023, 10:56 PM

Dabo says, Hold My Sweet Root Beer!

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Re: When you limit almost all your hires to ex-players


Jan 10, 2023, 8:17 PM [ in reply to Re: When you limit almost all your hires to ex-players ]

Very fair comment, Palmetto. I wholeheartedly agree. Doesn't change anything, but that battle has been ongoing for CDS.

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Re: When you limit almost all your hires to ex-players


Jan 10, 2023, 3:42 PM [ in reply to When you limit almost all your hires to ex-players ]

Dabo was a GA at Alabama when Conn played so I would chalk it up to being friends.

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Re: When you limit almost all your hires to ex-players

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Jan 10, 2023, 4:13 PM [ in reply to When you limit almost all your hires to ex-players ]

In the past I would normally defend Dabo, but the Conn hire left me scratching my head, this seems like giving an old buddy who wasn’t qualified at all a big salary.

However in all honesty, if I was in his position , and playing with house money, I’d probably hire a couple of my old buddies.

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Yeah, maybe I would too. Problem is when it comes to firing


Jan 12, 2023, 8:46 AM

time...not a good position to be in, yikes!

My brother worked for me once, and it was a disaster.

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Jan 12, 2023, 12:40 PM [ in reply to Re: When you limit almost all your hires to ex-players ]

You would hire your underqualified buddies coming off a NC and being one of the top programs in the country??

I think the bigger question is can Dabo punch down? He thrives punching up...thrives as the underdog. But he made it to the top seems like immediately changed philosophies on hiring assistants. It happens. I've been around CEOs that thrive in a turnaround. But they're not so good running established organizations. When there's nothing else to fix, they lose focus. And I've been around some that are really good at keeping things rolling, but not good when adversity hits.

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Can you, in your own dumping words, explain

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Jan 10, 2023, 7:49 PM [ in reply to When you limit almost all your hires to ex-players ]

how Goodwin or Streeter caused our 3 losses this year?

By the way, Conn was a coach during our two national championships. He's not a problem.

I anxiously await your technical breakdown supporting your dumping theory about coaches. Thanks in advance.

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Re: Can you, in your own dumping words, explain

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Jan 12, 2023, 12:44 PM

Sure.

Goodwin took an extremely talented defense and made them look average against bad competition and below average against decent competition. That one is fairly easy

Streeter's offense is about the most pedestrian JV trash can scheme in all of college football, and other programs are starting to essentially say as much about him. Recruits are choosing not to play in this scheme that basically lets you die a slow death with no turnovers and an absolute bludgeoning with turnovers

Streeter is hands down one of the worst coordinators in all of college football based off what he has available and what he has produced.

Goodwin is just trying to learn and is not qualified for the position...but at least he is "learning on the job" which sucks...because this position should not be a training position

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The coaching promotions are NOT why we lost 3 games this year.

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Jan 10, 2023, 7:46 PM [ in reply to He didn’t purposefully do it… He thought his way would continue to work ]

And neither is the NIL or the portal.

Insert a good QB for the last two years, and it's not a stretch to say we're undefeated in one or both seasons. Regardless, Goodwin and Streeter have been in their roles for 1 season, and neither of them is why we lost 3 games.

By the way, we were better this year than last. That kills the whole "slide" notion.

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Re: He didn’t purposefully do it… He thought his way would continue to work


Jan 11, 2023, 10:11 PM [ in reply to He didn’t purposefully do it… He thought his way would continue to work ]

Yes it is!

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Re: Dabo - and the downfall of his program

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Jan 10, 2023, 2:36 PM

Lmfao ???

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I wouldn't say "purposely".....I would say stubbornly

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Jan 10, 2023, 2:36 PM

I don't think he "purposely" did anything with ill-intent against Clemson. I do think he's dead set on waiting for College football to change their ways (which will NOT happen) and the indirect cost of that is us slipping a little each year further from "elite" status that we once were in 2015-2018 era of Clemson football.

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Re: I wouldn't say "purposely".....I would say stubbornly

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Jan 10, 2023, 2:48 PM

Yea, I can agree with that

Stubbornly would be a better way to say that.

Dude is just stuck in his ways. It doesn't make him wrong in what he believes. I personally believe he is right and all of this other stuff is ruining college football.

Its just going to be impossible to compete these days and not treat the players all like free agents every single year.

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Dabo needs to control what he can control......

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Jan 10, 2023, 2:54 PM

but he refuses to do so. He's waiting on CFB to go back to what it was........not happening.


if South Carolina can use the portal to benefit them and beat us........then we can use and find benefit in the portal.

if we're paying Dabo a top 2-3 Coach salary in the country then we can "afford" a top tier staff DABO needs to do that.

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Re: Dabo needs to control what he can control......


Jan 10, 2023, 3:07 PM

Venables and Tony Elliott were the DC and OC against LSU and the OSU and Alabama blow outs. We lost BTW.

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Re: Dabo needs to control what he can control......

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Jan 10, 2023, 3:19 PM

I can take a blowout to the best offensive unit we have seen in the history of college football. I am not saying you cannot get blown out.

That LSU team was just phenomenal. No shame in that blowout.

Trying to compare games like that to the teams we played this season is laughable.

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We were 8-0 until Notre Dame.

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Jan 10, 2023, 7:58 PM [ in reply to I wouldn't say "purposely".....I would say stubbornly ]

What did Dabo "stubbornly" to cause any losses this year or last. Please explain your theory. No more empty words, please.

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Re: Dabo - and the downfall of his program

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Jan 10, 2023, 2:36 PM

Heard Georgia has a good program with a coach who isn’t stupid and isn’t driving the program off of a cliff on purpose

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"These are professional athletes now."

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Jan 10, 2023, 2:37 PM

then donate more money to NIL to pay for these professionals

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If I win the lottery tonight …


Jan 10, 2023, 2:45 PM

I will use $2 million to fund a NIL in perpetuity.

Now how does this NIL thing work?

I may just do $500 handshakes. Seems easier,??

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humble request . Can you make it in paw stamped $2 bills ?

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Jan 10, 2023, 2:48 PM

that would be awesome

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Re: If I win the lottery tonight …


Jan 10, 2023, 3:11 PM [ in reply to If I win the lottery tonight … ]

A $2 million fun will only pay out $100,000 a year and that will not get you very far.

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pretty sure it would get him better seats than i have***


Jan 10, 2023, 3:14 PM



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Mark me down as...

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Jan 10, 2023, 2:41 PM

not irritated.

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"I've played multiple sports and would bet any amount that I'm still more athletic than you at this present time...."


Re: Dabo - and the downfall of his program


Jan 10, 2023, 2:42 PM

Maybe instead of NIL and transfer portal, they should have kept all the rules the same with the exception of one. Like the NBA, if a player wants to go professional and make money then let them leave after their first year of college. This way, you don't need NIL incentives because if the athlete is good enough they can just turn professional. And if you do have athletes in need where NIL helps, they maybe let NIL exist as long as they can't touch it unless they graduate and if they do leave early make them pay back their scholarship.

This might help eliminate some of the games being played and the bidding wars that are occurring as a result of the lack of any rules enforcement.

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Re: Dabo - and the downfall of his program

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Jan 10, 2023, 2:45 PM

Downfall? I thought we won 11 games and a conference championship this year but maybe I dreamed it. I believe we also had another top 10ish recruiting class and a few guys comming back to make 17 starters returning next year. Do you know how many fanbases would kill for this type of downfall?

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Re: Dabo - and the downfall of his program

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Jan 10, 2023, 2:47 PM

This is not a loaded question but I am curious as to your response. Are you "happy" with our season this year and did it live up to your expectations?

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Re: Dabo - and the downfall of his program

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Jan 10, 2023, 2:53 PM

I would not say this season lived up to expectations, no.

1. Loaded defense that did not perform
2. QB situation was mishandled
3. OC scheme was high school level predictable, and we still cannot complete a pass over 15 yards with any consistency
4. The ACC was a circus, and anyone with a pulse could have won it. Unfortunately, we were the only team outside of FSU with a pulse. That FSU win was probably the highlight of the season
5. Coordinators learning on the job with Dabo constantly having to meet with offensive unit, defensive unit, and even special teams. He cannot do it all, and I think he knows he screwed up with these hires.

I could see years where 11-3 was tremendous, but this year was just not that.

Going to be some tough conversations to have over the next year if things do not get better

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Jan 10, 2023, 3:00 PM [ in reply to Re: Dabo - and the downfall of his program ]

I am not sure any top tier college football program fan base would be happy with this season. I am sure some programs that are struggling to win consistently would be.

In a season you lost to

1. An average at best rival
2. An average UT team that lost its QB and best WR (UT this year was a top 20 team)
3. An average at best ND team

Basically anyone worth a crap on our schedule we lost to.....and bad.

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I had to look twice! I thought I was on FGF the way some

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Jan 10, 2023, 2:45 PM

people are acting. We win the eleven games, the ACC Championship and reading TNet makes me think the world is about to end. Lord help if we only win nine games next year!

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Re: I had to look twice! I thought I was on FGF the way some

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Jan 10, 2023, 2:57 PM

Where do you think the bar is where we should be dissatisfied? Is it a single-digit win season and no championship?

I guess another way to ask it is, what is the minimum level of expectation that we should have for the program in order for it to still be considered a successful season?

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Re: I had to look twice! I thought I was on FGF the way some

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Jan 10, 2023, 6:55 PM

If the team is not winning at min, 10 games and not playing at least for ACC champ game 2 seasons straight. You might need to seriously start side eyeing things, cause that means something in the cookies ain't right. But when you Look at Clemson output over the last 8 or so yrs. With that type of output, consistent 10 win seasons, knocking on the semi's doors, playing in the semi's or playing for the natty all front loaded by a conference champ, name another school other than AL that would let that go.

With that output, if you let him go, who's gonna replace him? Cause whoever that would be, means out the gate, your consistently being CFP ranked top 3 or higher, and your winning natty's consistently not just playing for it.

Now, as a fan, am I happy about the teams play: No. Do I think we can do better: dadgum right. Am I ready to throw Dabo out with the bath water: HECK NO.

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Jan 10, 2023, 7:53 PM [ in reply to I had to look twice! I thought I was on FGF the way some ]


people are acting. We win the eleven games, the ACC Championship and reading TNet makes me think the world is about to end. Lord help if we only win nine games next year!


I’m just scrolling through laughing my ### off.
Same shizz different day.

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MEG


I love downfalls that end up with an ACC championship***

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Jan 10, 2023, 2:46 PM



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I'll tell you what's self induced.

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Jan 10, 2023, 2:51 PM

Its the negative horseshat you MF'ers are starting to actually believe by reading opinions of those with no credibility over and over and over and over and over again on the internet. It's sickening. This is the EXACT reason we are becoming more divided on many issues....so much false narrative being thrown around, and stupid people believe then repost.

Exactly what environment did we not adapt to?

We lost 3 games and won 11, and our QB situation was not very good. We were also not very good at WR.

Down(ish) year, at least by our recent standards? Ok, sure.

DOWNFALL OF A PROGRAM? Purposely sank the ship? GTFO with that stupid stuff, you big dummy.

How about this? Go find a level headed friend of yours. Someone that is not a CU nor USC fan, but someone that is reasonably intelligent about college football. Tell 'em your theory, then watch their reaction.

Remember when Texas A&M and USC won the national championship back in July? REMEMBER THAT? You know, cutting edge portal and NIL schools. Tulane and App st say hello!

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So I guess it's you, Juan, we should all be listening to?


Jan 10, 2023, 3:14 PM

Since none among us are experts.

Please enlighten us as to why you know more than any other "MF Tneters" you disagree with?

Or maybe, just maybe, contradict the supposed false narratives with actual informative, factual posts?

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No by all means don't listen to me other than when I


Jan 10, 2023, 3:19 PM

ask for people to be reasonable and stick with facts.

We won 11 games. We lost to the chickens. We did not win the CFP. We had a really bad game against TN and ND this year. All fact. It's not reasonable to correlate all of that to Dabo purposefully setting about the downfall of the program.

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Jan 10, 2023, 3:22 PM

Ive already stated that purposefully was likely the wrong word. I would just so he is so stubborn that he refuses to accept the reality that college football is basically NFL Minor Leagues now where there is no loyalty. Players want to get top dollar, Coaches want to win now.

He is basically an army of 1 trying to fight back a whole system that has let everyone down. I hope he somehow wins this battle and someone saves college football.

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Jan 10, 2023, 8:14 PM [ in reply to I'll tell you what's self induced. ]

Straight facts.

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Jan 10, 2023, 2:55 PM

The subject line caught my attention, thinking you were going to talk about loyalty (to players and coaches) to his fault - not saying this is the case, but debatable. I disagree with your "pay for play" take though. Once our recruiting starts failing, then I would say you have a point, but still in the top 10 in recruiting, getting some great talent at all positions. Development of that talent may be a different question. But Clemson losing 2 offensive coordinators and 1 defensive coordinator (all long time coaches at Clemson), appeared to have an impact.

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Not all positions


Jan 10, 2023, 3:00 PM

DL has still been good, RB and WR have not.

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Re: Not all positions

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Jan 10, 2023, 7:59 PM


DL has still been good, RB and WR have not.


Recruiting wise I would agree.

Current DL underachieved imo considering all the hype. Call it holding or injuries but we were manhandled at ND, and didn’t really put much pressure on the TN QB. 2 of the better OL’s we faced this year.


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Re: Dabo - and the downfall of his program


Jan 10, 2023, 3:05 PM [ in reply to Re: Dabo - and the downfall of his program ]

Rncox,

Big difference between proven college talent making 6-9 figures to play ball and the 17-18 year old 4 star high school kid.

Huge difference.

You are basically talking about grown NFL level talent vs. Johnny who was just at his senior dance 6 months ago.

Recruiting can stay right where it is at, and we would still fall behind.

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Jan 10, 2023, 3:18 PM [ in reply to Re: Dabo - and the downfall of his program ]

He didn’t even try to find the best possible replacements. The last 2 seasons wouldn’t bother people if he was at least trying to make the best hires and trying to use the portal. He is bucking reality and I think he wants to wait it out until the rules change back to what they were. His success has put these expectations on his program. He gets paid way to much to try and prove a point. I will always respect him and appreciate what he brought here. But he is wrong. He needs to either play the game or admit he doesn’t want to anymore. I wish he would wake up.

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The new coordinators are NOT why we lost 3 games.

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Jan 10, 2023, 8:20 PM

Period.

There's not an OC alive who could have gotten more out of the QB than Streeter did. DJ was what he was, period.

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Jan 12, 2023, 1:30 PM

Completely disagree. Our OC was also working with our QB. DJ completely regressed in his time here, and during that time Streeter decided the correct option was to essentially shut down the offense. Turn it into some late 90s monstrosity.

Streeter is to blame for that scheme that had zero chance of ever being successful AND SET US BACK IN TERMS OF WR RECRUITING/SKILL POSITION RECRUITING in the future

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Jan 10, 2023, 3:09 PM

Smart Clemson fans realize we will not win every game, every year. Fans that refuse to accept that fact have a tough time and that goes for every school that does not win whatever Championship they are shooting for. I really feel sorry for any fan that watched Georgia last night and honestly, somehow has talked himself into believing we could play with them. We were just not a Playoff team this year and that is not the end of football and most certainly not the end of the world.

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Jan 10, 2023, 3:35 PM

The problem is not that we weren’t world beaters the last 2 seasons. The problem is it’s obvious that the direction/future of this program for the long-term doesn’t look good UNLESS BIG changes are made. I’m not confident they will be unless Dabo dumps the stubbornness and gets with the new way of doing things. I think the new way sucks for college football but it is what it is. He must adapt. I don’t think I’m being negative just realistic.

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its amazing how some are

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Jan 10, 2023, 6:42 PM

oblivious to the clear decline

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Like what? Do you REALLY think you have a better pulse on the

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Jan 10, 2023, 8:09 PM

program than the head coach? Lemme guess, you think we would have won the last two national championships if we only had some portal players? That's pretty funny.

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Jan 10, 2023, 3:48 PM

It has been explained several times that Clemson alumni do not have the collective spending power of the big schools.

Referring numbers from another recent poster:

Clemson has ~ 115,000 living alumni. Clemson’s annual sports budget is ~ $ 50mm.

OH State has ~ 600,000 living alumni. OH State’s annual sports budget is ~ $150mm.

TX A&M has ~ 500,000 living alumni. TX A&M’s annual sports budget is ~ $150mm.

The problem isn’t ‘will to win’ or some other cornball cliche.

It is about (1) whether we can spend what money that we have more efficiently -&/or (2) whether we can expand upon our unique cultural attributes to partially offset some of our financial disadvantages.

The approach that you are suggesting is to abandon our cultural advantages. We should not do that.

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Jan 12, 2023, 12:48 PM

Clemson's annual sports budget is NOT $50 million.

The median athletic budget is over 123 million for Power 5 schools

Where did you get your numbers?

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Jan 10, 2023, 3:48 PM

Pay for Play / Portal blew a massive hole in Dabo's hugely successful philosophy. Unfortunately, these CFB landscape changes occurred rapidly. I believe the rate of change likely caught Dabo off guard. The program is at a turning point. I'm hoping for a "Vengeful Dabo" character arc that brings back the swagger. I do not have a good feeling though based on the 2nd half of the season.

Spurrier imploded the Coots in two seasons by refusing to adapt on the recruiting trail. The Clemson staff succeeded greatly during this recruiting era. Call it the "Social Media Era." Clemson's Media Team was also at another level during those years. Don't forget the new facilities during that era as well. CFB is two years into the "NIL Era" and the clock is ticking.

Dabo is very honorable in his Education, Culture, Development Ethos. Top recruits are mainly concerned about NIL and going to the League. Sadly, that is the way of the world and CFB today. Has the Clemson dial moved to far to the side of Culture? Will it find an equilibrium that enables elite status in this new era of CFB? Interesting Times.

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Hey Mods, your Maffs thingy for calculating pulse of a poast


Jan 10, 2023, 4:18 PM

is Fubar. 8/26 is just over 30%, not 42% It must be a bug.

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Jan 10, 2023, 4:24 PM

So we can’t be elite in the NFL minor league because Dabo is either too pure of heart and soul , or he is too stubborn and arrogant .
Either way, why the heck are we paying him 100 million?

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Jan 10, 2023, 4:35 PM

I agree with your post. I don't think "FAMILY" as a recruiting ploy is going to win us ACC championships or National Championships in the future with all the changes in college football. Whether he likes it or not Dabo needs to adapt to the changes.

And stop hiring 'friends" as coaches and recruiting players from Daniel High because they are good kids and friends of the family.

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Jan 10, 2023, 6:00 PM

Yep...

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Tell 'em coot, no one knows losing better than you

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Jan 10, 2023, 6:26 PM

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Jan 10, 2023, 6:31 PM

“Purposely sank the ship”.

This is message board genius material right here.

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Jan 10, 2023, 8:10 PM

Agreed Rhett.

From reading the board I believe a lot of you need to be hoping for a new head coach. It’s apparent Dabo is no longer your guy. #### I hope recruits don’t read this BS.


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Absolutely none of that is why we lost 6 games in two years.

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Jan 10, 2023, 7:42 PM

Not one single thing you said addresses the true root cause of the offensive struggles.

The "environment" is not why UGA just won the national championship either.

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Jan 10, 2023, 8:05 PM

“We” did you play football for Dabo?? If not then DABO brought Clemson 2 national championships and in return got on of the biggest cry baby fanbases in the country. I’ll stick with Dabo but totally fine if crybaby fans don’t

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Re: Dabo - and the downfall of his program


Jan 11, 2023, 10:48 PM

Well said.

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Re: Dabo - and the downfall of his program


Jan 12, 2023, 8:41 AM

The sky is falling, the sky is falling!

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Nice points


Jan 12, 2023, 1:26 PM

They didn't make sense at all, but that's because your coot education is showing. Here's a free TD.

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Re: Dabo - and the downfall of his program


Jan 12, 2023, 1:41 PM

Just a thought here.......but did ya ever wonder if there might be some method to Saban's madness when he has such tremendous turnover in coaches? Year after year the coaching staff changes, yet the performance is remarkable. Do you think Saban uses that turnover to achieve a constant sense or urgency? We do not see this at Clemson any longer and I just wonder of Saban, in his genius, creates the coaching turnover on purpose for this reason? He always seems to bring in a professional, experienced coach one after the other and it seems to keep things fresh and obviously works for them. I just wonder what the tradeoff is for "Familiarity" vs. "Complacency" in today's world of college football. Interesting thought.

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Re: Dabo - and the downfall of his program


Jan 12, 2023, 3:38 PM

On Saturday’s my daughter and I prepared food for the day and watched college football from noon until after midnight. Now she watches more soccer ( She is an excellent coach ) and we watch Clemson and the coots play to see if coots lose. Other than those 2 games we may watch all or part of another game.

Not being a coach as my profession it’s difficult to know how Dabo ran Clemson’s program in the ground. We had a great 10 year run accomplishing so much. We recruited some of the best WR’s in the country and back to back Once in a Generation QB’s. Looking over the entire landscape of college football I don’t see any team that has a group of players Dabo and his staff were able to lure to Clemson. Clemson was 2 deep without much drop off in talent.

I am not sure if it’s the new rules which includes NlL, the TP and conference realignment. I have coached kids but I don’t have enough football knowledge to accurately evaluate Dabo and his staff. I believe we need to find another Hunter Renfrow who brought Energy to the offense which other players fed off of. Tee Higgins and Mike Williams would have caught a lot of passes that were not caught the last 2 years.

IMO with the new rules Clemson may need to invest more money into the program to get back to the level of 2012-2019. And as others as well as myself believe being in the ACC hurts Clemson’s current recruiting. ESPN gives Bama and OSU and now UGA so much more TV time. And I think the priorities of recruits has changed. Education and learning life skills have taken a back seat to NIL opportunities. Even worse I think many parents priorities have changed as well. I have read articles where middle school athletes parents have started working with those who can market their kid for college scholarships with NIL opportunities. If this is the case, these changes I think have hurt Clemson’s recruiting. Kids are being directed to schools with large marketing opportunities. Kids want to play NOW rather than take the time to learn their position and develop as a player. I think they are looking for immediate exposure and immediate NIL opportunities. Basically it has come down to “it’s all about the $$$$$”. Maybe because Dabo has different priorities that worked well before NIL it has had a negative affect on the future of the program and bringing 5 star talent. I do think he has earned the right to try and get back to the mountain top.

Some of the HC’s that had a lot of success before NlL are have not been as successful in the new world of sports. Maybe we need some coaching changes, maybe it’s just going to take some time to get back to Elite Status. I don’t know enough about the inner workings of the football program to make a judgement of firing coaches. I am “ All Inn” and support Dabo and the coaches who are there. It’s Dabo’s call since he knows more about college and Clemson football than most of us do

But those all day Saturday’s are gone. Just great memories. Sometimes we end up falling asleep during a game.

I am interested in why you feel all the adversity that Clemson football is going through is all on Dabo. ???

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Yeah, he got mad at the fans and


Jan 12, 2023, 3:59 PM

He took our candy away.

Dabo, you made it to the big time. Constant criticism is something that comes with it, in any profession !

His ego sunk the ship. I don’t think he did it on purpose. He’s changed a lot and the humility from his early days of success is long gone.

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Jan 12, 2023, 11:37 PM

We dwarf the ACC in the amount of pay for play (NIL) and still can’t make the playoffs.

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Jan 15, 2023, 9:10 AM

Ignorant people are amazing to me.

Clemson will be in the playoffs next year and then what will you moan and complain about? The only downfall here is your chest into your expanding belly.

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