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Game Day Hero [4152]
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Coaching is never the problem.
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Oct 19, 2025, 5:42 PM
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It’s always the talent.
Nick Saban didn’t know more about football than everybody else. He just recruited better.
Anybody who knows the game knows this.
Stop complaining about the play calling especially. Makes you sound like my mother in law.
It’s about the jimmy’s and Joe’s not the X’s and O’s.
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Re: Coaching is never the problem.
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Oct 19, 2025, 5:50 PM
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Refreshing to hear. And all these years I thought coaches made adjustments and game plans around talent on hand and the talent of the other teams.
Thanks for the brilliant insight.
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Game Day Hero [4152]
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Re: Coaching is never the problem.
Oct 19, 2025, 6:01 PM
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Remember that catch Jordan Leggett made on 3rd and long to set us up first and goal to win the national championship?
Remember 4th and 16th against LSU?
Players make plays.
We would have won the national championship in 2018 no matter who was coaching.
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Re: Coaching is never the problem.
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Oct 19, 2025, 6:26 PM
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Who do you think called those plays and schemed appropriately to put us in the right positions to make those plays? And created the drills and practices that honed those skills to be able to pull those plays off?
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Head Coach [933]
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Re: Coaching is never the problem.
Oct 19, 2025, 6:27 PM
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Is that an answer to my adjustments comment? If so, it’s not tracking. But hey, let’s continue Clemson offense of no pre snap motion, no flow, no tempo, and just run the ball with a go route mixed in every third play.
Play calling means zero, right? Just let the d players decide on coverage schemes. Just run prevent D all the time.
No more practice either.
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Game Day Hero [4152]
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Re: Coaching is never the problem.
Oct 19, 2025, 6:48 PM
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You know more than a man who has won two national titles, I know.
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Clemson Icon [25975]
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Everything counts. But you're right about talent, it's the biggest issue.***
Oct 19, 2025, 5:51 PM
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Tiger Spirit [9816]
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Re: Coaching is never the problem.
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Oct 19, 2025, 5:53 PM
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With all due respect, you don’t have a freaking clue what you’re talking about. Ever play any sports? Football? Baseball? Soccer? Jai lai maybe?
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Head Coach [933]
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Re: Coaching is never the problem.
Oct 19, 2025, 6:01 PM
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I’m pretty sure I remember Al Bundy and him running the wishbone together in high school
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Top TigerNet [28437]
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Re: Coaching is never the problem.
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Oct 19, 2025, 6:09 PM
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Without helmets…
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Hall of Famer [8799]
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Re: Coaching is never the problem.
Oct 19, 2025, 5:56 PM
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Garrett that you??
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Re: Coaching is never the problem.
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Oct 19, 2025, 5:57 PM
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We had the most experienced team in the country starting the season and the 7th ranked most talented roster, and here we are at 3-4.
Coaching does matter and so does player development. Just ask Makuba if it matters.
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Game Day Hero [4152]
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Re: Coaching is never the problem.
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Oct 19, 2025, 6:01 PM
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“7th ranked most talented roster”
I didn’t know that was a thing.
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Re: Coaching is never the problem.
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Oct 19, 2025, 6:02 PM
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You’ve proven there’s a lot of things you don’t know…
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Top TigerNet [28437]
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Re: Coaching is never the problem.
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Oct 19, 2025, 6:05 PM
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“As of late August 2025, Clemson's roster was ranked the seventh most talented in college football by the 247Sports Team Talent Composite. The ranking is based on a metric that weighs the recruitment rankings of every player on a team's roster.”
HTH…
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Game Day Hero [4152]
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Re: Coaching is never the problem.
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Oct 19, 2025, 6:10 PM
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"recruitment rankings"
Do I really have to spell it out for you?
We've also crippled ourselves by not taking any portal players like everybody else the last few years.
The service academies are the only other schools that didn't use the portal.
If you think we've got the 7th best roster in college football you are dumber than I thought pal.
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Top TigerNet [28437]
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Re: Coaching is never the problem.
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Oct 19, 2025, 6:20 PM
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Where were you in the preseason and when we started the season ranked 4th in the country? Were you telling everyone else how dumb they were then and how smart you are?
You are a real clown, just like when you told everyone you were betting your rent money on a game we lost. How has living in the car been going?
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Game Day Hero [4152]
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Re: Coaching is never the problem.
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Oct 19, 2025, 6:27 PM
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We were ranked that high because we slipped into the playoffs last year and had a heisman QB who anybody who's watched him play knew he was probably not going to live up to the hype.
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Top TigerNet [28437]
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Re: Coaching is never the problem.
Oct 19, 2025, 6:29 PM
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Please share the post back in August where you let everyone know that because of how smart you are…
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Game Changer [2024]
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Re: Coaching is never the problem.
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Oct 19, 2025, 6:27 PM
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He just gave you facts about our "on paper" talent that you said was supposed to be all that mattered, and all you can respond with is that he's dumb? Congratulations on being a clown.
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Game Day Hero [4152]
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Re: Coaching is never the problem.
Oct 19, 2025, 6:31 PM
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We haven't had a top 10 class since 2021. There were 3 five stars in that class. Two are in the NFL, one has been hurt all season.
Please tell me more about all this talent we have.
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Game Changer [2024]
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Re: Coaching is never the problem.
Oct 19, 2025, 6:37 PM
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He just did. You completely disregarded it. "On paper", we have the 7th most talented roster based on each individual player's recruitment ranking coming out of high school.
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Game Day Hero [4152]
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Re: Coaching is never the problem.
Oct 19, 2025, 6:42 PM
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Considering we haven't had a top 10 class since 2021, and only one of the 5 star players from that class is still on the roster, and he's been hurt the entire season, I think my point still stands.
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Head Coach [933]
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Re: Coaching is never the problem.
Oct 19, 2025, 6:37 PM
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You just made fun of recruiting rankings in another comment, now you’re using them as proof we have no talent.
You aren’t really that dumb, are you?
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Game Day Hero [4152]
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Re: Coaching is never the problem.
Oct 19, 2025, 6:43 PM
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I'm just stating facts pal. Go look at the classes that Ohio St. and UGA bring in every year and let's compare.
But yea let's expect to compete for national championships every year against that. Laughable.
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Head Coach [933]
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Re: Coaching is never the problem.
Oct 19, 2025, 6:46 PM
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No, you aren’t. You are using rankings as a basis for recruits. Then saying that those exact same rankings are inaccurate to show we have the 7th best roster.
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Trainer [45]
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Re: Coaching is never the problem.
Oct 19, 2025, 6:53 PM
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(All stats per 247 Sports: https://247sports.com/season/2022-football/compositeteamrankings/)
Clemson's recruting rankings last 10 years:
2014 - 16th
2015 - 9th
2016 - 11th
2017 - 16th
2018 - 7th
2019 - 10th
2020 - 3rd
2021 - 5th
2022 - 10th
2023 - 11th
2024 - 11th
2025 - 26th
Clemson has never been a perennial high-ranking recruiter. At the peak of our recruiting prowess in 2020-2021, those players were not able to produce a national championship. Your recruiting argument is null and void.
Recruiting definitely matters. But you have to do something with 'em once you got 'em. That's coaching.
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Game Day Hero [4152]
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Re: Coaching is never the problem.
Oct 19, 2025, 6:49 PM
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Where is this ranking at?
I googled and got this:
The term "Clemson 7th ranked roster" is likely a misunderstanding, as the provided search results do not show a current 7th-ranked roster for Clemson. Instead, the search results indicate that in the 2025 preseason, Clemson was ranked in the top 10, while their 2025 recruiting class was ranked 26th
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Game Changer [2024]
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Game Day Hero [4152]
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Re: Coaching is never the problem.
Oct 19, 2025, 6:59 PM
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The two highest ranked recruits on the team didn't play last game...so there's that.
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Game Changer [2063]
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Game Changer [1768]
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You are clueless.***
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Clemson Sports Icon [54104]
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Cue the Dabo Cult saying that we just cant compete in NIL
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Oct 19, 2025, 6:01 PM
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and will always be at a talent deficit moving forward.
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Clemson Icon [25975]
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Can't say you didn't see it coming.***
Oct 19, 2025, 6:02 PM
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Game Day Hero [4152]
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Re: Cue the Dabo Cult saying that we just cant compete in NIL
Oct 19, 2025, 6:14 PM
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I'm certainly no Dabo homer, but your little brigade against him on this board is kind of pathetic. You seek every opportunity to downplay his success at Clemson, and I really just don't get it.
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All-In [10725]
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Re: Cue the Dabo Cult saying that we just cant compete in NIL
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Oct 19, 2025, 6:28 PM
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Judge Keller bad, Judge Keller mean really doesn’t have the ummph it used to ya know
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Game Changer [2024]
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Re: Cue the Dabo Cult saying that we just cant compete in NIL
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Oct 19, 2025, 6:32 PM
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I probably see about 80% less opposition to Judge on here than I used to a few years ago. Great point.
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So youre causing the players design and call their own plays? SMH ***
Oct 19, 2025, 6:04 PM
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National Champion [7162]
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Re: So youre SAYING the players design and call their own plays? SMH ******
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Re: So youre SAYING the players design and call their own plays? SMH ******
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Oct 19, 2025, 6:08 PM
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if you don't have great coaches and you come into college football play 4 years average player you going to leave the same way you come in coaches' matter a lot
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Game Day Hero [4152]
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Re: So youre causing the players design and call their own plays? SMH ***
Oct 19, 2025, 6:16 PM
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It's easy to call plays when you've got Deshaun Watson and Trevor Lawerence running them.
Tajh Boyd and Cade Klubnik? Not so much.
Our talent level right now doesn't come close to those national championship teams.
And that's on Dabo, but it's not coaching, it's roster management.
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Re: So youre causing the players design and call their own plays? SMH ***
Oct 19, 2025, 6:22 PM
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Do you think player development matters or they can just be as good as they are when they come in as Freshmen and we’ll be fine?
DJU was the second best quarterback in the country out of high school. How did that work out?
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Re: So youre causing the players design and call their own plays? SMH ***
Oct 19, 2025, 6:37 PM
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I think it's way more about drive and talent as an individual player.
Coaches at these top programs know plenty enough about the game that's it's not a scheme or fundamental issue, but rather a personel and leadership thing.
People who have played and coached the game know this. Leaders on the field like we had back on those 2016 and 2018 teams is what set them apart, not who was calling plays.
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Re: So youre causing the players design and call their own plays? SMH ***
Oct 19, 2025, 6:35 PM
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I guess Tajh being the fourth best total passing yard quarterback in the ACC at nearly 12,000 passing yards, doesn’t qualify as much of an accomplishment in this guy‘s mind.
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Game Day Hero [4152]
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Re: So youre causing the players design and call their own plays? SMH ***
Oct 19, 2025, 6:37 PM
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What was his record against ranked teams?
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Head Coach [933]
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Re: So youre causing the players design and call their own plays? SMH ***
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Oct 19, 2025, 6:40 PM
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You used 4th and 16 (a Tajh play) to tout talent as the only factor earlier
You’re horrible at debate
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Blsht. Several 5 stars that got worse at Clemson. Thats coaching.***
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Oct 19, 2025, 6:35 PM
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Game Day Hero [4152]
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Re: Blsht. Several 5 stars that got worse at Clemson. Thats coaching.***
Oct 19, 2025, 6:39 PM
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Which ones? We haven't had a top 10 class since 2021. Alabama, Georgia, and Ohio St. for comparison have had a TOP 5 class every single year in that same span.
Laughable that our fans expect us to compete with that and that Dabo has suddenly forgot how to coach.
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Head Coach [933]
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Re: Blsht. Several 5 stars that got worse at Clemson. Thats coaching.***
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Oct 19, 2025, 6:43 PM
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Again, your logic is all over the place. You deny recruiting rankings as a basis for our talent (7th) yet say it matters a ton.
Not a brilliant fella.
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Game Changer [2024]
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Re: Blsht. Several 5 stars that got worse at Clemson. Thats coaching.***
Oct 19, 2025, 6:46 PM
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Again, your logic is all over the place. You deny recruiting rankings as a basis for our talent (7th) yet say it matters a ton.
Not a brilliant fella.
This is guy is destroying your fallacies.
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Game Day Hero [4152]
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Re: Blsht. Several 5 stars that got worse at Clemson. Thats coaching.***
Oct 19, 2025, 6:51 PM
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I know he's so smart that he thinks if our roster is ranked 7th by god knows who and what that automatically mean we should finish 7th in the country or our coaches are idiots.
So insightful.
I've already pointed out that our highest ranked recruit on this team has been hurt all year. Or does that not factor in?
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Game Changer [2024]
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Re: Blsht. Several 5 stars that got worse at Clemson. Thats coaching.***
Oct 19, 2025, 7:45 PM
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I never said that. I am saying that we are squandering talent. Again: you tout rankings as if they mean everything in the case of uga, bama, osu. Yet the same services say we are 7th best on paper, and they aren’t.
If you want to claim “best player isn’t playing” Jeremiah Smith didn’t play for Bama. 5 star.
I think maybe you’re so inept at rational thought that you think a 10-12 ranked class in 4 straight years couldn’t possibly average to 7th in talent.
You can’t comprehend that math.
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Re: Blsht. Several 5 stars that got worse at Clemson. Thats coaching.***
Oct 19, 2025, 7:52 PM
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I am not the one that brought up the overall recruiting rankings.
Cade was ranked way higher than Deshaun as a recruit.
You gonna sit here and tell me he is as talented?
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Re: Blsht. Several 5 stars that got worse at Clemson. Thats coaching.***
Oct 19, 2025, 8:02 PM
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No. That would be as dumb as saying “UGA, Bama, OSU have been ranked top 5 recruiting and that matters. Unless it is Clemson. Our roster is ranked 7th overall talent wise but that doesn’t matter”
You’re not following at all. I just don’t think you’ve got the smarts to.
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Re: Blsht. Several 5 stars that got worse at Clemson. Thats coaching.***
Oct 19, 2025, 9:54 PM
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"Our roster is ranked 7th overall talent"
Overall talent based on high school recruiting rankings.
Some players go into college as a 3 star and enter the portal as a 4.
We don't use the portal though.
We do not have the 7th best roster in college football.
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Head Coach [933]
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Re: Blsht. Several 5 stars that got worse at Clemson. Thats coaching.***
Oct 19, 2025, 10:00 PM
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What part of them using hs recruiting rankings, not transfer rankings, do you not understand?
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Game Day Hero [4152]
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Re: Blsht. Several 5 stars that got worse at Clemson. Thats coaching.***
Oct 20, 2025, 9:10 AM
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That's the point. They are not factoring in the portal which has a major effect on the talent on our roster.
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Varsity [119]
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Re: Coaching is never the problem.
Oct 19, 2025, 6:38 PM
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so right!
the best recruiter we ever had lives in Clemson!
do what it takes to bring him back!
JEFF SCOTT !!!
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CU Guru [1555]
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Then fire the whole lot
Oct 19, 2025, 6:40 PM
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Because they aren’t bringing in the talent.
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Re: Coaching is never the problem.
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sorry to disagree with you bud, but Bama was always prepared. His practices maximize every second of the players' time. Sure, he had elite talent, but there weren't many head-scratching losses during his tenure, and it was because he demanded a lot from his players, and bent every rule possible to gain an advantage. We are ten years away from him hiring ex-coaches as "alaysts" to gain an edge, amoung many other things. He was the ultimate "CEO"
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Game Day Hero [4152]
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Re: Coaching is never the problem.
Oct 19, 2025, 6:55 PM
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"He was the ultimate "CEO"
Dabo was too. He's not bringing in the studs anymore though which has nothing to do with on the field coaching.
And it's only going to get worse as our last class ranked outside the top 25.
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Re: Coaching is never the problem.
Oct 19, 2025, 9:41 PM
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There is a reason Saban retired when NIL kicked in.
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National Champion [7959]
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Re: Coaching is never the problem.
Oct 19, 2025, 6:52 PM
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Absurd. We are one of the worst coached teams in the conference this season. Players on defense out of position and talented players like Woods and Parker on cruise control waiting on the draft. SMU was much coached in their schemes and adjustments and play calling than us. Louisville looks like one of the best coached teams in the nation. I’m afraid they will make us look bad.
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Game Changer [2063]
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Re: Coaching is never the problem.
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They're out of position cause of the lack of talent.
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Game Day Hero [4152]
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Re: Coaching is never the problem.
Oct 19, 2025, 7:00 PM
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I'm sure moontiger sees and knows way more than our defensive staff.
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Valley Protector [1452]
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Re: Coaching is never the problem.
Oct 19, 2025, 7:33 PM
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Great point. Let’s be the first to fire every position coach, assistant coach and graduate assistant then go buy the best class money can buy, and see how that works out.
Hot Diggity Dog - you my friend are a genuine genius! I’m sure once this brilliant logic spreads that coaching doesn’t matter AD’s will be firing staff all over the country come Monday morning.
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Orange Beast [6547]
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Water isn't wet either
Oct 19, 2025, 8:04 PM
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Perhaps football isn't your thing.
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Orange Beast [6433]
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Re: Coaching is never the problem.
Oct 19, 2025, 8:41 PM
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Tommy Bowden and Billy Napier say Hello
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Athletic Dir [1174]
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Re: Coaching is never the problem.
Oct 19, 2025, 9:13 PM
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Then why do sooo many on T-Net sing Dabo's praises? If its just the players and not the coaches that make a difference why dont we invest that 11 million a year on NIL and hire a cheap coach? Wouldn't that fix the problem?
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Paw Warrior [4925]
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Re: Coaching is never the problem.
Oct 19, 2025, 9:39 PM
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Just compare NFL teams payrolls coaches vs players. There is no better barometer of relative value. Players make more for a reason. Continuing to spend the majority of revenue on coaching staff and facilities is a losing strategy.
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110%er [3743]
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Re: Coaching is never the problem.
Oct 19, 2025, 9:50 PM
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So the Joes made the decision to go with this silly heavy package on 4th down making it clear to the defense what we were going to do?
Did the Joes make the decision not to take the 3 points and again fail on 4th down?
Did the Joes recruit or develop themselves?
I don’t necessarily disagree at the end of the day. It is a combo of both. The offensive line is killing us and there are quite a few holes on D.
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Tiger Cub [14]
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Re: Coaching is never the problem.
Oct 19, 2025, 10:40 PM
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then why pay them
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Orange Elite [5554]
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Re: Coaching is never the problem.
Oct 19, 2025, 10:54 PM
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Uhhhh huuuh....
Well this is definitely a take and a thread I wish I didn't waste my time reading.
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Aficionado [156]
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Re: Coaching is never the problem.
Oct 20, 2025, 1:45 AM
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To be clear, you are saying that talent is ALWAYS, 100% the problem, and coaching is ALWAYS the solution 100% of the time?
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