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Ring of Honor [22746]
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Could be the death of non-revenue generating sports***
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Jun 30, 2025, 1:19 PM
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Probably not.
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Jun 30, 2025, 2:26 PM
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Think of Division II sports today, or back in the 1970s when I was in school. Went to Valdosta State in Georgia. We had a very competitive men's basketball and baseball team. We played in a conference where overnight travel was not required. You drove to the game, played, got back on the bus and drove home. There were no big TV deals, players got full (hoops) or partial (baseball) ships.
Non-revenue sports in Div 1 could do that today. Clemson would not be in the same conference as Stanford. Florida would not be in the same conference as Missouri. But, schools could play teams in a more realistic geographic region (the way conferences were originally intended) and could afford to keep non-revenue sports. It would take congressional legislation to iron out Title IX requirements, but it could be done.
Imagine Clemson soccer and gymnastic teams never travelling further than Miami to participate in a regular season contest. (Clemson, SC, UGA, GT, UF, FSU, Miami, all the NC schools). Plenty of places to play greatly reduced travel expenses. (Heck, I'd even say Miami and Clemson could meet at a nuetral site (Jax?) for a regular season contest.)
Lotta ways to save non-revenue sports. Just gotta think creatively and ask, "How can we?" rather than saying, "No way we can..."
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Game Changer [1970]
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Re: Probably not.
Jun 30, 2025, 3:32 PM
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Miami? I live half way down the east coast of Florida and it is still a 3 1/2 hour drive to Miami. It would be an estimated 11 1/2 hour drive from Clemson. Pitt is 2 1/2 hours closer and Penn State is 1 1/2 hours closer.
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Top TigerNet [30394]
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Yeah, I was just using that as an example.
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Jun 30, 2025, 4:35 PM
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Miami is a lot closer than Stanford.
Actually there are enough schools in FL where schools could schedule non-revenue sports with them and virtually never leave the state during the regular season: FSU, UF, UCF, USF, Miami, FAU, FIU, Stetson, and a few more.
SC and GA could do the same thing: Clemson, SC, CC, UGA, GT, GA St, GA Southern
The point is, non-revenue sports could set up schedules within close proximity. There is no reason swimming teams and football teams have to be in the same "conference" when it comes to scheduling.
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Re: Probably not.
Jun 30, 2025, 3:35 PM
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@Bretfsu - I went to VSC 1968-1972. Out of curiosity, when did you attend?
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Fall of 69 thru Spring of 74.
Jun 30, 2025, 4:37 PM
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Got my BS and Masters from there.
What was your major? We might have crossed paths. I'll shoot you a PM.
Message was edited by: bretfsu®
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Game Changer [1970]
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Re: Probably not.
Jun 30, 2025, 3:48 PM
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What I am saying is that once a school is far enough away to have to fly to then it really does not matter much where the school is. Given that is the likely reality it might be better to simply focus on staying within a time zone to at least keep player's body clocks from being all screwed up.
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We agree.
Jun 30, 2025, 4:44 PM
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Using some common sense non-revenue sports could continue with little noticable change. In fact, students and fans would probably like it better.
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Game Changer [1970]
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Re: We agree.
Jun 30, 2025, 5:01 PM
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I would be all for a re-alignment that focuses on regions rather than money...but that isn't going to happen. The state of Florida alone was what 4 respectable teams. UCF, Miami, Florida State and Florida. If you took in the states of Alabama Georgia, South Carolina and Mississippi there would be the conference right there. That is 26 division 1 schools.
What then if you limited schools to recruiting from within their region only...that would get interesting. So 26 schools recruting for players in 5 states. If the rest of the country did that football would almost be old timey again.
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I'm talking about non-revenue sports.
Jun 30, 2025, 10:29 PM
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That was the post I was replying to.
Football and Hoops are gonna be part of some sort of SuperLeague. (There may evben be two different leagues with different teams, one of each sport.)
I was talking about the non-revenue sports could realign into geographical conferences, like High Schools do. You would never have a HS conference stretching from Charleston to Clemson.
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Game Changer [1970]
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Re: I'm talking about non-revenue sports.
Jul 1, 2025, 10:14 AM
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AHHH...Sorry. Yeah it would be better to put revenue sport in a different category ...league or what ever and then have the other essentail be in a league where the schools were not more than a 4 hour drive or so.
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Need to go back to the smaller conferences for football as well. They should
Jun 30, 2025, 8:16 PM
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not so big that you don't play every team every year. With the larger playoff there's more room to facilitate conference champions. And if you play every team you can't complain if you don't get in the playoff as a non-conference champion.
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The SuperLeague will deal with that.
Jun 30, 2025, 10:31 PM
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Once you get down to 48-64 teams, you won't see teams from CA to NJ in the same "conference."
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Dabo said at least 2 years ago...
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Jun 30, 2025, 2:14 PM
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...."We all know where this will end up."
Dabo was ahead of the curve in at least making a public statement like this.
Folks, we are headed to a SuperLeague where athletes are employed and rights are negotiated with a governing body that is not the NCAA. It will look far more like the NFL than it does what we had 10 years ago.
Right now we are just in transition headed down the highway to the place "we all know where this will end up."
That's why I don't get too concerned about anything that happens along the way. It ain't gonna change the destination.
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Head Coach [987]
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Re: Dabo said at least 2 years ago...
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Jun 30, 2025, 3:13 PM
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I'd imagine the NFL would be the most concerned. We've recently seen Cam McCormick get 9 years of eligibility. What's to keep the new league from saying as long as your enrolled and "passing" classes you're eligible. Being FT employees could limit transfers and enforce other contractual agreements.
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Top TigerNet [30394]
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That will have to be negotiated.
Jun 30, 2025, 4:46 PM
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And, I imagine the colleges - as they have been doing for the past 70 years - would not do anything to upset the NFL and NBA. They aren't interested in competing with them. They cherish being the minor league for them.
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All-In [10968]
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That sounds about right. Enforceable term contracts.
Jun 30, 2025, 4:43 PM
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AIf you want to leave for more money or playing time, then you are responsible for the terms of the contract. Reign in the dudes moving all over athe drop of a hat.
If it’s now professional, you have to live with professional rules.
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Game Day Hero [4170]
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Or..we could just make colleges colleges again
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Jul 1, 2025, 7:34 AM
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Instead of being a phony marketplace and toy of wealthy donors with nothing better to do with their money.
Just a concept.
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Hall of Famer [8285]
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Sounds like a collegiate players union is inevitable.
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Jul 1, 2025, 7:48 AM
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I can’t wait for the first time they choose to go on strike. I mean that is where this is all going right? Why else would you need a collective bargaining agreement then.
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Gridiron Giant [15144]
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Quite possibly.***
Jul 1, 2025, 9:39 AM
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