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Gridiron Giant [15601]
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This season is a disaster, but its not part of a *steady decline.
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Nov 5, 2025, 4:16 PM
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There was a dude named pheebo who posted some completely inaccurate math, trying to show we’ve been in a “steady decline” since 2021. His math was all screwed up. Either he doesn’t understand simple winning percentages, or his calculator is broken. While his bizarre winning percentage numbers showed a “steady decline”, his numbers were completely wrong for every subject year (2021-2024) he posted. Here are the actual numbers.
We are talking about the last 4.75 years, what is being called 5 years. This is what pheebo and some other guys are referring to as far as a “steady decline”.
2021: 10-3, 0.769, 14th
2022: 11-3, 0.786, 13th. 2022 saw an increase from 2021 in both in wins and ranking. Obviously not a steady decline.
2023: 9-4, 0.692, 20th. 2023 saw a decrease in both wins and ranking from 2022. A one year decline and not a steady decline.
2024: 10-4, 0.714, 15th. 2024 saw an increase in both wins and ranking over 2023. Obviously not a decline.
2025: outside of the above. A steep decline. In one year. This year does not represent a trend. It’s an anomaly.
We’ve averaged 10 wins per year since 2021. Our total wins have been 9th in the country.
Is there where we want to be? No, of course not. But the point here is, 2025 is NOT part of a “steady decline”. Previous to this season we’ve gone up and down but never veered much either way from 10 wins and an average ranking of 15th.
We went up in 2022, down in 2023, and up again in 2024. That’s not a steady decline. That’s a flat line trend. Of 10 wins.
This season sucks. It’s sucks that we haven’t been a natty contender since 2020. But again, this season is the anomaly and not part of a steady decline.
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Game Changer [1700]
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Re: This season is a disaster, but its not part of a *steady decline.
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Nov 5, 2025, 4:25 PM
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Yeah! I am not sure where people get we have been declining since 2020-2021 years. We haven’t been in national contention since then but that is a different story.
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Paw Master [16854]
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What were our records the 5 years before that?
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16. 14-1
17. 12-2
18. 15-0
19. 14-1
20. 10-2
Maybe you dont know what the word decline means
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Gridiron Giant [15601]
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Nobody is suggesting we didnt fall from those ranks.
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Nov 5, 2025, 4:42 PM
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But that’s not even being discussed.
We are talking about 2021-2024 where some have suggested it’s been a steady decline. It hasn’t been that at all.
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Game Changer [2005]
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Re: Nobody is suggesting we didnt fall from those ranks.
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Nov 5, 2025, 4:57 PM
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It most certainly has been. Take off the orange tinted glasses and look clearly.
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Gridiron Giant [15601]
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Apparently you didnt understand the data?
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Nov 5, 2025, 6:17 PM
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Do you understand what “steady decline” means? It would mean getting worse every year. Clearly that’s not so.
If you can’t comprehend simple data, then there’s nothing I can do to help you.
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Starter [297]
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Re: Apparently you didnt understand the data?
Nov 6, 2025, 9:48 AM
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If Clemson didn't play such a bad schedule last year we would've missed a bowl game then too, instead we got lucky, or unlucky depending on how you look at it and stumbled into the playoffs because the ACC is garbage
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Orange Elite [5388]
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Re: Does this help you?
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Nov 6, 2025, 4:54 PM
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If all you do is look at win loss record and stats then yeah we’ve haven’t been in a decline. And honestly I don’t think we have been in a steady decline. What I do think is we were starting to see signs and the decisions that were being made that we can look back on and say yeah this season isn’t just a one off. If you were paying attention you could see it coming.
1. Losing to mediocre or bad teams. SC being one of those teams.
2. Not being able to beat good teams. GA, LSU, Tenn, Texas. ND is our lone game where we felt they were definitely better and even pretty good that we beat. Some would argue they weren’t that good but I’ll concede that one win in 4 years.
5. Dabo making questionable hires
6. Dabo’s refusal to immediately use the transfer portal back in 2021
7. Dabo doesn’t play the NIL game in recruiting like everyone else does.
8. Dabo telling us/media one thing while what we see on field proves otherwise.
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Re: Nobody is suggesting we didnt fall from those ranks.
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Nov 5, 2025, 4:59 PM
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Yeah it has. But you can make stats look like you want. Most are taking into consideration the falloff from the 6 year run. 10 wins a year is great for a program like dook. But not many fans here are comparing us to the duke's and ga techs.
But our recruiting has been in decline. Our offense and defense numbers have clearly declined. I personally don't need any numbers to tell me. All I have to do is watch the games. Look at our record against top 20 teams.
Look at cades numbers against average to below average p4 teams 20-13 . That's not a steady decline, then I don't know what it is.
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Gridiron Giant [15601]
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Was 2022 better than 2021? Yup. Was 2024 better than 2024. Yup.
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Nov 5, 2025, 6:19 PM
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Obviously we have not been declining every year since 2021.
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Game Changer [2061]
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Orange Blooded [2457]
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Re: Nobody is suggesting we didnt fall from those ranks.
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Nov 5, 2025, 10:59 PM
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9 to 10 wins a year against mostly cupcakes is ok, but certainly not elite
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Clemson Sports Icon [54041]
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Re: Nobody is suggesting we didnt fall from those ranks.
Nov 6, 2025, 9:50 AM
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This is what our fans seems to be missing. We are not better than the dukes of the world, unfortunately. We had a lucky flash in the pan with a guy most never even thought should be a head coach. That's all it was and now it's over
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Tiger Spirit [9407]
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Wait, are you saying, historically Clemson is basically Duke?
Nov 6, 2025, 1:16 PM
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LOLOLOLOL good grief some of you people are absolutely insane.
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National Champion [7864]
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Gridiron Giant [15601]
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As a whole weve fallen off since 2020, obviously.
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Nov 5, 2025, 6:23 PM
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But the four seasons from 2021 to 2024 do not show a steady decline.
Crazy that some people don’t get simple math.
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Valley Legend [12772]
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You dont do math do you Mikey?
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Nov 5, 2025, 9:50 PM
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Plot the 4 year MA win %
From 2018-present and look at the stark drop starting in 2021. You’re making a complete fool out of yourself.
Speaking of. Explain to the board how the only reason we’re bad this year is because of our quarterback……..
And……go……
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Athletic Dir [1146]
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Re: You dont do math do you Mikey?
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Nov 17, 2025, 8:56 PM
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He doesn't understand moving average or what it represents.
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Clemson Conqueror [11126]
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National Champion [8013]
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lol, no adaption to building a program in today's college game has very much
Nov 6, 2025, 5:20 PM
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led to a steady decline. It just took a few years for it to fully show up, but it's been happening since 2019.
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110%er [4022]
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Re: What were our records the 5 years before that?
Nov 5, 2025, 5:31 PM
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Maybe you don’t know what years were being talked about.
Maybe your expectations are unrealistic.
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Heisman Winner [83822]
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Clemson Icon [24847]
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Re: This season is a disaster, but its not part of a *steady decline.
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Gridiron Giant [15601]
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Hopefully this helps
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Nov 5, 2025, 6:44 PM
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I can only assume you realize steady decline would show a downward slope.
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Ring of Honor [22940]
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yeah cause showing a decline definitely needs to begin at 2021
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Nov 5, 2025, 4:48 PM
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You're kidding right?
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Gridiron Giant [15601]
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Youre having trouble understanding.
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Nov 5, 2025, 6:27 PM
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It’s been a common theme amongst some of you that “we’ve seen a steady decline the last 5 years”.
That’s simply not true.
Now, as I noted in my original post, we are clearly not where we were in 2020. Who would deny that?
But that’s not the comments we’re talking about.
Yet again, we have NOT seen a steady decline the last 5 seasons. Please be sure to read my post in its entirety then let me know if you’re still confused. Because right now you’re confused.
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Paw Warrior [5044]
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Re: This season is a disaster, but its not part of a *steady decline.
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Nov 5, 2025, 4:53 PM
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Get out a piece of paper and plot the number of wins on the Y axis and years on the X axis for Dabos tenure and tell us what the picture looks like, and where we are on that picture right now.
I’ll spoil it a little for you and give you a hint that it’s a tall geological feature and we are at neither it’s precipice nor it’s ascending side…
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Gridiron Giant [15601]
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Ok heres your visual
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Nov 5, 2025, 6:42 PM
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This is not a steady decline
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Paw Warrior [5044]
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Re: Ok heres your visual
Nov 5, 2025, 7:25 PM
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Yeah ok go to the start of Dabos tenure like I said instead of zooming in on the last 4 years so you hide the comparative ascension and climax to hide the fact we’re in a decline.
Oh and it’s all because of the QB still right?
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Orange Blooded [2552]
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Re: This season is a disaster, but its not part of a *steady decline.
Nov 6, 2025, 6:53 AM
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It appears to me that the thing most people talking about decline are failing to appreciate is where this "decline" began. As far as I understand it winning a national championship is the highest point achievable in sport. There is no where to ascend to from there. That would automatically force a plateau should we somehow win a national championship every year since 2018. Since it is a given that winning the natty every year is nigh impossible there actually is only one way to go. The graph being shown in this thread is about as good as you can get in the scenario we are in. A small drop from winning abd playing in nattys to a flatish trend that we currently have with the exception of this horrendous season. Given all this it is astounding that there are actually people(other than the trolls who are just stirring the pot) that want to replace Coach Swinney. In reality this is close to the best scenario we could have. Again bar this season which has been rough.
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Clemson Icon [24847]
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Re: This season is a disaster, but its not part of a *steady decline.
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Gridiron Giant [15601]
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I noticed youre a guy who approaches things thru feelings.
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Nov 5, 2025, 6:45 PM
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Facts beat feelings
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Clemson Conqueror [11126]
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Yo Mikey
Nov 6, 2025, 3:38 PM
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Where is 2025
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National Champion [7714]
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Re: This season is a disaster, but its not part of a *steady decline.
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Nov 5, 2025, 4:55 PM
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Is this satire? Has to be satire, right?
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Gridiron Giant [15601]
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Just the facts my man.
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Nov 5, 2025, 6:46 PM
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Not a steady decline
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National Champion [7714]
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Re: Just the facts my man.
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Nov 6, 2025, 9:19 AM
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So not satire, just cherry picking the time horizon you are looking at to begin during the decline so to show at best a flat trend. Got it
"Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please".
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Clemson Conqueror [11126]
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Now do attendance
Nov 6, 2025, 3:40 PM
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And viewership
And concessions
Talk to local businesses and ask how are sales
Dont forget to include 2025
In the spring you can do iptay giving too
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Head Coach [928]
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Re: This season is a disaster, but its not part of a *steady decline.
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Nov 5, 2025, 5:00 PM
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He calculated off of 4 year moving averages win % wise. I’m too lazy to do the actual math, but Grok says it’s correct ish. That includes 2025.
There are problems. Everyone knows this, including Dabo. Well, nearly everyone. Do I know the problems? Nope. But could see potential concerns in 20-21. Manifested into likely concerns 22-23 and now are solid concerns. It could be one of several things. It could be two of several things. Or it could be all of those several things. I think Dabo can correct them and hope he will. I just know and have known it’s not one player. At all. And I truly hoped that his model was the way.
Note: MA trends could be up and there be problems. They could be down and there be no problems (though highly unlikely).
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Gridiron Giant [15601]
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Derp
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Nov 5, 2025, 6:47 PM
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Head Coach [928]
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Re: Derp
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Nov 5, 2025, 7:00 PM
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You do not understand moving averages. It does not surprise me. At all.
Just like the 2020 passing game you speak so highly of.
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CU Medallion [19111]
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Oh good Lord...Another windmill to tilt?***
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Game Changer [2089]
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Plot win % since 2018 and you will see there's been a steady decline
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Nov 5, 2025, 5:04 PM
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That's to be expected, though. 14-0 and undefeated seasons every single year are not sustainable. Our 6-year run from 2015-2020 was literally one of the best in college football history.
Replicating that every season shouldn't be anyone's expectations, though, unless you're only going to be happy with winning a national title every year in a sport with 136 teams, including nearly 70 in the Power 4.
Don't get me wrong, this season has been a huge disappointment and a failure.
However, last season's 10-4 season, which included an ACC Championship and a Playoff appearance, should be viewed as a success.
And I think that is the crux of the problem. Many members of our fan base will never be happy with seasons like last year again. They've seen us make four national championship appearances in five seasons, and now feel that anything less is disappointing.
That's not really how college football works, and that doesn't really align with Clemson's historical level of success. Prior to Dabo, we finished in the top 10 of the final AP Poll only six times in over 100 years. Dabo has already had 7 such seasons.
I don't know if Dabo will ever get us another national title, but I would argue he's far more likely to bring us back to the top than whoever we could possibly hire to replace him.
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Head Coach [928]
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Re: Plot win % since 2018 and you will see there's been a steady decline
Nov 5, 2025, 5:35 PM
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You are correct. In 2020-22 I was one of those. Cooled my expectations because it’s just not sustainable. Not every year.
I also cooled them because there were signs not as great days were ahead. Maybe some were clairvoyant, but the signs were there
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Associate AD [1072]
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Re: This season is a disaster, but its not part of a *steady decline.
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Nov 5, 2025, 5:05 PM
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I appreciate your fervor to defend coach and the program....but you can't really be that obtuse. The results and how they got there speak for themselves.
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Gridiron Giant [15601]
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Im actually not defending Dabo with this. Even though we havent seen a
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Nov 5, 2025, 6:52 PM
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“steady decline”, he needs to do much better.
This isn’t “obtuse” at all. Just factual data. I’m sorry if you can’t comprehend bud.
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Top TigerNet [32975]
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Re: This season is a disaster, but its not part of a *steady decline.
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Nov 5, 2025, 5:06 PM
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Game Changer [1804]
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The fact that you didnt even list this years record hahaha***
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Nov 5, 2025, 5:20 PM
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Gridiron Giant [15601]
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Did you read what I said? 2025 is a HUGE drop off.
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Nov 5, 2025, 6:50 PM
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But it’s not part of a trend; it’s an anomaly.
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Gridiron Giant [15601]
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Have you ever taken a math class or statistics maybe?
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Nov 5, 2025, 6:56 PM
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You can stop the nonsense trying to insult me.
All I’m doing is showing facts. If you think this doesn’t tell the tale, then I hope you can man up and debate instead of childish memes.
If you need help understanding how this does not show a “steady decline”, then let me know.
But again, this isn’t where we need to be, but it’s inarguably NOT a steady decline.
I look forward to an apology or a rebuttal of these numbers.
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Paw Master [16908]
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0 losses in 18. 1 loss in 19. 2 losses in 20. 3 losses 21. 3 losses 22.
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4 losses 23
4 losses 24
at least 6 losses in 25
THAT LOOKS LIKE A TREND!!!!
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Gridiron Giant [15601]
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Sigh.
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Nov 5, 2025, 6:58 PM
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Nobody is saying we haven’t dropped off since 2020.
However, we have NOT been seeing a steady decline since 2021.
It blows my mind how some guys don’t understand simple data.
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Head Coach [928]
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Re: Sigh.
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Nov 5, 2025, 7:25 PM
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A downward trend is not the same as a steady decline. Think stock market with trends. A slight uptick means just that: an uptick. But the TREND is a decline based on data.
We could further escalate the downward trend with some really tricky math: put in sos, postseason games and their difficulty, point differentials in wins and losses and the data would skew it even further.
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Clemson Icon [24847]
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Re: This season is a disaster, but its not part of a *steady decline.
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Nov 5, 2025, 5:09 PM
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Gridiron Giant [15601]
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Are you a liberal arts major?
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Nov 5, 2025, 6:59 PM
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Obviously math ain’t your thing.
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Ring of Honor [22102]
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Re: This season is a disaster, but its not part of a *steady decline.
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Maths is hard. I see a steady decline. Even in your numbers. Maybe a stats course is in order. More losses in those five years than the previous 10. Facts. Maths is hard.
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Game Changer [2061]
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Re: This season is a disaster, but its not part of a *steady decline.
Nov 5, 2025, 6:30 PM
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Again you're missing the point of "steady" decline
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Gridiron Giant [15601]
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Re: This season is a disaster, but its not part of a *steady decline.
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There was a dude named pheebo who posted some completely inaccurate math, trying to show we’ve been in a “steady decline” since 2021. His math was all screwed up. Either he doesn’t understand simple winning percentages, or his calculator is broken. While his bizarre winning percentage numbers showed a “steady decline”, his numbers were completely wrong for every subject year (2021-2024) he posted. Here are the actual numbers. We are talking about the last 4.75 years, what is being called 5 years. This is what pheebo and some other guys are referring to as far as a “steady decline”. 2021: 10-3, 0.769, 14th 2022: 11-3, 0.786, 13th. 2022 saw an increase from 2021 in both in wins and ranking. Obviously not a steady decline. 2023: 9-4, 0.692, 20th. 2023 saw a decrease in both wins and ranking from 2022. A one year decline and not a steady decline. 2024: 10-4, 0.714, 15th. 2024 saw an increase in both wins and ranking over 2023. Obviously not a decline. 2025: outside of the above. A steep decline. In one year. This year does not represent a trend. It’s an anomaly. We’ve averaged 10 wins per year since 2021. Our total wins have been 9th in the country. Is there where we want to be? No, of course not. But the point here is, 2025 is NOT part of a “steady decline”. Previous to this season we’ve gone up and down but never veered much either way from 10 wins and an average ranking of 15th. We went up in 2022, down in 2023, and up again in 2024. That’s not a steady decline. That’s a flat line trend. Of 10 wins. This season sucks. It’s sucks that we haven’t been a natty contender since 2020. But again, this season is the anomaly and not part of a steady decline.
Maybe they were looking at loses. 3 then 3 then 4 then 4 now 5 or more....
Steady decline....
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Top TigerNet [30994]
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Re: This season is a disaster, but its not part of a *steady decline.
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Nov 5, 2025, 5:34 PM
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Its been a decline no matter what some stats say. Its been obvious to those of us who know what's up. I am a Dabo supporter. I believe in him. It has been a steady decline though.
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Re: This season is a disaster, but its not part of a *steady decline.
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Nov 5, 2025, 5:35 PM
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The ones hollering about the sky falling and how Dabo has lost it are genuinely in their feelings about it.
It's fine. Let them jump around and raise a ruckus.
I will , having been a Clemson fan since Charlie Pell ...however . .steady as she goes. Things go up and things go down.
Those asking for Dabo's resignation and saying we are broken are the same people who push women and children out of lifeboats when there are plenty for everybody.
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Charlie Pell is a good example. He took over a CU team that hadn't even
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Nov 5, 2025, 6:17 PM
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been to a bowl game in, I forget how long. But I was there when we beat Jawjuh in 1977. I think it was the first time since World War I. My windshield wipers and radio antenna were broken off, as I had CU stickers on my car. The team had victory cigars and all that. Charlie made $40K a year. I hadn't thought about pushing women and children underwater, but now I'm reconsidering.
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Clemson Icon [24847]
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I'm not trying to be a d!ck about this. OK, that's a lie, I am. But I was
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Nov 5, 2025, 6:51 PM
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tutoring engineering majors in calculus before you were spermatozoa. In between bong hits. I'd run with this and have a field day, but it wouldn't be fair. Have a good evening, go Tigers!
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Wow. Thats bizarre. And you dont get simple math?
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Nov 5, 2025, 7:01 PM
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Here you go sparky
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Nov 5, 2025, 7:49 PM
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I added a trend line for you for free; mathematically do you know what a negative slope indicates? Arguing this vociferously over what has happened the last 5 years is stupid; we used to play for natties and now we gotta win 3 outta 4 just to make a bowl. That is what is relevant; there is no empirical way to argue that the program is not in decline. If you won’t take a calculus professor’s word for it I guess you also won’t take mine. I’m a financial analyst at a fortune 50 company BTW; I don’t understand math either.
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Re: Here you go sparky
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Nov 5, 2025, 8:22 PM
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Trust me, you won’t get through. But it is fun to show him how wrong he was, is, and will forever be.
1000% guarantee if he looked at the market and you tried to explain it to him he would just say “but it be goin up!”
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Re: Here you go sparky
Nov 5, 2025, 8:26 PM
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I would say something about candles and wicks, but he’d think we were talking about bath and body works
Plus I know about as much as the market as I do wimmens: enough to get myself in trouble
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Re: Here you go sparky
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Nov 5, 2025, 8:26 PM
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I would say something about candles and wicks, but he’d think we were talking about bath and body works
Plus I know about as much as the market as I do wimmens: enough to get myself in trouble
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Re: Here you go sparky
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Nov 5, 2025, 8:25 PM
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He's just being overtly literal about the phrase "steady decline" though ample data has been given. That is even more insufferable. He knows what everyone means.
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Re: Here you go sparky
Nov 5, 2025, 8:53 PM
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I honestly don’t think so. Seriously. I don’t think he gets trends. Though what he quoted, what this entire thread he created is about, was based on a trend.
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Re: Here you go sparky
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Nov 5, 2025, 8:55 PM
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I would argue that it was a steady decline since 2021 until this year- where all the lies we’ve been fed by OUR coaches have been proven out. Recruiting is down, development is non existent, Culture…. Yep we have one alright and it’s terrible. It seems as if the players are in the same bubble as our coaches and have heard how great everyone is so much that everyone in the program is appalled to even be asked a question about the failures. The only part of our Culture I see applicable is CULT.
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Have you ever met anyone you liked that
Nov 5, 2025, 9:16 PM
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used their job position as a means to oppose an indefensible argument on a sports message bored?
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You really were triggered by the most inert, bland, non-shade anyone has
Nov 5, 2025, 9:36 PM
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ever posted on tigernet. You’re more sensitive than an electron microscope. You should check with someone at your job and see if your health plan covers antidepressants.
Seriously if you get your feeling hurt that easily you really shouldn’t ever leave your house.
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Im serious man that was like 9 year old baby beech bull shirt***
Nov 5, 2025, 9:37 PM
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I mean Ive seen a bowl of gravy with thicker skin than you***
Nov 5, 2025, 9:38 PM
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How many enemies do you have on Tigernet sounds like a lot
Nov 5, 2025, 10:54 PM
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I mean 17 people ignoring you, ask the OP he'll tell you that's a trend. I honestly dont remember any previous interactions with you; I guess I made a bigger impact on you than you did on me.
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Yea, that's a problem area for most folks with low
Nov 5, 2025, 11:04 PM
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emotional IQ.
😂 Oh, I've got a coin purse of posters here that don't appreciate my calling them out. Nevermind their being Banned Scok's or posters that have dozens of posters on ignore. You like numbers. Have yins a look. Hey, PACIFIC BEACH TIGER® is a great example. He blocked me, forgot why and recently blocked me again all because I don't subscribe to his rage-trolls since our boys aren't performing well. But don't let that spoil your narrative. You seem to know all. I'd ask you, but I already know you'd agree.
BTW, the OP is Stanley. Maybe you don't know of Stanley, but if you're familiar with this particular Scok, you'd know he's only been banned a dozen times in the last 6 years....
Be well.
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Re: Yea, that's a problem area for most folks with low
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Nov 5, 2025, 11:48 PM
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Tell me more about this Stanley guy. Mikey claims he played two years for Clemson. But the funny part is he thinks I’m some clemsonbluejay guy.
I guess it’s like cheaters. It’s said that the one accusing the other of cheating in a marriage is usually the one cheating, or has the propensity to.
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Re: This season is a disaster, but its not part of a *steady decline.
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Nov 5, 2025, 8:46 PM
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Anyone who knows football can see there is a decline on the field despite the stats you present. The teams from 2020 to present look pitiful compared to any team they have played that have a pulse. Sad to watch.
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Orange Blooded [2138]
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No we're Free Falling this year, previous 3 steady decline****
Nov 5, 2025, 8:54 PM
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CU Medallion [20958]
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Did you research the teams Clemson beat the last four years
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Nov 5, 2025, 9:16 PM
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to determine what their win/loss records were?
I posted that on after week four (4) if you wish to take a look. Then you will really see how far Clemson football has declined in the past four years.
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Orange Blooded [2457]
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Re: Did you research the teams Clemson beat the last four years
Nov 6, 2025, 9:30 AM
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Exactly!!
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Hey Mikey! You still dont understand numbers and trends do you??
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Nov 5, 2025, 9:42 PM
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I’ve already educated you on how we’ve declined taking into account the variables of each class. It’s a staunch drop off of the 4 year MAs (if you understand what that means). You can continue to ignore real math if you’d like. You’re only making yourself look more like a fool.
Speaking of. Why don’t you explain to everyone here how our ONLY issue is that we don’t have a Quarterback. ……go on. Tell em.
I’ll wait.
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Orange Beast [6409]
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Re: Hey Mikey! You still dont understand numbers and trends do you??
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Nov 5, 2025, 11:30 PM
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Pheebo… i’m waiting on that quarterback answer too
lol….
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The trend line for losses over the last five years is going up.
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Nov 5, 2025, 11:37 PM
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This isn’t complicated.
We have also seen a decline in our record against ranked teams as well as power 4 teams.
Our recruiting rankings have also declined.
It’s weird how some of you try to argue against reality.
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Re: This season is a disaster, but its not part of a *steady decline.
Nov 6, 2025, 9:03 AM
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People believe what they want to believe. Some of these folks just looking for a reason to bash Dabo.
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Orange Blooded [2552]
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Re: This season is a disaster, but its not part of a *steady decline.
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Nov 6, 2025, 10:06 AM
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I think the decline opinion comes from losing when we have a schedule that has pretty much been mush. when you have just 2 losses, but those two losses happen to be the only genuinely good teams we have played it contributes to the opinion that we are declining.
People talked about of championship years in that we had pretty soft schedules that was making us look better than we were, However when we played the big boys that 2 times a year we always won convincingly.
In the so called declining years we began to struggle to win against mediocre unranked teams. Then we started losing to every ranked team we played and struggled to win against mediocre teams. Two losses became 3 and at least one of those was a game we NEVER should have lost even if the team had an off day. the bottom line is theat we failed the eye test...we did not look dominant and only played in a dominat fashion against teams that were really bad...kinda like when we played BC this year.
This year we total fell off the cliff and have lost to teams that are not very good at all and struggled to be competive with teams that are mid level or just down right lucky. My GT fan friends say they have their butt cheeks squeezed tight every game because they know their team has just had luck roll their way all season so far.
That is where the decline opinion comes from. It is not shown in the win loss record. It is shown by how the team has played even with wins.
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They've been good for a really, really long time.
Nov 6, 2025, 4:01 PM
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And now they aren't so good. But a lot of fans can't accept that. It's hard for them to live in the white space between "we were a playoff team last year" and "we're not even close this year," because there are no easy-to-digest answers there.
So they run to the safety of the "we saw this coming/told you so" herd, which is dubious on several levels.
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Re: This season is a disaster, but its not part of a *steady decline.
Nov 6, 2025, 4:52 PM
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