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Would you prefer to clean house and start fresh?
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Oct 22, 2025, 12:03 PM
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If not, who all would you like to see replaced?
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Re: Would you prefer to clean house and start fresh?
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Oct 22, 2025, 12:16 PM
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The only coaches I would say should be completely safe are Luke, Allen and Bloulware. None have been on the job at Clemson long enough to be purged. Everyone else should be getting their resumes in order.
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no ... but replace
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Oct 22, 2025, 12:16 PM
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anyone with the last name "Swinney" not including Dabo, anyone with the last name "Venables" ... anyone with the last name "Batson"
Also ...
Garrett Riley
CJ Spiller
Tyler Grisham
Mickey Conn
Ben Boulware
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Clemson Icon [25970]
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^^this 100%^^^***
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Oct 22, 2025, 2:07 PM
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Top TigerNet [32987]
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Re: no ... but replace
Oct 22, 2025, 7:54 PM
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That's the correct answer!
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Dabo has a penchant for hiring...
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Oct 22, 2025, 12:53 PM
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a bunch (in fact a whole bunch) of former players as assistant coaches and to serve in various support roles, who have absolutely no prior experience and, frankly, it shows! I believe the total number of former players currently on his staff is upwards of 30. Dabo's job is to assemble the best most experience group of coaches available and win games, not train and develop the next generation of aspiring coaches. Just my .02 cents!
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Oct 22, 2025, 1:06 PM
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Yes absolutely 1000% bc it’s not going to get better until we do.
Dabos time has come and gone. Major love to him for doing everything he’s done at Clemson but Father Time is undefeated all time.
Dabo is no different. He just doesn’t fit into the modern college football world anymore. At one time… he was the innovative creative guy that was ahead of the curb. He won 2 titles and played for 4 and then the entire college football world changed and he refused to change with it.
He’ll make some changes to the staff and probably use the portal a little more but he’s never going to reach the level that we were at again. He’s not even going to come close.
Last year was and will be his last ever ACC title. He will never even make the playoffs again much less win a national championship.
8/9 wins will be the absolute ceiling under him going forward and some here will be fine with that but not me. It’s proven you can win national championships here.
Obviously we can’t win it all every year but we should be in the conversation more than not and that’s not going to be the case moving forward.
I’m sure I’ll get the usual coot coot coot but I really don’t care. This is my opinion and I fully believe it.
It’ll take 2/3 more years of this before everyone starts to fully buy in and see it and that’s fine bc I have no final say either way.
Build the statue… name the stadium or field or both after him and he deserves it all but I’m ready to move on bc we’re going nowhere with him as the guy.
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Re: Would you prefer to clean house and start fresh?
Oct 22, 2025, 1:49 PM
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Yes absolutely 1000% bc it’s not going to get better until we do.
Dabos time has come and gone. Major love to him for doing everything he’s done at Clemson but Father Time is undefeated all time.
Dabo is no different. He just doesn’t fit into the modern college football world anymore. At one time… he was the innovative creative guy that was ahead of the curb. He won 2 titles and played for 4 and then the entire college football world changed and he refused to change with it.
He’ll make some changes to the staff and probably use the portal a little more but he’s never going to reach the level that we were at again. He’s not even going to come close.
Last year was and will be his last ever ACC title. He will never even make the playoffs again much less win a national championship.
8/9 wins will be the absolute ceiling under him going forward and some here will be fine with that but not me. It’s proven you can win national championships here.
Obviously we can’t win it all every year but we should be in the conversation more than not and that’s not going to be the case moving forward.
I’m sure I’ll get the usual coot coot coot but I really don’t care. This is my opinion and I fully believe it.
It’ll take 2/3 more years of this before everyone starts to fully buy in and see it and that’s fine bc I have no final say either way.
Build the statue… name the stadium or field or both after him and he deserves it all but I’m ready to move on bc we’re going nowhere with him as the guy.
He's 55.. (will be 56 on 11/20)...
He ain't super old!!! LOL!!!
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Re: Would you prefer to clean house and start fresh?
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Oct 22, 2025, 1:51 PM
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Context is key here bud.
Nobody said a word about his age.
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But you said "father time"...
Oct 22, 2025, 1:53 PM
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Like Dabo is 70-80 years old... lol
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Re: But you said "father time"...
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Oct 22, 2025, 2:09 PM
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Yes Father Time… as in the new world of college football. The traditional college football is dead and gone. This is the new reborn version and Dabos way died along with the traditional version.
Again… context is key.
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I stopped being All In when Dabo kept responding w/ his past accomplishments
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Oct 22, 2025, 6:49 PM
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In response to hard questions about the program and its failures this year, Dabo resorted to regaling us about his past accomplishments instead of discussing (in a general sense at the time, this would have been fine) about how things are going to be fixed and how our most experienced, highest overall roster of highly -regarded- players turned out to produce a whopping turd of a season.
Such defensiveness is what leaders without answers or ideas about what to do differently do to ‘protect’ themselves.
Whether Dabo is 45 years old, or 55 years old, or 75 years old when such diversionary answers occur, this is a sure fire sign that he is out of ideas … or cannot abide competing in the current CFB environment which he perceives to be ~ immoral. He has a good argument about the ‘immorality’ of today’s CFB, but that isn’t the issue.
I do not believe that he can balance his desire to maintain the ‘morality’ of Clemson FB with the new competitive environment in which a scarce few teams (Notre Dame, for example) can ‘afford’ (from both the ethical standards + the monetary frame of reference) to compete at the highest level.
(*). This is not to say that Dabo is wrong in standing for coaching principles which align with his morals. However, if Clemson University is not willing to substitute Clemson’s standard of ‘morality’ for Dabo’s, then Dabo is no longer a fit for us.
IMO.
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^^^POTY^^^
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Oct 22, 2025, 7:08 PM
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I don’t think a single person can combat what you just laid out. Good stuff and I am with you step for step.
I think he will step down before he will give in to the immoral ways of the current landscape. The minds eye just can’t see Dabo Swinney changing anything because that would be admitting he is wrong.
Narcissist can’t do that.
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Ultimate Tiger [34466]
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Re: But you said "father time"...
Oct 22, 2025, 10:24 PM
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Yes Father Time… as in the new world of college football. The traditional college football is dead and gone. This is the new reborn version and Dabos way died along with the traditional version.
Again… context is key.
Sure buddy!!
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Le roi es mort, vive le roi!
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I agree for the most part with TigerRag4416. It's hard to imagine the board of directors of a floundering company in a competitive business getting together and deciding "Yeah, we'll replace all the guys on the staff that the head man put together, but leave the head man in place to hire a new staff. That will fix things."
My only consolation is that I am usually wrong about such things and hope I am wrong again.
Yours truly,
Wrong Way fitch
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Re: Would you prefer to clean house and start fresh?
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Oct 22, 2025, 1:25 PM
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When Tom Allen said that we aren’t good enough to play man coverage, that’s an indictment on Mike Reed and Mickey Conn.
Riley looks to be gone based off what Dabo is saying. Spiller should be gone.
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Re: Would you prefer to clean house and start fresh?
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Oct 22, 2025, 1:46 PM
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When Tom Allen said that we aren’t good enough to play man coverage, that’s an indictment on Mike Reed and Mickey Conn.
Riley looks to be gone based off what Dabo is saying. Spiller should be gone.
As my friend said this weekend... CDS isn't firing Spiller... He made Dabo...
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True. He should be moved in an "admin" position.***
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I dont prefer it, but I think thats the only answer!***
Oct 22, 2025, 1:45 PM
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Ultimate Tiger [34466]
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Oct 22, 2025, 1:45 PM
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If not, who all would you like to see replaced?
I'd keep (not in any particular order)
Reed, Conn, Rumph, Luke
I'm on the fence with Richardson, Eason, and Allen..
The rest need to go...
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Oct 22, 2025, 2:06 PM
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Rumph?
Serious question… no condescension… do you really believe that TJ Parker or Peter Woods are on the level of any of our past 1st round DL?
They’re almost invisible especially Parker. Woods at least is fighting double teams constantly but even with that… does he impact the game like Dexter Lawrence or Christian Wilkins?
Going beyond former first round guys… does he impact the game like DJ Reader or Grady Jarrett?
Same with Parker this year. Rumph IMO has been a massive disappointment. He absolutely needs to go and so does Nick Eason bc he’s done no better. If anything… Parker and Woods have regressed.
Conn? Seriously bro? Another one of Dabos nepo hires. Dude is out of his league.
Richardson? For a guy that’s supposed to be some passing game expert… our passing game sure doesn’t look expert to me.
Even Luke… I get it… year 2… but last years OL was progressing. Now we’re regressing with basically the same guys. I see people say… well he needs his guys… but yall… the guys out there playing were very highly rated guys. It’s not like he’s working with no talent whatsoever.
Allen? Dude has turned our defense into a joke. Zero and I mean zero aggression. Do we ever heat the QB up? Playing that soft zone let’s keep everything in front of us reactive bs does not work. It won’t work even 3/4 years from now when he to… “has his guys”.
I want to go back to our old 4 down linemen and bring the heat with pure man to man on the outside. Allen’s whole philosophy is… can the opponent go 60/70/80 yards using 8/10/12 plays and score TDs consistently? Sure looks to me like opposing offenses are having zero problems doing just that.
Some of it is certainly talent drop off or more importantly lack of depth but that’s where you have to scheme to your players strengths. Allen came in and installed his defense and said screw it he’s going to put square pegs in round holes and make it fit and that just doesn’t work.
I hate being reactive on defense. I hate it with a passion. It’s even more maddening when your personnel isn’t built for that and you keep doing it anyway.
Basically we’re dying death by a thousand cuts instead of dying by the blitz. At least dying by the blitz lets the QB know he’s going to get hit and could possibly cause him to rush things or make mistakes. Letting QBs stand back there all day they’re eventually going to find an open WR.
The whole thing is rotten from the inside out. That’s why they all need to go but we all know that ain’t going to be the case.
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Allen had a fantastic defense last year at Penn State
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Oct 22, 2025, 3:21 PM
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Whats different at Clemson? IMO the most likely explanation is that we have poor position coaches. We also seem to be lacking speed in some areas, but even our really talented, highly rated players have been under-performing.
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Re: Allen had a fantastic defense last year at Penn State
Oct 22, 2025, 7:20 PM
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What’s different is he is playing with half a roster on defense of fall back recruits that should be playing at Furman or GaSouthern. The secondary, safety in particular, and most of the LBs, aren’t P4 talent.
And the “stars” he does have, have disappeared. The only one that looks like he gives a chit is Sammy Brown, and he’s still green.
The program is in shambles. And it’s all because of the coach’s ego. Every bit is self harm. There should be accountability for what has transpired.
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Re: Would you prefer to clean house and start fresh?
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Oct 22, 2025, 1:48 PM
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I’d like for Dabo to be bold and aggressive on all fronts. We don’t need an incremental approach. We need a multifaceted strategy that quickly addresses as many of our issues as possible in the short run and also a solid long-term strategy to maintain future success.
I know Dabo can do this if the spirit is willing, and if he can just set aside some of the pride and focus more on the solutions.
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Re: Would you prefer to clean house and start fresh?
Oct 22, 2025, 2:47 PM
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No. We are not UNC football.
However, we have seen almost three seasons of this offense and it is not getting better. It lacks depth such that the loss of one back or receiver derails it. Portal participation would certainly help, but the entire approach is not clear other than allowing the QB to ad-lib and make plays on his feet. Time to re-think the offense entirely from the leadership on down.
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Re: Would you prefer to clean house and start fresh?
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Oct 22, 2025, 2:49 PM
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While some need to go surely, I don’t know if fresh faces are going to take us much further if we continue the same approach.
Need to clean house with our approach to transfer portal , support staff hires (that are clearly in the family and friends deal, and that money could be reallocated to NIL / recruiting ) , and overall approach to every football decision seemingly being handed down from one man (let coordinators hire their own guys, run their own offenses, etc)
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Former players with no experience outside of Clemson have to go. Family members have to go. Just that alone would clean out the bulk of the problem in my opinion. I am still surprised in the modern age of employment where many large organizations have anti-neoptism policies that they allow such rampant nepotism in the sports programs. Former players is not the same problem as nepotism, but it speaks to an inbred mindset permeating the program. If all you know is Clemson and don't have real coaching experience from anyplace else how could you know anything different? The university does this with teachers...they do try to avoid hiring their own doctoral degree candidates to avoid intellectual inbreeding. Intellectual inbreeding leads to a group think and inherent weakness in an educational institution and like it or not the football program is ultimately education in how to play a sport.
Neoptism has many problems which is why many employers have policies against it.
1. Under-qualified people working in jobs above their skill level while more substantial candiates have to go elsewhere.
2. Evading responsibilities or poor performance without consequences
3. Toxic workplace due to favoritism
4. Denial of growth to more skilled people
5. Damages organization reputation
6. Work place violence if it gets to its worst outcome
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Re: Would you prefer to clean house and start fresh?
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Oct 22, 2025, 2:57 PM
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Fire ‘em all and bring Rob Spence back with his own Staff!
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Oct 22, 2025, 3:51 PM
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It's kind of wild that you watch Clemson football over the past 2-3 years and leave the stadium thinking our RBs are the issue. It's actually quite amazing what our running game has been able to do despite the slobs in front of them.
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Oct 22, 2025, 7:09 PM
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This is factual. Our OL has been a problem for a long time. We just had better athletes and made up for our OL. Could you imagine what ETN would have done behind and OL like ND or Bama.. yeah he crushed it here.
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Oct 22, 2025, 5:17 PM
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Clean the entire football coaching staff period
after season's end. You can take that statement
anyway you see fit. At times you have to cut
your loses to sustain your program for the future.
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Re: Would you prefer to clean house and start fresh?
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Oct 22, 2025, 6:26 PM
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Do you really think he is going to dismiss our "Offensive Player Development" staff Will and Drew Swinney?
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Orange Blooded [2328]
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Oct 22, 2025, 8:01 PM
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If I was head man. I’d clean slate it everyone but a few. I’d give all the guys that have aspirations to be a head coach go.
Coaches I’d keep:
Allen (Doesn’t have his guys)
Luke(same as above) some schemes require a type. He had those at UGa 🤷🏾♂️
Reed( when he’s had talent they’ve played well)
Eason can recruit but develop 🤷🏾♂️
Rumph idk Parker is non existent. Even with Heldt. Idk what’s going on. They talk the talk as players but proving it ain’t showing up.
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