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play-in/first round question/complaint...
Mar 22, 2013, 9:29 AM
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i'm sure this was more of a hot topic when we were involved in this game a few years ago but i just cant see the rationale of having 2 of the 4 play in games being for an 11 seed. this is simply NOT fair and doesnt make sense to the teams that get stuck playing that game. i can understand it for the 16 seeds if you just HAFTA have the 68 team field instead of the 64 team field but playing in to try to be an 11 seed is ridiculous when you have 2 other 11 seeds, and 4 12-15 seeds who get to sit and wait until the "second" round to play.
this would be like making the 5-8 seeds play their way into the ACC tourney while the 9-12 seeds get in automatically.
i just cant understand the reasoning behind it. anybody know the fairness/point to it?
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Re: play-in/first round question/complaint...
Mar 22, 2013, 9:32 AM
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IMO if they are going to do it it needs to be 2 16 seed agmes and 2 12 seed games.
Basically the worst of the Auto Bids in the 16 games and the worst of the at large aka bubble teams in the 12 game.
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All-In [30593]
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12 seeds are historically pretty good
Mar 22, 2013, 9:33 AM
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but I do agree
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Re: 12 seeds are historically pretty good
Mar 22, 2013, 9:52 AM
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Move the 12s to 13s then
Just need consistency with it IMO.
Having 11 and 13 makes no sense.
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There is some reason to the madness
Mar 22, 2013, 10:07 AM
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It is the last 4 auto-bid teams (the 16 games), and then the last four at-large teams into the field, which is very well established here and elsewhere. You say there should be consistency, but in fact there is. It is the lowest 4 at large teams.
The lowest seeded at large teams in the field (when seeded 1-68) were #11 St Mary's, #11 Middle Tenn St, #13 Boise State and #13 LaSalle. Generally these are 12 seeds but this year some conference champions were seeded as a 12 seed (Ole Miss, Oregon, Akron). Cal was the other 12 seed, but it was openly stated by the committee that Cal (and Oregon) were both initially on the 11 seed line, but had to be dropped due to logistics of arranging games and avoiding match-ups which left them no other choice but to put them as a 12 seed.
So either you would have to mandate that all non-power conference champions must be seeded below a 12, or you have to arbitrarily demote all teams that are at-large. Now I am all for there being a rule that says teams playing in the First Four cannot have a 2nd round game before 6 PM two days later
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Re: There is some reason to the madness
Mar 22, 2013, 10:12 AM
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Thanks Orange T that makes more sense.
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All-In [26968]
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The play-in games do involve the last 4 at-large teams.
Mar 22, 2013, 10:09 AM
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You can't just arbitrarily make them 12-seeds, though. A lot more goes into it than that.
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Re: The play-in games do involve the last 4 at-large teams.
Mar 22, 2013, 10:13 AM
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Yea Orange T just explained it better how they became 11 and 13 seed games.
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All-In [30593]
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it supposedly matches up the last four in
Mar 22, 2013, 9:32 AM
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16 seeds withstanding...
The last four teams AT LARGE that get in will play each other for the right to advance.
Since this is normally teams in the 11-13 seed line, that's where they fall.
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110%er [7913]
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agreed...usually the 14-16 seeds are automatic qualifiers
Mar 22, 2013, 9:36 AM
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of lower conferences.
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All-In [30593]
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your bracket is looking pretty good....
Mar 22, 2013, 9:41 AM
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nice job
I used mine to wipe this morning after I took a dump
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Re: play-in/first round question/complaint...My feeling
Mar 22, 2013, 10:45 AM
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64 teams is enough period. Drop the play ins. the format makes it a joke. just a way for the NCAA weasels to ring a few more dollars out of the networks.
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