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Does this correlate with the increase in pronoun misuse?
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Aug 6, 2023, 9:20 AM
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Re: Hard to see where he's wrong on this...
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Aug 6, 2023, 9:21 AM
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OK. Then riddle me this: Following the writer's own logic, why WOULDN'T the SEC invite Clemson?? He makes a compelling case why it SHOULD.
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agreed.. but I think what he is saying here is more about
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Aug 6, 2023, 9:26 AM
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how people are reacting to the PAC falling apart. There is truth that the same is happening to the ACC, outside of the top 3 schools. I think a little forward thinking, and you can see that staying in the ACC, as is, will have a cumulative effect on Clemson.
It's almost like we need to capitalize on the national status we have achieved recently in order to stay relevant, b/c that revenue gap will eventually catch up to us.
The SEC argument is unique, IMO. In the long run, Clemson/FSU help the SEC. It keeps the SEC on par with the B1G. If the B1G swoops in and takes FSU/Clem -- right after securing the West Coach-- the SEC will play second fiddle to the B1G.
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Re: agreed.. but I think what he is saying here is more about
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Aug 6, 2023, 9:33 AM
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Exactly. That is precisely why (in my own opinion) I think ultimately, we go to the SEC.
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I also think there's some speculating about future contracts
Aug 6, 2023, 9:38 AM
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If the B1G were to get FSU/Clem, for example... when they sign a new deal in 2030, that includes USC, UCLA, UW, UO, Clem, and FSU... it will absolutely be upwards of $100 million per school, if not more.
Then, the SEC is in a position the ACC is in now. Can they keep up with that. They may invite the top ACC schools, just to play defense.
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Re: I also think there's some speculating about future contracts
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Aug 6, 2023, 9:55 AM
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OK. I'll play along. Even so, the buyout currently sits at $120M but will go down incrementally over time. Assuming we would net an additional $60M/year in revenue (in maybe 10 years), at what point do you simply monetize the buyout and engineer an exit? To me, that is the question. I don't see an exit this year........but in 5 years? Absolutely.
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absolutely agree...but I don't think it's just $120 million
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Aug 6, 2023, 10:00 AM
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either. I think that is the number to either get out of the GOR. That doesn't include the negotiations to get out of the ACC (I think). It's gonna be a big number, which is why I think FSU is going down this private equity route in some form.
The question is, how long can you wait as the revenue gap grows? Can we keep our brand as valuable over 5-6 years? I don't know. That's the whole "death by a thousand cuts" argument. The risk, I guess, is... if we wait, or we at a large enough disadvantage where we are no longer as attractive?
big time questions to answer
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Re: absolutely agree...but I don't think it's just $120 million
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Aug 6, 2023, 10:04 AM
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That goes back to the "time is money" argument. I suppose I could put this on a spreadsheet and figure out the approximate time when it would make financial sense to negotiate a leveraged buyout.....but that work is apparently already underway.
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another angle I've thought about... concerning "timeline" is
Aug 6, 2023, 10:17 AM
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the CFP.
The CFP goes to 12 teams in 2024-25. USC, UCLA, Oregon, and Washington begin play in the B1G in 2024. The new Big 12 teams begin play in 2024. They are clearly going to have to change the criteria for the CFP, now that the Pac is done.
FSU, in the middle of their grandstanding, hinted at wanting to be out in a year. It's made clear that Aug. 15 is the deadline to inform the conference you are leaving if you want to be out for the 2024 season.
Is there something to the 12 team CFP in this? Is it playing a role in the "urgency". How will they change the criteria?
Interesting.
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Re: agreed.. but I think what he is saying here is more about
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Aug 7, 2023, 7:53 AM
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If the big 10 takes FSU and Clemson, the SEC would not play second fiddle to them. The SEC would still have far better teams than the Big 10. FSU is not even very good anymore. They haven't been for a while.
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I’m still puzzled why Miami is lumped in the “Big 3” with…
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Aug 7, 2023, 8:18 AM
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…Clemson and FSU?
With what they have done, or NOT done, over the past 15 years and attendance at their games in the Miami Dolphins stadium on par with NC State, their prominence is 98% about being in Miami?
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Re: The Reason Is Money Has Now Got In The Way ---
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Would you pay $800 million or whatever to have someone come in and kick your darlings butt every Saturday?
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Re: Hard to see where he's wrong on this...
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Do you think that the “time difference” is a reason that college football in the west isn’t as popular as in the south and East? I think that it plays a great difference. Staying up until 3 or 4 in the morning to watch Clemson play Oregon would be a tough challenge for this ole Tiger super fan!
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I read somewhere yesterday that USC/UCLA had requested no
Aug 6, 2023, 9:33 AM
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night games on the West Coast. They did not want to kickoff at 10 p.m. EST. The writer said that maybe the networks would not go any later than 8 EST.
I thought that was interesting. He wasn't sure if the networks would do it, though.
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The B1G and SEC have many teams comparable to Wake, Duke...
Aug 6, 2023, 9:35 AM
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VT, GT and UVa. That maroon thinks that a handful of top teams are going to support those losers for the long haul is simply short sighted. Clickbait and rationalized nonsense.
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I don't think he would disagree with that, nor would anyone
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Aug 6, 2023, 9:40 AM
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but the fact is that no one has even brought up the subject of "cutting back teams". I saw one of the national writers did a piece about this the other day. He interviewed several ADs, and they all said they knew it would eventually come, but to this point, no one had broached the subject.
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Not saying he’s wrong
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Aug 6, 2023, 9:36 AM
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You can’t argue with the historical data, but I’m not as sure about the “saving” part. I’m not taking the opposite position, I really just don’t know.
I worry that the professionalization of the sport may result in an eventual loss of interest as fans begin to feel the disconnect that results from a roster that turns over so often and consists of basically mercenaries. Broad brush, I know, but you know what I mean. Similar to how I feel about the NFL now relative to 30 years ago.
The numbers seem to back up his position, and I’m guessing that NFL numbers are similar. Still, I keep asking myself if I care like I used to.
I’ve really enjoyed the ride as a Clemson fan over the last 10 years or so, but I wonder if fans of teams less successful have a different view of the big picture.
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The Northeast isn’t saving college football…
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Aug 6, 2023, 10:00 AM
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The northeast needs saving in college football. The southeast is doing just fine.
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Problem is there are already smaller schools
Aug 7, 2023, 8:25 AM
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in the SEC and Big Ten. They just get grandfathered into the big leagues. Schools like Vanderbilt and Rutgers, Purdue and Kentucky are already there while schools like Clemson and FSU may get drug down to the minor league via the sinking ACC and that ***** GOR!
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