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If Fans think firing Dabo is a quick fix for the adversity Clemson Football is
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Oct 26, 2025, 5:38 PM
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going through especially this season are IMO fooling themselves. Ask yourself this question. With several indicating they will be using money normally used for season ticket purchases, IPTAY donations being cancelled and some fans refusing to pay additional fees for prime parking will only further hurt Clemson Football.
Please don’t get me wrong. I understand where you are coming from. I went to another University but my daughter is a 2015 Clemson Alumni and we as well as all of my family, aunts, uncles, cousins and friends have deep love for Clemson. And I really miss being able to attend games.
I understand the chaos with the parking lot situation too, and reshuffling of seating as well takes the joy out of college athletics. Many have had the same parking spot or the same lot for years. During that time many have established long term friendships with those around you. Now to have the rug pulled out from under you is disheartening. And for you Alumni, I know it’s even more difficult to you that sincerely love and enjoy the game day experience. It has been a way of life for so many.
Unfortunately, the college football environment many of us grew up with no longer exists. The new pay for play, betting on sports, incompetent officials and the increased cost of game days, verses daily living expenses have forced many to make difficult decisions. Do you continuing to pay IPTAY dues, purchasing season tickets, expensive parking, and travel time which has drastically increased due to NIL and Revenue Sharing.
Since COVID it seems to me life has been turned upside down and sideways. There is so much chaos in everyday life. But the reality of it is there will be winners and losers. Unfortunately many of the losers will be those who have supported Clemson for decades.
I honestly believe Dabo did his best to prevent NIL and the TP. But a few good people cannot stop an out of control storm. Especially when our state and federal leaders helped push all of this BS through.
I had the bad feeling when NIL became a daily issue that it would eventually become reality. We now have pay for play athletics at the collegiate level. How long will it be before it trickles down to HS’s.
So what I said in my post is Clemson will need lots of additional consistent revenue sources to get back into the yearly CFP’s. I believe Dabo has tried to keep Clemson at that level without breaking the bank for thousands of fans and at the same time fairly distributing NIL money for Clemson athlete’s.
Unfortunately, it is just not possible. Clemson must increase revenue or fall behind those who have loads of 💰💰💰. This is why firing Dabo and bringing in a new HC will only go so far. I honestly do not believe that Dabo is and incompetent X and O’s, Head Coach. If Dabo is what some are saying about him I do not believe he could have accomplished so much during his career at Clemson.
Those who consistently post putting the majority of Clemson’s lack of success on Dabo should take a look at the real problems.
It’s Greed and Money. Politics is now involved. One party is pushing for NIL reform while the other party is selling out the fans in favor of current and future athletes votes. I am referring to the SCORE legislation. One party is pushing for more benefits and money for the athletes.
I guess a free education and the perks for many college athletes is not enough. IMO, the fair and simple solution for fans and athletes would have been to increase athletes stipends money instead of opening the vault at Fort Knox !
Honestly do Clemson Fans believe much will change by replacing Dabo without adding more revenue into NIL and Revenue Sharing ??
Saban’s Opinion;
https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/nick-saban-blames-rash-of-college-football-coach-firings-on-pay-for-play-era-cites-booster-pressure/
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For the millionth time. Nobody wants Dabo fired. We want him to ADAPT.***
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Oct 26, 2025, 5:51 PM
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Re: For the millionth time. Nobody wants Dabo fired. We want him to ADAPT.***
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Oct 26, 2025, 5:55 PM
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Some of think he’s capable of adapting and some think he’s not. I don’t believe he is capable of doing so. He’s too strong and stubborn in his beliefs and already has a narrative crafted around him. I’d long to be wrong, but I think the best way this turns around is with him either retiring or moving somewhere else
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Re: For the millionth time. Nobody wants Dabo fired. We want him to ADAPT.***
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Oct 26, 2025, 6:00 PM
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And for the record....CDS has known about needed changes, but has slow-walked them. To his credit some have been implemented...just too late to avoid the mess we are in. An article on another site specifically points to this. When intermittent success comes, he falls back into the idea that maybe he is right and should stay the course. Think about it, Kirby, Day, Saban were all wrong and you are the only one to figure out the secret formula.....
NO serious Clemson fan I know wants him fired atm. Plus, it would be very difficult financially to do it. Here's hoping he can turn it around...but statistically, from a historical perspective, the odds are against him. But the thing about CDS, is he has overcome a lot of adversity in his life so I still think he can dig out of this.
However, IMO, its likely to get worse before it gets better. Didn't have to be this way. 1000% self-inflicted.
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Orange Blooded [2140]
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Ehh "slow walked" fair enough, though some might say..
Oct 26, 2025, 7:43 PM
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dragged kicking & screaming-
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Re: For the millionth time. Nobody wants Dabo fired. We want him to ADAPT.***
Oct 27, 2025, 7:37 AM
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This is a good realistic take….firing Dabo is irrational and the financial hit and lack of obvious successor would make it a very costly and futile exercise.
But also thinking we will recapture our 2015-2020 glory days with Dabo is far-fetched. The most likely scenario is that we just keep on keeping on as a mid tier ACC school who hopefully pops for a CFP appearance every 5 years. Hopefully our past triumphs have secured us a place in the future Super League l!
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Orange Beast [6423]
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Re: Adapt how?
Oct 26, 2025, 6:13 PM
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You know the answer.....should've used it years earlier.
Better start being ELITE at HS recruiting.....we are not ATM.
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And Ive explained this simple concept to you a dozen times.
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Oct 26, 2025, 6:22 PM
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So you think we should sign portal guys instead of HS guys?
And you think the portal is just chock full of elite players huh?
There are some good players in the portal, and all those good players want to come in a new place and start immediately. This would mean kicking starters off the team.
Teams sign portal guys when they have transfers out. I’m sure I don’t need to explain to you we’ve lost exactly one starter in the portal era, and we’ve maintained the best retention in the country.
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Re: And Ive explained this simple concept to you a dozen times.
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Oct 26, 2025, 6:51 PM
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what???? Where did I say or imply that? Who said everyone in portal is elite??????? Lulz......
I just said better be elite at HS recruiting.
If you have read anything I have written (been on Tnet since 95) I say the opposite. HS recruiting should be the vast majority of your talent acquisition. We have NOT been elite at HS in several years. If you aint gonna use the portal, be better elite at HS recruiting. We're not. 3-4 in the ACC.
Teams also sign portal layers when starters graduate and the backups aren't what you thought they were.
Much much more nuanced than what you imply...but you know that already.....
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Re: And Ive explained this simple concept to you a dozen times.
Oct 26, 2025, 6:55 PM
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That's the thing though. The real problem is the high school recruiting, not the portal use. If we're bad at high school recruiting we're still not going to be elite even if we use the portal.
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Re: And Ive explained this simple concept to you a dozen times.
Oct 26, 2025, 7:02 PM
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BINGO TDQ.
And CDS's words aren't doing us any favors when we do try to pull from the portal.
With that said, in an ideal world, you need 3-4 quality kids from portal every year b/c of the unavoidable attrition (players leaving, players having career ending injuries, players not panning out, etc...)--no way to avoid it. NO ONE HITS ON EVERYONE. Every peer program (OSU, BAMA, UGA) has used the portal in that manner to give itself the best chance at competing at the highest level.
Programs that have to pull heavily from portal almost always never do well. However, don't see how we don't sign b/t 5-10 portal kids for next year.
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Gridiron Giant [15608]
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And you most likely know
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Oct 26, 2025, 6:24 PM
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We tried to get some OL in the portal for 2-3 years before we signed the 3 players last year. That was the need, but we couldn’t guarantee starting slots. We asked them to come in and compete - nobody wanted to do that.
Again, we’ve had virtually no slots available, and the best portal guys don’t move to be depth.
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Orange Blooded [2140]
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Quoted the Clemson press releases aimed at..
Oct 26, 2025, 8:05 PM
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placating fans w/ flimsy anecdotal evidence of attempted portal acquisitions-
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Re: For the millionth time. Nobody wants Dabo fired. We want him to ADAPT.***
Oct 26, 2025, 6:47 PM
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Complaining on the message boards is not going to adapt. Deb is going to do what he wants to do. The school has to decide if we want to continue to do things his way or bringing somebody else to do things a different way. Those are your options.
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I do not think firing Dabo is under consideration or has ever been on the table
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Oct 26, 2025, 6:12 PM
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IMHO fair number of alums/boosters/fans are frustrated who correctly foresaw ignoring the transfer portal could have negative repercussions for the team. The fan base waited to see if Dabo Swinney could "use the high school portal and internal team development" to keep up with the Jones'. The hope was he could and he could not. It seems Coach Swinney was even caught off guard. Even the national media believed this 2025 Clemson team had legs. They did not.
A graver concern is the SEC and B1G schools receiving $150-$200M per year in network revenue which will be available in some percentage for NIL payments to players. Compare this to the $50-70M which will be available to Clemson and other ACC schools.
Make no mistake Dabo Swinney is a great leader. He excelled from 2012 to 2020 when the NIL/portal era began, and the program seemed to take its foot off the gas. Hard to predict what comes next. What does Dabo Swinney want? How much pressure will the university and top boosters apply to Coach Swinney to use the portal and win big again? Is an SEC or B1G invitation forthcoming? Lots of factors above TNet's pay grade.
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Re: I do not think firing Dabo is under consideration or has ever been on the table
Oct 26, 2025, 6:26 PM
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Even if he goes all in on the portal they can still suck. Florida State's a perfect example of that.
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Re: I do not think firing Dabo is under consideration or has ever been on the table
Oct 26, 2025, 6:30 PM
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FSU builds their program on it...Successful teams use the portal to plug massive needs and to add depth...
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Re: I do not think firing Dabo is under consideration or has ever been on the table
Oct 26, 2025, 6:38 PM
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Our problem is not depth. We got problems with the starters, and the lot the starters, much less depth.
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Re: I do not think firing Dabo is under consideration or has ever been on the table
Oct 26, 2025, 11:18 PM
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What is FSU’s record now ?? What was it last year ?? The TP may be OK to plug a hole or two but unless you can build through the college farm system which HS recruits you will become dependent on The TP. IMO the Portal will not offer enough talent to continue to replenish departing talent.
Unless Clemson can finally compete for recruits through the current NIL, Revenue Sharing and the TP. Based on TV money in the Big 10 and SEC it’s an up hill battle for Clemson to bring in the same level of Talent pre NIL recruiting.
There was a time Dabo and Clemson’s Culture had the Moms and Dads in their corner. Now the parents are as greedy as the kids.
I honestly believe Dabo had made several attempts to recruit some talent through the portal only to have another program out price Clemson. Same goes for HS recruits. Clemson has had talent bought right out from under them.
At one time people like Tee Higgins father recommended Clemson over any other program and he was on a college staff at that time. Even Kirk Herbstreit wanted his sons to play for Dabo.
NIL has caused a lot of damage to college athletics. Especially college football. Damage which may never be able to be reversed. This damage may be too much to overcome economically for colleges. When college athletes started getting paid with few limits and guidelines on NIL payouts it doomed college football as many of us once knew !!!
I believe Clemson’s only hope to compete year after year with OSU, UGA, Bama and a few other schools is to become part of a super conference not connected to any current conference. That may help recruiting opportunities become more equitable with the current NIL and Revenue Sharing system in place. It may be Clemson’s only chance to rebuild sustainable teams like those from 2012-2020.
I believe Dabo did a #### good job to win 10 or more games 4 out of the last 5 seasons while trying to maintain Clemson’s Culture that once made us the envy of many college football programs. And open many recruiting doors.
Look at all the programs falling apart under the new pay for play system. Don’t kid yourself Nick Saban retired because he was not going to coach in today’s environment. Dabo appears more stressed each year. I at least admire the man for trying to fight the bad stuff in the system and try to maintain a successful program.
I can understand some of his comments after having years of success in recruiting, winning at an elite level playing for 4 National Championships and Winning two of them both over Saban’s Bama team and beating OSU’s Urban Meyer team handing Meyer his only career shutout as a HC. After high expectations from the fans and media only to start out with a lose and a team struggling to find it’s identity, IMO it would be difficult for the best of Head Coaches. You can only imagine how Dabo carries the disappointment from Clemson fans. If I were Dabo I too would fall back to my faith in God to guide me through these difficult times.
As fans we are not tied into a program like Dabo and his staff 24/7 that has had years of success to only start off a season full of hype that turns quickly into adversity. I cannot imagine carrying that much of a burden for a program ,Clemson University. A place that I love fans feel as I have let down.
At least fans do not have to live this adversity every day 24 /7. This one reason I am “ All In “ with Dabo quitting would be the easy way out. I honestly Dabo is trying to stay with in the Clemson Culture that makes Clemson so special and to compete successfully in the new pay for play system. Plus, he feels a certain responsibility for the kids he has recruited to Clemson.
I wonder how many of the fans could handle this amount of pressure. I don’t care how much money he makes. I for one don’t mind admitting that I could NOT handle Dabo’s job or the daily pressures he is facing this year.
Call what you want sunshine pumpers, blinded by Orange colored glasses, a Dabo follower ..,But Dabo has my full support and I am “All In”.
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Re: If Fans think firing Dabo is a quick fix for the adversity Clemson Football is
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Oct 26, 2025, 6:26 PM
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Coach Swinney's best years are behind him. He believes he is bigger than Clemson...period...Nothing changes unless he moves on. Its not cute but its just the reality! This happens all the time with coaches and schools...Its time..
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you don't know $hit about Dabo
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Oct 26, 2025, 6:45 PM
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you're just an idiot on TNET who watches football
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Re: you don't know $hit about Dabo
Oct 26, 2025, 11:52 PM
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Pot meet kettle???
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Re: If Fans think firing Dabo is a quick fix for the adversity Clemson Football is
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Oct 26, 2025, 6:36 PM
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Man no one is arguing that we need more money but Dabo refused for so long to use the portal and it hurt Clemson badly . He has made decisions to out his son on scholarship and taken up other precious roster spots with friends and family . He has hurt Clemson with these careless decisions and that is a fact not even arguable . We needed badly to add LB and secondary talent this offseason as well a RB . Dabo failed to see this and that is an indictment of his coaching acumen .
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Re: If Fans think firing Dabo is a quick fix for the adversity Clemson Football is
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Oct 26, 2025, 6:50 PM
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There are no quick fixes regardless of who is coaching. We have a lot of work to do and a couple of cycles of roster management to address.
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Re: If Fans think firing Dabo is a quick fix for the adversity Clemson Football is
Oct 27, 2025, 12:13 AM
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Who in the helsh said Dabo being fired is a "quick" fix? NOBBBBODY. If Dabo stays for 5 years, we continue to decline. If Dabo and the program is reset NOW then we can slowly improve. Which outcome do you want to be at after 5 years bud?
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Re: If Fans think firing Dabo is a quick fix for the adversity Clemson Football is
Oct 27, 2025, 7:25 AM
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The problem with Dabo and adapting is that he is a man of his word. If he told HS recruits that as long as they did XY and Z at Clemson there would be a spot for the. Until they graduate, he will honor that. I. Order to replace players with portal players current ones have to leave. He isn’t running a player off that he made a commitment to.
The problem is that doesn’t work anymore, but will take a multi year cycle to work through.
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