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TNET: Swinney concerned about lack of common sense with NIL
Feb 23, 2022, 8:00 AM
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CDS is such a great coach, he will always “speak plainly”…
Feb 23, 2022, 8:21 AM
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…without having to parse his words and meaning.
He denies the media their chance to speak truthfully about him because of the way he communicates.
Instead, they will vilify him repeatedly.
I’m still proud and continue to be amazed at the stature, class, leadership, & integrity that Dabo brings to his position at Clemson University.
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Re: CDS is such a great coach, he will always “speak plainly”…
Feb 23, 2022, 9:13 AM
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I believe time will prove Dabo right and there will eventually be some rules in place to prevent some of the pay for play programs as opposed to the intent behind NIL. I just hope it doesn’t take too long. It will be interesting to watch some of the kids that do the 2/3/4 school thing or go to schools where the pay for play is in place and see how they end up - especially those that don’t make it into the NFL. That happened pre - NIL as well at a lot of schools but Dabo has always stood for preparing his players for life after football. His position and overall philosophy and goal is still the same.
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Re: CDS is such a great coach, he will always “speak plainly”…
Feb 24, 2022, 10:28 AM
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I'm just mad that we've had almost a year of NIL and no NCAA football video games. Wasn't that one of the main points to this? The whole O'Bannon case is what led us to this point.
I just wanna go back to "Road to Glory" and win three Heismans with a Clemson RB.
Could you imagine how fun it would have been to play NCAA FB on Xbox/PS4/PS5 with Deshaun, Trevor, and all the other guys we had 2014-2020? Watson would have been neigh unbeatable in that game.
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Here's a link
Feb 23, 2022, 9:59 AM
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It's kinda just a transcription of the interview that's not mentioned or linked but I thought it was great; here's a link if anyone loves Coach Swinney like I do: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLgir6lhb8I
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Re: TNET: Swinney concerned about lack of common sense with NIL
Feb 23, 2022, 10:34 AM
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Great story guys! Dabo makes more sense than all these talking heads and "Do-Nothing MCAA types" combined.
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Re: TNET: Swinney concerned about lack of common sense with NIL
Feb 23, 2022, 10:51 AM
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Dabo knows!
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Re: TNET: Swinney concerned about lack of common sense with NIL
Feb 23, 2022, 11:33 AM
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That’s my QB, I mean my coach!
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More common sense:
Feb 23, 2022, 11:39 AM
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If you’re part of an enterprise that pays you $9 million per year, don’t moralize about the “professionalizing” of that enterprise. Or at least own the fact that you want to restrict the ways in which others may benefit from the same enterprise.
And then try to control your persecution complex and stop playing victim about everything. It’s tiresome.
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Re: More common sense:
Feb 23, 2022, 11:46 AM
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What a weird way for you to interpret that article.
I read it as Dabo is all for getting the players as much money as they can possibly EARN, but he doesn't want to just hand them something they haven't earned just for picking Clemson.
I would imagine Dabo would be all for each player's high school paying them some amount that their high school thinks they have earned during their time on campus, but he doesn't want players being paid money to simply choose a school.
There is a reason that has always been and is still illegal.
NIL does not include or allow paying players to sign with a team, but it can do nothing to stop spoken agreements for what will be signed as soon as players step on campus.
As he stated in the article, he is all for the letter of how NIL is written but he is not for all of the under-the-table dealings that are going along with it.
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No player is asking to be handed money.
Feb 23, 2022, 8:53 PM
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It’s a straw man, which means his argument is weak.
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How do you know?
Feb 23, 2022, 9:25 PM
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Boosters at schools like TAmU, Miami, Tennessee, and SCar are setting up funds to pay their players across the board, with no requirements other than being on the team. How is it that you know that none of these school’s recruits are picking said school mainly for the money?
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Re: No player is asking to be handed money.
Feb 24, 2022, 9:27 AM
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Players don't have to ask, schools are making it their pitch. Top athlete takes 3 visits and 1 school pitches their NIL intent saying as soon as you arrive on campus we have a 2million NIL deal already set up for you. That's clearly gonna affect the players decision. Media outlets also project NIL money value to certain prospects as they have said Arch will make 10 million first semester as a freshman as an example. If you have produced at the college level u should be able to profit, not before.
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so, you have no clue in regard to the topic apparently***
Feb 23, 2022, 12:20 PM
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Fascinating insight.***
Feb 23, 2022, 8:54 PM
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College coaches have been paid large contracts for their
Feb 23, 2022, 1:22 PM
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profession for decades. College football players are getting great facilities, a free college eduction, with the chance a handful might make it to the NFL.
Don't tell me you wouldn't be thrilled to be earning a $9M contract each year to be a head coach of a major college program.
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I wouldn’t tell you that I wouldn’t want $9 million.
Feb 23, 2022, 8:55 PM
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And I’m not saying Dabo shouldn’t get it. I simply pointed out that the sport is already “professionalized.”
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Re: More common sense:
Feb 23, 2022, 1:42 PM
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Persecution complex? Nice diagnosis Dr Phil Elschorcho. If you’re that tired of hearing it maybe you should hit the fan portal. Maybe take that diagnosis to Nancy State and DD.
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This isn’t difficult.
Feb 23, 2022, 8:52 PM
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He does it quite a bit, and often.
But more interestingly, I didn’t say anything about Clemson, so why would you make that comment about my criticism of him having anything to do with my being a fan? The only answer is that you place Dabo higher than Clemson. Strange.
Not that it ultimately matters. There’s nothing special about being a fan; you just do it or don’t. Some people see themselves as gatekeepers of who is a fan and who isn’t. Very odd.
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I get you on the persecution complex part
Feb 23, 2022, 9:37 PM
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Although it’s justified, maybe coach Swinney should avoid complaining about press coverage that isn’t favorable (although his comments don’t bother me at all).
But to say he shouldn’t be critical of the “professionalization” of college football because he himself is highly paid is a false equivalency. Of COURSE college football is a profession - for coaches, staff, administrators and even some players eventually (this thing called the NFL). However it’s always been the goal - and still should be IMO - to keep college athletes separate from that, NIL could end up blurring that line between student-athlete and University employee. Hopefully rules get put in place that make sure schools and boosters aren’t in bidding wars to pay their players the highest salary.
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Re: More common sense:
Feb 24, 2022, 9:16 AM
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I disagree. Coaches aren't students. Dabo works for Clemson University as an adult after many many years of blood, sweat, tears of earning his position. Students are a completely different situation. Dabo never said students shouldn't make money. The problem is schools can offer players certain NIL deals ahead of signing funded by boosters to essentially buy players (TA&M) which is not the intended format for allowing kids to profit. There needs to be an adjusted structure to how kids profit thats consistent across the board. IMO NIL shouldn't be a part of recruiting and players should not be able to make money before they take a snap, maybe starting after freshman season or as a sophomore. This will prevent pay for play scenarios outta h.s. Dabo has a structured contract with obligations, expectations & consequences. Some incoming freshman are making millions with nothing more than a commitment to play. I'm fine with incentive based player money or capped amounts for each school. Uniformity is gonna be key. NIL has allowed schools to literally buy players. The only way to keep recruiting fair is to keep money out of it, let that be earned as a bonus not the reason to commit. Go Tigers!!!!
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I am concerned about lack of common sense in general
Feb 23, 2022, 12:18 PM
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seems to be a trait missing in most people these days
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Re: I am concerned about lack of common sense in general
Feb 23, 2022, 1:38 PM
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That’s what I was thinking.
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Re: TNET: Swinney concerned about lack of common sense with NIL
Feb 23, 2022, 2:01 PM
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You know the old saying about the road paved with good intentions. Some athletes are being given money that they never dreamed about and as long as they save enough to pay taxes, they are happy and NIL works. Because there is no way for every school in the NCAA to have enough supporters to have all athletes paid, there will be the haves and the have nots but football, basketball or whatever goes on. I love Dabo to death but if kids are offered money to go to another school, a CAB or whatever, will not get them to Clemson. There are very few times in life that money does not play a part in decisions and college athletes are having to make them sooner rather than later.
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